The IRL cause of the Romanian-Hungarian war
HUN-Cimbye
I would like to inform my Indonesian friends about the IRL problems wich was the real cause of this war.
You can see on the map, a romanian region called Transylvania. This region originally belongs to Hungary, and Romanians occupied it in 1918. From this date Hungarians are the most hated in Transylvania (about 1.6 million Hungarians live there IRL).
Also you can see on the map "Slovakia" wich is IRL originally Hungarian region (Slovakia was founded in 1993 LOL 😃
), because of this reoccupied this territory in the Hungarian-Czech war.
Croatia belonged IRL to Hungary until 1920 (thats is why they are in ATLANTIS)
Burgenland (now Austria) was IRL Hungarian land until 1920
Vojdvina (now Serbia) was IRL Hungarian land until 1920
And these regions belonged to Hungary from the begining of the IRL Kingdom of Hungary from 896 to 1920.
The story of stealing these regions from Hungary (especially Romania):
Trianon Diktate
Was imposed against the wishes of Hungarians, and without any justification, as it was based on Romanian lies and propaganda.
- Transylvania, Eastern Hungary and part of Banat to Romania (31.4😵
- Southern Hungary Bacska (Vojvodina) and the rest of Banat to Yugoslavia (19.5😵
- Northern Highlands (Slovakia) and Carpathian Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia (19.2😵
- The Burgenland region to Austria
- Other small territories to Italy and Poland
- 63% of her population, and half of the Hungarian speaking population
- 1.5 million of these 3.5 million Hungarians were living right along the new borders.
- Cities of almost pure Hungarian population
- Irreplaceable historical monuments, cultural artifacts, churches, and educational and cultural institutions
- 90% of her natural resources, including
- 88% of timber
- 63% of arable land
- 65% of navigable water
- 95% of water power
- Fiume, a port city which was Hungary?s only outlet to sea
- 56% of industrial plants
- 85% of iron
- all gold and silver mines
- all salt deposits
- Hungary's army was limited to 35 000 volunteers. The navy and air force were disbanded.
- Reparations had to be pai😛
one part by May, 1921, the rest in 66 semiannual installments. - Hungary's livestock and coal was given away to her successor states.
- In comparison, Germany lost only 13% of her land, and Bulgaria, 8%.
The TREATY OF TRIANON was one of the cruelest, most absurd treaties ever, and the greatest tragedy in Hungary's 1000 year history.
The Romanians claimed that Transylvania rightfully belonged to their country, because, according to the theory of the Daco-Roman continuity, the ancestors of the Rumanians -Roman colonists- had been living in Transylvania from 106 BC to 275 AD However, the theory is not supported by history. Not only is there no archeological proof -remnants of roads or cities- pointing to the existence of a Daco-Roman civilization in Transylvania, but the Rumanians can?t bring evidence to their existence for almost a thousand years: from 275 AD to 1200, when their appearance in Transylvania is first mentioned. They ignored the fact that they had adopted the Latin alphabet only at the end of the eighteenth and the beginning of the nineteenth century, and have been called Wallachians by themselves and other nations prior to 1861.(Sisa, 214) Even without historical basis, the theory of Daco-Roman continuity proved extremely useful for political and propaganda purposes.
The Allied Powers didn't have much reason to reward Romania for its actions during World War I. It officially declared war on the Central Powers only in August 1916, during the great Russian offensive in which Russia broke through the Carpathian mountains. Romania therefore figured it would gain something without taking a great risk, by fighting alongside Russia. After three months of fighting it withdrew from war, because its capital, Bucharest had been occupied, and signed a separate peace treaty with the Central Powers, despite its promise not to do so. The other Allied Powers felt Romania could have held out longer, tying down some of the German and Austro-Hungarian troops. Despite these facts, the Allied Powers were quite willing to give Romania most of the land it coveted, as this would also ruin Hungary.
