The immorality of not defending Japan
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Nagyzee
There is a very important topic that hasn't been discussed in our media yet, that being the US invasion of Japan and the issue of where we are standing on it.
The story in short is the following. The USA has been drawing up plans for months now about entering Asia and liberating (and/or renting and/or taking for themselves) the high iron regions of China and maybe India currently under PHOENIX occupation. The reasons are manifold. These regions are the engines of the Hungarian, Iranian and Indonesian economies and their loss would weaken these countries quite a lot. If the USA could keep one of these regions it would be a huge boost to their economy while scoring good points with the nations in the region and getting the fame of being liberators.
The USA have also got the support of China so there was only one little nation in the way, Japan. Japan is a PEACE nation that long sought to bring PEACE back to its roots as a defensive alliance and basically there is only one stain on their pedigree. That is this summer after serious threats they let Indonesia through Kyushu to attack the USA. The government agreeing to this has been voted out and the Japanese have sworn never to allow anyone through again. Thus when the Americans came knocking they were always turned down. That's why the USA decided to forcibly cut through Japan into mainland Asia.
So where do we stand on this? On one side we have the USA (with who we had an MPP because of war games) and indirectly China (our Sol ally) while on the other we have Japan with who we still have an active MPP with. Our government has declared neutrality on the issue and issued orders to fight in a training battle instead of Kyushu. This might very well be the most logical approach and in case of countries interests are quite often more important than morals still I felt I have to voice my opinion of this decision being immoral.
The approach of "both have helped us so we are staying neutral" is rather cynical. Because in this case as well there is an aggressor and there is a victim. Moreover when the real Indonesian invasion started Japan could and did support us fully while EDEN and the USA simply declared that other targets are more important (Croatia and Finland were under very heavy attacks) and that they won't send any help even if we are on the brink of annihilation. And they indeed didn't send any organized help even when Sabah and Peninsular Malaysia fell and the wall in Sarawak started rapidly decreasing. To top it off several American users, including high ranking ones were gloating and cheering at our demise.
To be honest I would have been very glad if Japan had let the USA through into Asia but alas they did not. They are a sovereign nation and the USA is violating that sovereignty with attacking them after their offer was turned down. And I myself can't support such an action even if it might be for the greater good. The Asian liberation tour of the USA is ironically starting with a hostile invasion of a non-aggressive nation and this fact will have a stain on it no matter how righteously they act later.
There's one tiny little detail I'd like to point out that bothers me even more. We didn't only stay out claiming neutrality in the conflict but our military orders contained a link to an article of the American president that details their reasons to attack. This shows that whoever issued the orders not only thinks that we should stay out but probably also thinks that the American invasion is justified. Call me an idealist (in fact I'm a weird mixture of an idealist and pragmatist😁
but I can't agree less with it being justified. If they manage to take Kyushu and start living up to their promises then they will have my support however this opening move I simply despise even though I understand why it's necessary for them and how it's needed for the liberation of Chinese and maybe Indian regions.
Yesterday I fought for Japan as that's what my honour and heart dictated to me. Today I'll fight for France to help their attempt of retaking an original region from Spain and you should all do so.🙂
Best regards,
Nagyzee
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We have an EDEN delegated MoD. Farewell to neutrality.
voted. Nagyzee, when i get home, i would like to have your opinion on the so-called 'neutral' government we have currently.
We fought for Japan. As not being member of TDM it was the obvious choice.
Fragreg
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I'll reserve my opinion on it for a few days to see how it works out. But it feels weird. I've known William Duncan for a few months somewhat and also SaraDroz for a few weeks and so far I had no reason not to trust them. I think they have good intentions and I'm 100% sure that they are qualified for their jobs.
What I find problematic is that getting acclimatized to a neutral country might not be that easy. People here have a different mindset, think differently of the game and so on. It's probably not easy to lead an EDEN country one day then get appointed as minister in a neutral country a day later and adjusting to it. One has to change his/her loyalties and so on. Let's see how it works out.
Also these appointments probably mean that no eMalaysian was good enough for the job and/or interested in taking these jobs which is quite disappointing and a big failure if it's true.
See if I ever fight in Malaysia again. I'll rather fight somewhere else, and I know many people in EDEN feel the same way to Malaysia right now
BTW, Indonesia is attacking you guys, yet you still try and be neutral. Pathetic.
@Spencer Magee
I fought for Canada and I will fight again if somebody attacks it ^.^
And I don't care that you will fight for us or not.
Spencer Magee, we fought for you in Ontario doing everything we could. When we were 150k away from being totally wiped off you were busy elsewhere.
Also you might want to consult SaraD's article for some insider information about how we were treated by EDEN.
Honestly, Vikta and his entire administration has lost me respect, and I don't care in the slightest that we are not to fight in Kyushu.
I fought in Kyushu yesterday, and I intend to fight where ever I see fit.
I not only fought in Kyushu, I berserked and fought ten times today with Q3s, in order to help eJapan out. This is a failure of the administration in my opinion. Malaysian obligations should be to their own defense first and regional stability second. Otherwise, neutrality will be damned and eMalaysia WILL be dragged into more incidents much like the Indonesian invasion. Didn't Japan help you during the Indonesian assault?
