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Gavin, you're taking this issue to far. Aeroner ( think of him what you like ) just wrote an article, where he stated not to judge a party by the numbers. he didn't insult or belittle you or talked bad about your party, not once.

still you take this as an affront and put up a massive defense, where none is needed, because he didn't attack your party or you.

Dan read his article again he definately meant to insult us and is only escalating the situation:

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/for-the-last-time-who-the-f-cares--1419474/1/20">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/for-[..]/1/20

Where actually? I did read it again. I see some sarcasm about you stressing the number of members you have, but thats not insulting, and the rest is based on facts, not emotions. really, i know there is some history in fighting, but i see this not as part of a fight ..

The entire first paragraph is all insulting this party. Some sarcasm? Thats all it was was sarcastic and insulting remarks? Thats what he intended the article to be. He wants to escalate things.

They exaggerate about us mentioning out numbers all the time. Its ridiculous. They talk about our numbers more then we do.

Nothing was based on facts.

Gavin, you MUST change IMMEDIATLY your attitude. that's not one for PP and surely not for one which wanna run for prez. start to be a good politician and try to win without be hated by the other candidates.. and thier parties.

best of luck..

Im sorry about my attitude lately but im sick and tired of UZP being trashed by people. Im standing up for UZP and at this point I dont care what people think. They hated us before this theyll hate us after.

What Daniel said.

Gavin, these sorts of articles are only making things worse. I don't care about your reasoning, I don't care who started it, it needs to stop.

And also, I was a fan of UZ(S)P from the start. . .I know a lot of people who like you just as well. . .let's not blow this "everyone hates us" thing out of proportion.

Does that include Aeroners article or just mine Elianna? Cause I dont see any post in Aeroners.....

It goes for whoever wants to play the mature, and reasonable politician, Gavin. I'm not choosing sides. I'm on eIsrael's side. And this isn't good for eIsrael at all.

I agree but if you want to be the fair reasonable voice in this debate you should post in on his article as well. Its only fair. Also ignoring my reasoning and the whole reason for this in general isnt smart. If you dont know how this started how do you expect to end it?

I expect it to end not because whatever the problem is, is resolved, but rather because you and others see that it's just hurting eIsrael.

I expect people to put their differences aside, whatever they are. No matter who started this whole mess. I expect eIsraeli's to be reasonable.

I can't end this. You can. Your choice to do so, regardless of anyone else's, will speak volumes about your character.

Hey Daniel HaChawer, again he is mentioning that we, the members of United Zionist Party are numerous but of "bad quality", "We got the numbers but not the quality". Who the f*** ya’ll think you are to decide which member is of "good quality" and which one is not? Everyone was new to this game, or did you start at you current level (1😎? Is it really Gavin's and 70mD's fault that they put their pants on and worked their ass's off recruiting and rebuilding? Is that a reason why ya’ll should defame us? I am one of those "babies" Aeroner mentioned and you know what, when I joined eRepublik there was about 5 parties, and UZP was the one that I liked the most. I'm probably one of the lowest levels in UZP (13). We, United Zionist Party worked recruiting and rebuilding, and if you would be within us and attended our meetings, you'd see that our party is the most active. Again, you, Aeroner nor anyone else can define which member is of "good quality" so stick that to your head. Since it's obvious that UZP is the strongest party at this moment, all the other parties are scared and have decided to do negative campaigning, which is something I completely hate. Instead of proposing your ideas and recruiting you are working the hard on defaming us. When I say “you” it’s not specific it’s referring to all the people that are bashing to UZP. Also Aeroner worries too much about the past, he talks about how his party “lived” more than UZP and talks about how they have been here longer than us. I don’t give a F***. What matters to me and to UZP are the present and the future of eIsrael, not the past.