The Allied Powers most likely wouldn't have rewarded Romania with so much of Hungary's land if the Rumanian delegates had provided them with true information about the ethnographic situation in Transylvania. When asked how many Hungarians would be subjected to foreign rule if Transylvania was given to Rumania, they declared it would be around one million, although at least twice as many Hungarians were living in the area at that time. Bratianu managed to convince the Allies that the 1910 Hungarian census, which showed Transylvania's population as 44.7% Rumanian and 40.6 % Hungarian, was entirely false. After numerous "complicated calculations", he presented the Allied Powers the "actual data", which stated that 60.9 % of Transylvania's population was Rumanian, while only 24.5 % was Hungarian. In the same manner, he showed towns with almost pure Hungarian population as barely having any Hungarians. When the negotiations were over, Lloyd George even admitted that "at the time of the peace-negotiations we have been supplied from certain quarters with false data and it was upon the basis of this false data we decided of frontiers and races."
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Transylvaniaxxx
bölcs dolog itt szabdalni ezt a sebet?
Nem szabdalok én semmit, csak szeretném ha tudnák az indonézek, hogy valojában miért is tört ki ez a háború, és hogy támogassák az esetleges jövőbeli támadást és Erdély visszafoglalását
voted..
A seb a miénk, hadd szabdaljuk! Csak más ne szabdalja...
Biztos nagyon meggyőző a történelmi érvelés és jogcím annak a népnek az esetében, akik 1949-ig IRL holland gyarmatlakók voltak....
Majd megyünk segíteni nekik megszállni eHollandiát. 🙂
We have to mention here that Croatia and the other regions like Transilvania is a truly different story. The other mentioned regions was part of the Hungarian Kingdom with strong Hungarian population and hungarian administration system, but Croatia was a kind of co-state with his own population and culture just under the same king, it was a strong alliance not an occupied land. I think the croats never had anti-hungarian intentions and even now croats and hungarians are friendly with each-other.
Uh, I'm hungarian, but I don't know what the hell does this article's doing there...
Every nation have some historical conflicts with others, its not a specific hungarian issue. But, its a game...
Very well said. Trianon might have been the largest trunkating of a country in human history, but its not the only one. Also...Its about time we Hungarians realise Trianon was as much our own fault as others'.
Arról nem beszélve bazzeg hogy marhára bírom azokat akik sírnak trianon igazságtalansága miatt de simán visszakövetelnek egy olyan államot aminek lakossága mindössze 45%ban volt magyar. Mert ugyebár ha minket nyomnak el az igazságtalanság, ha nálunk élne milliószám román szerb horvát szlovák kisebbségben, az meg kussoljon gondolom.
"the largest trunkating"? Armenians, Kurds, Germany, Polish eastern territories, etc.
Good descriptions!
voted!
And if you are teaching our friends some history please tell them true facts. Most of those lands didnt even belong to us continuously...like between 1552 and 1686 🙂 Vojvodina, Croatia belonged to Turkey, Transsylvania belonged to no one, it was a more or less independent Turkish vassal state. We got it back only hundreds of years later. And mind you, Transsylvania didnt automatically belonged to us from 896...read some books about the fights our kings fought with the gyulas 🙂
Hm, na ja igazad van a kurdokkal meg örményekkel, voltak nagyobb szopóágak is.
But history still history and its great to know the history
When i chat it Hungary room, Magyars tell me much about this and ill give my country history too😁
Thanks and Voted
Transilvania was a hungarian terriitory for 300 years, when Hungary was the biggest agressor in Europe..
Romanians were in Transilvania since before 200 B.C. Hungarians were a nomad tribe somewhere in Asia then...
Lol this what they teach you in school?
Ok, I dont want to fight with hungarian and romanian nationalism and stupidity in one time, here. Its a two-front war🙂
Unsubscibe!
ITS A GAME I WANNA PLAY!!!!
Most komolyan srácok szabadítsuk fel emagyarországot és foglaljuk el(vissza) eerdélyt de ne trianon miatt. Ez egy játék, semmi köze a történelemhez, ahogy a román játékosoknak sincs köze trianonhoz.
I live in RL in Transilvania. I am a Hungarian and Romanians do not hate Hungarians more than Hungarians Romanians.
