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Whoo! Go Fae 😃

thanks for the list!

You are welcome.

Fae, can we also get the list of the congressmen who did not even vote? they need to be voted out too.

I'm working on it, I need to find the list of all congressional members first but once I do they too will be added.

I'd vote yes again, too.

Yes CC, that is the point I was trying to make. Good job.

That I weighed the merits and decided on a course of action I felt was best for our nation?

If Fae can't make you spin no one can!

No, That you would vote yes again.

It seems he voted yes based on the merits on the decided course of action that he felt was for the nation.

You know, this would have had a better time table if YOU FAEYAS HADN'T DECIDED TO POST SECRET INFORMATION.

You whine and complain about a time table that you brought forward. Seems a little hypocritical doesn't it?

"I measure things by the ends, not the means."

So then you oppose the release of lands which rightfully belong to China/India and support Phoenix imperialism and oppression?

Since, you know, it's all about the ends...

Exactly. I would vote yes again because I believe that under the circumstances, this was our best course of action.

The entire debate was sped up by your decision to release the information on IRC and in an article. I find it disturbing that still, you cannot admit your own involvement in this mess. No, instead it must be some grand conspiracy theory.

I voted yes then and I would vote yes today. I'm not sure where you get off just assuming that a majority do not support the move. Based on what information? Your own opinion? Dokomo overwhelmingly won the election. Your foh conspiracy drama is misinformed, there are about 20ish people who post on the foh forums that play this game. Hardly the 120+ in Godzilla, or 300 who voted for Dokomo.

In short, get over yourself. Everyone who disagrees with you is not some evil conspiring traitor. I realize my words won't have any affect on you, you're writing a propaganda piece and not concerned with facts. But I feel it has to be said. Too often lately, it seems like every time someone disagrees with someone else, one of those people is automagically labeled a traitor in some way. Part of life is accepting that people have different opinions than you, and trying to work with those people anyway.

Seriously. Most of the FoH who started playing the game with us have quit. At some point you are going to have to look at the actual numbers and accept that we're a lot fewer than you realize. We certainly don't have majority in congress. Start arguing with logic and reason and learn game mechanics if you want to get the results we get without having a majority. You'd be suprised how well it works.

FoH aren't a PTO, they (we) are citizens of Japan and are loyal to Japan. Not everyone on the FoH messageboard are a part of Japan, but those of us that are call this place home and are not a PTO. Just like everyone else here, we want Japan to prosper.

Voted!

Voted, even though I disagree slightly. The Horse has been beaten to death several times now, no use in continuing to bring it up.

Voted.

It is true that that the FoH faction within Congress, both Godzilla Party and in others only care for aiding their frineds in USA on a revenge mission against their enemies in Asia.

It is nothing to do with liberating asia as they continue to occupy South Korea and USA continues to occupy our home region of Kyushu.

They care nothing for eJapan except as a tool to aid the USA.

Both sides can keep arguing over this fact if need be but the citizens and voters of eJapan now know the truth from the actions of this group and not their fake words and rhetoric.

Roll on elections and say bye bye to the FoH clan as they move on to greener pastures.

eJapan will rise again!

Ten Thousand Years!

Congressmen who did NOT vote in the most important issue this season... and should be voted out immediately! Thanks for your agreement and assistance with this Fae!!

KITA Ikki - ISP
Reiji Mitsurgi - ISP
Demzon - Lolies
Kokos40 - TFC
Ryuunen - ISP
Tomoka Miyamae - SOS
Soulkeeper101 - TFC
MrHolland420 - Godzilla
Akki - SOS
Peter McGoon - ISP
Yonsil - Lolies

Call it abstaining Kizmet. I knew vote was happening, though I decided to abstain due to the fact which ever option we chose, we are going to take heat from either side.

Whether we side with Phoenix now, or side with America now, the consequence of the action will be the destruction of Japan, and creation of enemies which will want to get back at our country in future. I blame the past Minister of Foreign Affairs which put us in this position, however at the current time, neither side offers any benefit to our side, and neither will gain us any faithful ally in future.

