Why UZP Rules
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by Gavin Wax
Im so sick of hearing all these people try to belittle my party the, The United Zionist Party. Its time I address each and every one of you one by one.
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ogMaster I also very unhappy about what is happened to new Shalom. But pls read ISRguy comment, he is 100% right. Like it or not Shalom is gone and it is happened few weeks ago. Also new UZP, is not UZP of Sam Krakower, it is new aggressive noobish monster. We need chose side."
This comment pissed me off. Clearly this person has no idea what hes talking about. Sam Krakower has been inactive for awhile now and this party has been dying and falling apart. You call our party a joke when we are inactive and as soon as we start to get active organized and become the largest party in terms of members suddenly we are too "Aggressive." This party is in its prime and someone who isnt even in our party and never was has no right to say ANYTHING. Especially when there party (Shalom) is getting PTOed and has basically no active members. Who cares if we have new players?? Are we supposed to turn them away because they arent good enough for us? NO we bring them in and help them grow like every party in eIsrael should. Just because we have 3 times more members then you and even more high level members doesnt mean you need to diss us. Why dont you worry about rebuilding your own dead party instead of trying to Merge with Sababa to take control of the country.
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"gavin, little tip on the go, claiming you are the big dog around after we got wiped is not very wise. you know and i know. if sababa was present you couldn't make that statement. and if they were to reform sababa, you wouldn't say so.
also. recruitment should be done through media and perhaps some pm campaign but really now. hold off the steam will ya? chain shouts pm brezerk mode..common thats not the uzp i used to know.
keep it clean. "
Keep it clean? Lets talk about keeping it clean. lets talk about firing Maelyn the hardest worker eIsrael has ever seen and replacing her with someone completely inexperienced . lets talk about being a puppet of Sababa and giving them your entire cabinet so you can win the election. Replacing competent people with political assets and friends. Like making the MoD someone who wanted to disband the eIDF. Lets talk about backstabbing. Like when you go to someone telling them you want to form a coalition against Sababa and the very next day declare you are running with them.
And now we are bad people because we actively recruit?? Wow im shocked.
The UZP you used to know? You mean the one you left to join Shalom long before I was even playing?
Im sick of hearing this "Old UZP" "UZP I used to know" BLAH BLAH BLAH If it was so great whyd you all leave and join a new party. Like I said before and I said it again our party is in its prime. Activity wise and numbers. Someone from another party shouldnt say anything. No one inside our party is complaining not even the old school guys like "Sam Krakower"
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"No, Gavin; the reason why they haven't reformed is that someone doesn't get a free ride to party leadership and an easy shot at PTO, hence why many of the other parties are waiting until after PP elections to reform.
Also, they didn't take the forums, the biggest indicator of party activity. While you may have recruited a lot of members, how many, do you predict, will actually be active and loyal members to the party? How many do you think are only there so they have a voice in the upcoming elections?
Take things into perspective; it will save you in the long run. "
Another guy saying "Oh well you have a lot of member but none of them are active"
Yet again please tell me how do you know? Many of them are active and so what if there not all 100% active thats like it is with EVERY PARTY. Yet it seems only UZP gets crap for it.
Everything has been taken into perspective
More Members
More Activity
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Good
What am I not getting here that I need to be put into perspective?
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"I thought about going to UZP because of their old agenda, but after their joke topic in FXP, i decided that Shalom is the best"
Right..... What this guy is referring too Is a topic set up in FXP by one of the UZP's newest and very enthusiastic Hebrew Speakers. It was a topic saying to join the UZP. He got slaughtered by ex Sababa guys because he didnt know enough. Thats what apparently drove this guy "Not to come to UZP"
I hope you like it in Shalom errr Sababa? I forget which is which now. Ether way Im just glad UZP is not undergoing a coup detat.
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The UZP is very sorry we where the first party to gather enough gold to reform
We are sorry we have the most members
We are sorry we have new people in our party and are trying to help them
We are sorry for trying to revitalize the party
We are sorry where not good enough as the "Old UZP"
We are sorry for actively recruiting people
We are sorry for everything.... But not really though.
Truly yours,
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Way to go Gavin!!!!!!!
What are you not getting? My point, it seems.
More members 😕= good every single time. Sure, you may have numbers, but quality trumps quantity every time. Want proof? Take a look at IFM and Consolidation; rather small parties, but with some of the most influential people in eIsrael today.