In 1918 when Transilvania was attached to Romania there were more Romanian inhabitans in the region than Hungarians.
This is just a game, and RL issues should not be mixed. You promote hatrade! Thumbs down!
You should delete the article.
Sebehmah, proof?
However 200bc we were somewhere near already. Some say we traveled for a few thousand years from the ural to where we are now. And we were ot agressors, we had a skilled army and we offered help for money of course, so we fought in all wars in europe. We were mercenairies.
BB-t idézném ehhez a témához, mert szerintem nagyon jól megfogalmazta a lényeget:
Ez a játék akár mit is teszünk vagy gondolunk szervesen kapcsolódik a valósághoz. ha nem így lenne, akkor ma nem Magyarországon lennénk vagy eMagyarországon, hanem valami teljesen fiktív országban.
A játékot a valóságról mintázták így pl a mai határvonalakat vették alapul. az IRL történelem alakulása hozta úgy hogy Kolozsvár vagy Pozony a játékban nem Magyarországhoz tartozik. Így igaz hogy itt nem volt Trianon, de az IRL történések levét isszuk közvetve.
A Felvidék megszerzése a játékban teljes mértékben igazolható volt a történelmi okokkal, ahogy a románok is történelmi és etnikai okokra hivatkoztak Moldova megszállásánál, amit egyesülésnek neveznek. Így mi miért is ne mondhatnánk hogy a Felvidék visszatért?
Semmivel sem vagyunk alsóbbrendűek más nemzeteknél, nem kéne a hazai politikának mindig mindenben az idegen érdekeket néznie.
Ezt vegyétek figyelembe. Köszönöm
szerintem se kéne a RL dolgokat idekerverni, a játék az maradjon csak játék
Is there any eRepublik cause for IRL stupidity, or IRL cause for eRepublik stupidity?
Teljesen egyetértek Thommohu-val.
Ennek a játéknak nem a valós problémákról kéne szólnia, arra ott a RL.
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I totally agree with Thommohu.
This game shouldn't be about real problems, for that, there is RL.
Unsubscribe.
Újjaknak: Moldávia bekebelezését hivatalosan a román kormány történelmi okokkal igazolta.
Akkor miért nem tehetnénk mi ugyanzezt?
ne süllyedjünk mi is az imperialista románok szintjére 🙂
És hiába hunytok szemet a RL problémákra azok itt is jelen vannak. Lás😛 Román-Magyar háború.
Szerintetek mi a francért ha nem a RL gyűlöletük miatt támadtak meg minket?
Értékes régióink nincsenek, az az egy high grain régió nekik nem oszt nem szoroz.
El lehet gondolkozni rajta
Sebahmah: Yeah-yeah..and ur the descendants of the Romans..so pathetic. When a nation doesn't have a history, they fabricate myths..I am trully sorry for u!
@Tamas
I wasn't unrespectfull.. i know you were mercenaries and i know that finish people are your realtives, i never challenged your involvement and importance in the panonic plain and also in history, but this guy here.. makes a mockery out of history and makes a bad name for hungarians.
@drisk i'm not going to get in this fight, i can tell you this: i never learned Spanish or Italian and i can read all the Italian and Spanish media..
You forget to mention that we lost more then 50% of our railway track.
And the real reason why we lost those teritory is because we forget to send alcohol and girls to Trianon. 🙁
The next part I am not able to tranlate to english sorry.
Burgenland is más történet. Eredetileg azt a területet el akarták felezni, az északi és déli szomszédaink közül, de szerencsére nem engedték, hogy nemzetünk ne legyen kijárata nyugat felé.
Duosduzpl:
Nem csak Burgenlandot akarták elcsatolni, hanem az egész nyugat-dunántult, mint Csehszlovák-jugoszláv korridort.
I am a Hungarian born in Romania - in real life. The majority of Romanians and Hungarians get along without any problem. But there are frustrated people in Hungary who never put a step in Transilvania to see how people live here and write beatching articles and talk about issues they do not face every day.