I also fought in Kyushu and I do not care that this may hurt my reputation in the eyes of the FUP or the TDM. I could not stand idly by (even if in the end my 300 damage didn't really amount to much in the 70k victory) and allow the USA to commit such an act. voted
Well, to make something clear while I consider not supporting Japan immoral it was the logical thing to do most probably. I wouldn't have liked to be the one who had to make this decision. Because there really weren't good decisions here.
So Sol should go against the will of eChina?
According to my knowledge China didn't inform Sol about this operation beforehand in any form. Also Sol didn't go against the will of eChina, it simply didn't take any position on this campaign.
Also Sol is an alliance/cooperation built more around principles and such. An invasion of Japan is not something Sol could support in my opinion even if it's for the "greater good".
Maybe EDEN should rethink the policy about Malesia.
Having MPP for wargames is a think.
Having MPP for a costly protection of Malesia that don't want even to cooperate for the good will of their own closest allies is another thing.
So it looks like Asia doesn't want our help at all. Yes we know you didn't ask for it but we thought we might as well try to do something to stop the spread of PEACE/Phoenix.
Ok fine Malaysia, I guess I won't be fighting against Indonesia anymore.
wow, we protect u from indonesia and in return get this?
goodbye to your EDEN allies malaysia
I really hope that EDEN doesn't sign any MPP's with Malaysia. I want to see them get destroyed by Indonesia 🙂
In reality, eJapan helped us more then EDEN ever had. Its a crime not to support eJapan.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/summation-and-emalaysia-honour-dictates1-1074032/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/summ[..]1/20
Some of you need to shut up and read this article. EDEN had their chance to grab us and thought we weren't important enough, perhaps.
Yeah, because EDEN did such an EXCELLENT job of "protecting" Malaysia before, amirite? No, wait, FRANCE did an excellent job of protecting Malaysia...you know, the SAME France that EDEN decided to piecemeal so Spain could perpetrate some REAL BS? Yeah.
@Nagyzee: you're the most reasonable e-moralist ever seen. I'll never cease to admire you. 🙂
lol @ all the trolls up there.
Eden allies? France came and protect us. China , AUstralia, Japan came too. i wonder where are lunasa, spencer magee and alessandro when romania came knocking...and when indonesia did again..Eden OR peace just failed to grasp that some people - just don't want to be their puppets.
You can't have your own opinion and please others at the same time. Some commenters here are complaining for not thinking the same as they do. World is not black and white, however.
Blessings!
I fought for Japan! 🙂
For everyone saying France came to defend you while EDEN did nothing:
http://ereptools.net/battles/info/id/8002" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/battles/info/id/800[..]/8002
@ Old Gregg
"And they indeed didn't send any organized help even when Sabah and Peninsular Malaysia fell and the wall in Sarawak started rapidly decreasing."
The linked statistic doesnt cunfute this.
Old Gregg, I will give some of the citizens in EDEN credit for fighting for us; however, the majority of EDEN damage was done by two clickers or others uninvolved with national armies; if any EDEN member army moved in to fight for us, we would have known about it. The EDEN sympathizers seem to expect that we become their puppet just because of our situation, but if your leaders going to treat us like dirt even when we were about to go forward with a plan that few people would have denied was srs bsns and would have helped EDEN immensely, then we aren't going to take it. As I said before, we laid the plans out and EDEN had the chance to grab us and never turn back, but apparently they thought Spain invading France was more important. If anything, be angry at shoot for pushing us over.
Old Gregg, only two clickers fought in Sarawak for the first 22 hours or so. Yes, their damage was also very important for our survival. But we didn't receive any *organized* EDEN help. The main battle was the one for Peninsular Malaysia, our allies who ordered their troops on our defence fought there mostly:
http://ereptools.net/battles/info/id/7997" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/battles/info/id/799[..]7997
The Sarawak battle started the latest out of the three thus that was on top. So what you see there is the damage of two-clickers who just chose the battle that was on top.
Japan+Malaysia=love forever
i accept it if all my platoon fought in Kysushu. I did not issue orders nor did anyone else, so they can do what they want.
As for help you say you never had. There are 300 Canadian Rangers that say "Hi".
Longshot47, are we talking past each other on purpose? I'm talking about the main Indonesian attack. Of course otherwise we received quite a lot of help, especially from Canada.
I looked up your fight history, Longshot47, and you did fight for Sarawak (presumably after PM fell?). I knew there were Canadians here during the war declaration, but I thought they were all in Croatia (and looking at the records for it, only the lower strength platoons were ordered to fight for us), so my mistake on that. However, the circumstances in which you were ordered almost appear to be an afterthought after Croatia had been secured, and don't change my perception a whole lot.
USA: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/please-help-malaysia-1-1056341/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/plea[..]1/20
Canada: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/please-help-malaysia--1056336/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/plea[..]/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/wars/show/1277" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/wars/show/12[..]1277
Look at who has your back there, EDEN nations. Way to turn your backs on your worthwhile friends.