I'm not belittling UZP; rather, I'm belittling your attitude in regards to how "well" you seem to be doing.
*awaits twisting of words and misinterpretations from Gavin*
Obviously Voted!
What attitude? Your comment was written before we even said anything.
Didnt consolidations Party president get Banned for Multis?
IFM died out when GGRyan left.
And what Ive been saying is we have members and activity and just because they are "n00bs" now doesnt mean they wont be "Robbie Lizzinis" in time.
Also Consolidation was inactive and dead forever. You guys just made a comeback this past election when UZP was also Dead and inactive.
You have this apparent attitude that UZP is better because you have a lot of people. I'm simply setting the record straight.
Yes, Soul was banned. Good job, you're bringing up an irrelevant point to discredit me. Let me give you a few questions:
Could Consolidation have ended when Soul was banned? Probably.
Did we? No.
Could we have ended due to the criticism we received from everyone? Probably.
Did we? No.
Why? Because despite the criticism, we still do good. We don't need to announce that we do good, or that we're awesome, because that's not what we're about.
And if that's what the UZP is about, then I feel sorry for you.
How were we inactive and dead, Gavin? Despite our small numbers, we STILL put people in the Knesset. Is that dead and inactive to you?
Robbie you're a fool.
You cannot judge the new party on our performance when we had a 2 clicker PP.
Not even someone as obviously idiotic as you would try to do that, surely?
The new UZP has members AND activity - something you chose to completely ignore in Gavins article.
My advice to you:
Get your facts right
Read an article before commenting on it
Stop trolling and get the hell off UZP articles
Go away and rot somewhere 😃
Oh, and Gavin; voted 😃
Speaking of getting facts straight, 70, you might want to read up on where I criticized the 2-clicking PP.
...Oh wait...
Also, who said I was criticizing UZP? You both seem to be making that assumption...a wrong assumption, mind you. I'm simply being critical of Gavin's statements. Nothing more, nothing less.
UZP is cool, don't get me wrong. I just can't stand inflated egos.
Um Robbie Lizzini you said our members our "bad quality" that we only have the numbers but not the quality when you don't realize how active UZP is because you are not in it. You judge us too much buddy you gotta change that attitude.
Let's all play nicely shall we - wouldn't want to escalate things unnecessarily 😃
lamo. but nice sign. 🙂
@70: I won't lie. Your comment pissed me off. But let's keep things civil:
If you have a problem with Robbie's comments, or anyone's comments, don't take a cheap shot at their intelligence. Argue your point, or politely bow out.
I want to believe you were joking, because these personal attacks, retaliations or not, are ridiculous.
Elianna Robbie has already personally insulted me many times over on IRC for this.
Vote! UZP is doing a great job.
Look, Gavin, although you're right in the article, SoulSalvage was banned unfairly, and Consolidation is a very good party.
Robbie, although quality does trump quantity every time, and, as I said, Consolidation is a very good party, there is quality in the UZP.
70m😨 Is it necessary to call Robbie obviously idiotic? He would in fact probably be on my top 10 list of smartest people in eIsrael.
@Gavin: Isn't that just a glorified way of saying, "He started it!"?
I'm not saying Robbie's perfect, I'm just saying personal insults need to stop. No matter who says them.
Well said Tarq.
Elianna: "Isn't that just a glorified way of saying, "He started it!"?
Totally agreed.
Also, the "aggressive noobish monster" comment was Bennychka, not Dogmaster.
yes benchyka was replying to dog master I hope people dont get confused. I left peoples names out for a reason.
Gavin, you rule.
no you rule lol
Voted.
GO UZP!
all of you, really? flaming? is that the MOST IMPORTANT thing we need right now? really?
My ePeen is bigger.
I take no sides in this petty issue and I am certainly apolitical. However, I enjoy Gavin's feisty enthusiasm, even if it's labeled as "aggressive". I'd rather be aggressive and enthusiastic than complacent and stagnant. However, there are better and more diplomatic ways to boast and sometimes what is merely implied is more powerful and intimidating than what is explained.
@ Elianna & Tarq - Im never serious 😃
But you have no idea how annoying that guy has been. It's like Sababa have their own trolling department now...
Please guys, just quit it. We don't troll your articles so please don't troll ours.
Agressive enthusiasm ftw 🙂
Well said.
So many arguments... I can't stand it. I'd join the UZP too, but it involves much fierce rivalry and hate to other parties as I see it (politics in general, not UZP).