I do not want to see any more artciles written by spoiled brats who talk about things they do not know. I live among Romanians in real life and I see no hatred.
Inside this game I see more hatred and foul words from Hungarians than Romanians.
sebahmah: because you romanians stole words from these languages to proof your Daco-Romani crap theory.
Zoli honnan tudod, hogy nem voltam Erdélyben? 🙂
De igen is voltam párszor hosszabb időre is, és megtapasztaltam egyet s mást
eRomania attacked in August eHungary before resources where allocated hoping they will get some good regions. Instead they won regions without almost any resources.
And I do not forsee any peace as long as there are instigator people like you Cimbye. Insted of trying to end the war you just mix RL and eRepublik. Violance only generates more violance.
HUn-Cimbye
En mar lassan 28 eve itt lakom tehat azert tudom en is mirol beszelek
A Barátnőm apukája meg 52 évig élt Erdélyben és ő is tud pár dolgot, meg az egész család. Pedig Csíkszereda magyar többségű 🙂
Kolozsvári egyetemen is tanitott
Szal tudok eleget, köszi 😃
oh no.... its spam..
Junk...its RL issue, not erepublik issue...
damn junker.....!!
not voted please!!!
"Violance only generates more violance."
Voted. Respect.
Thommohu & others: Writer begin's the story with the following sentense:
"I would like to inform my Indonesian friends about the IRL problems wich was the real cause of this war."
Please translate this for yourself.
Amúgy meg ja, néhány issue kimaradt, de ha mindent leír akkor még holnap ilyenkor is ezt olvassuk.
shadowmancer: Its erep issue too, because because this argument attacked us the Romanians. I just told you the reason 🙂
rég visszakaptuk erdélyt, sőt, hozzácsapták romániát is...
az egészet úgy hívják: EU 😃
and also : ferenc puskas > george hagi lol 😁
Gildor:
Ez egy elhamarkodott mondat volt.
Ha így lenne akkor a román elnök nem mondaná azt, hogy a székelyek sosem fognak önrendelkezést kapni, a magyar is hivatalos nyelv lenne ott (pl a hivatalokban lehetne magyarul is intézkedni), de NEM! Mert az a hivatalos álláspontjuk, hogy románia az nemzetállam.....
HUN-Cimbye - szerintem kb. ugyanaz az oka annak, hogy itt megtámadtak és annak, hogy RL is problémák vannak a román-magyar kapcsolattal:
1. Szomszédos országok vagyunk
2. Ellenséges szövetségek oldalán harcolunk/harcoltunk
3. Románia szeret terjeszkedni
De ennek ellenére nem szabad összekeverni a rl háborúkat az in-game háborúkkal, mert nem ugyanaz a történelem van a ketto háta mögött.
Benne vagyok, hogy utáljuk itt is a románokat (végülis Mo. nagy része az övék) de nem szeretnék trianon miatt háborúzni az eRománokkal.
Az meg, hogy ok mivel indokolnak micsodát, mindegy szerintem - ha ok nem tudnak elszakadni a rl történelemtol, az nem jelenti azt, hogy nekünk is ragaszkodnunk kell hozzá.
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HUN-Cymbye - imo the reason is the same for their attack here and the RL Romanian-Hungarian relationship:
1. We are neighbour countries
2. We fought/fight by the side of hostile alliences
3. Romania likes expanding
But still, we mustn't mix rl wars with in-game wars, because there is a different history behind both.
I'm game for hating them (after all, they own the most of Hungary), but I woundn't like to fight wars with the eRomans because of trianon.
And I don't really care about their reasoning for anything - the thing that they can only think in rl history, doesn't mean that we should do it the same way.
Teljesen siralmas... MINDEN ország területét befolyásolta az IRL történelem nem csak a mienket! Ettől még nem jelenik meg ez máshol így pl a törököknél sem. Nevetséges ez az állandó múlton való siránkozás. Ez egy játék, ahová az emberek szórakozni jönnek és ismerkedni, többek között az általad annyira gyűlölt románokkal, franciákkal stb.