I tell you why i do not see any offence to you here:

His first paragraph:

But, before I bury this hatchet, I need to address some things. [introduction] First, UZP, I no u haz teh members, and i no u numbah one parteh. [sarcasm on your article "why UZP rules&quot😉 However, all that does not constitute good party. [true.] No offense [sic!], but you got those members because you were the only party created at that time [true.], and all our babies who had no idea what the f*ck to do went to your party. [he could have excluded, that some members of course joined for political reasons, but basically it is true] Whether they stay or not is up to you, but what I just said is a fact. [actually being deescalating] Don't bring up pointless arguments and stupid defenses to justify your own positions. [harsh, but not against UZP. also pointing to your last article, where you basically justify] You guys have a lot more going for you than that, don't mess it up. [no offense as well]

i also agree, that a good politican must stand slightly above this kind of fight. i know, you are not the only one out there, but in my opinion aeroner tried to start calming down, and i think it would be best to follow. (:

Daniel Ender: NOBODY spoke of quality of your members, nobody .. where is it written?? Yet you base all of your comment on this quality.
Also, there has been no UZP-bashing or whatsoever from Shalom Party, so please, keep quiet about it..

He referring to other comments I addressed in my previous articles that said UZP members where all n00bs and the party was low quality.

You see thinsg different then me Daniel but I dont think Aeroner wanted to calm things down. Best to of not written an article to begin with. I also still find most of that stuff offensive and not FACTS.

I come back to my original argument of people outside of the UZP no knowing squat about whats going on inside it.

We sent out countless messages in hebrew and English. 100s to get people to join and sign up on our forums. We put effort into getting these members they didnt just join because we where the largest party. That comment is undermining our efforts and I find it very offensive. Dan you wouldnt know this because your no in UZP and this is why Ive been saying all the people not in UZP have no reason to bash us.

In my Article "Why UZP is Awesome" I dont talk about our numbers I address OTHER PEOPLE talking about our numbers. Your mixing up the two. The Whole point of the previous article was to stop people from saying we are all just numbers and no substance. I said that in this article aswell which seems to be overlooked as usual. There was also a lot more in the article.

“First, UZP, I no u haz teh members, and i no u numbah one parteh. However, all that does not constitute good party. No offense, but you got those members because you were the only party created at that time, and all our babies who had no idea what the f*ck to do went to your party.”
“And although we don't have the members that you do, it's quality, not quantity.”
He doesn’t say “UZP members are of bad quality” but he does assume that we have a lot of members but quality is what matters meaning our members are not of good quality and theirs are.
“When I say “you” it’s not specific it’s referring to all the people that are bashing to UZP.” --- I advise you to reread what I write. I never said the word “Shalom” in all my response so please don’t tell me to remain quiet as I did nothing incorrect. The first part was addressed to you as you said you don’t view Aeroner’s article offensive, but my response is not directed to you as I said “When I say “you” it’s not specific it’s referring to all the people that are bashing to UZP.”

only one thing, because i REALLY need to sleep: Daniel Ender, i meant this passage of your article:
quote:
Since it's obvious that UZP is the strongest party at this moment, all the other parties are scared and have decided to do negative campaigning
/quote

since there is only one other party at the moment, that does scream "Shalom" very loud. Even if there were more parties, you generalize with "All the other parties" .. and then you complain about generalizing..

FINISHED! gn8 now (:

That was my only error and I really apologize, but If I'm not mistaken Shalom is now merged with Sababa?

PTOed by Sababa, actually. . .

Its a shame I wish the best for Shalom.

wow, just wow. alot of fighting amongst ourselves again. did we not learn anything from the beat down handed to us by Turkey? really, is this how it is going to be when we get our country back again? more whining, more crying, more fighing? how in the hell do you think we are ever going to have a country if we can not learn to play well together?
by the way, that is just my opinion. now you all have a blessed day and have a beer on me.

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@Elianna actually it wasn't a PTO and if you don't like hte situation you can replay on Daniel's post on Shalom's private forum

I guess you can't give someone advice in eIsrael anymore.

Also, Gavin, it seems like in this day and age, we're the bad guys. Oh sure, we can run in the Knesset and succeed, but OH NO THEY CHEATED!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

Don't you see how moronic this all is? My statements in your other article may have been equally as moronic, but the fact that I'm past that point of idiocy should say something, and if it doesn't...I'm sorry to say...it won't win you any points.

Me mentioning Soul was a mistake. I knew little about the situation but that was the most minor point ive made. You guys ignored all the main points ive brought up and mainly focused on the little thing I said about Soul.

I apologize though I didnt know the situation properly.

Hug it out? 😉

Voted.

Gentlemen, were all eisraeli, we were just conquered and need to rally and come back, set it aside for the moment