It is also true that no1kevlin cares about nothing but his own political ambitions. He spouts endless amounts of rhetoric, but in the end it's all about him. It's too bad that TFC can't see how they are being used.

Also, Reiji voted yes.

Lets not confuse anyone CC, you would vote yes anytime Godzilla wanted you to vote yes. Or no anytime Godzilla wanted you to vote no. Gotta further the Godzilla agenda no matter what, right?

I will keep this list in mind when I'm voting....

Presidents don't usually consult Congress when undertaking a military action like retreating a region, but considering the vast political ramifications of this action, I think in this case he should've.

I'm glad he didn't, though. It was Japan's Congress that held eUSA back in the first place, months ago. I'm sure eChina's grateful that Emperor Dokomo did it, too.

I did vote yes.

I'd also like to suggest to Congress that you post your abstination rather than ignoring such an important vote. There's such a thing over in eUSA's Congress.

Oh Walorm you are a CARD.

Astra Kat G, he did consult Congress. He had a lengthy discussion about it as well as an unofficial vote and an official vote.

@Astra: Dokomo DID consult congress and had the majority backing him. Fae, Kevlin and the rest of the vocal minotiry just like to make noise for attention; in Fae's case because she is generally uneducated on game mechanics and doesn't actually understand the decisions and in Kevlin's case because he thinks it's good for him politically (it's not).

I am proud to stand up for my vote.

I also have no problem with this article. This is the proper way to utilize the democratic process. Citizens of eJapan will certainly judge this congress and by extension, the policies of the administration, in the way we all should; via the ballot box.

I would like to point out that I feel this congress has served the people of eJapan in the best manner possible. History shall be the judge, of course, and I believe that in the future, when this point in time is debated, it will be looked upon as the beginning of a secure and more prosperous East Asia.

If at all possible, I would like to see these voting records installed into the Library where it will not be lost in an article and follow-up comments. The record, minus the political editorial, is important and should be noted.

What can I say... It was not a decision I took in an instant.

I wouldn't label people - "voted for lending Kyushu => traitor". Given the current eWorld situation, I wanted eJapan to maintain at a consistent foreign policy. Siding with Eden is not an automatic fail, correct? I am sure that were there a different country where eUSA is right now, they would have acted similarly towards us.

lol I find it funny that Peter McGoon has been so outspoken over this issue yet he didn't even vote... Also I would like to see you run Japan with the same efficiency without Vorph on the economy, Reiji on the interior and KITA Ikki on the military issues... Go ahead, vote them out so eJapan can "prosper" - I dare you.

@ Kizmet If you read the debate thread, I think you will find my argument that liberating eChina is correct, but doing so as an independent eJapan is the best way to help eJapan in the long run. It puts me in the "No" group to retreating the region, even though I did not explicitly vote "NO." in the [vote] thread (which I missed).

Kizmet - Akki is currently with the NAP not SOS.

Akki is NAP 😃

Updated Kizmet, thanks for the list.

Whether the voters choose to interpret the votes for negatively or positively is up to them.

Simularly with how they view those who did not vote.

Thanks Fae for the free advertisement, I am proud to have contribute to free eChina even it was hard to lend Kyushu few days to the eUs. Now that its back to us, hospital and DF should be replace very soon !
Back to bussness eCitizen !!

I would personally vote in Ryuunen because I agree with his ideas.

Ph crap trolls!

Fae your general ignorance on most matters is preventing me from being overtly critical of you and this article. However, if you ever experienced an actual PTO you'd realize we are the furthest thing from it. A takeover isn't Chess, that explanation betrays the definition of the word "Takeover".

Also I can assure you eUS 2 clickers are like a herd of cattle, sometimes you can round them up, other times they just stampede.

You do realize that 'freeing china' was just propaganda right? Jeeze, people said I believed everything I was told, haha.

Nah, actually it wasn't cause they did get their regions back. Look at the map.

"You do realize that 'freeing china' was just propaganda right? Jeeze, people said I believed everything I was told, haha."

Then what was it for? Jeeze, conspiracy theories are awesome.

It's funny that kevlin is now claiming to be against FoH...I've seen some very interesting things in IRC that would suggest the opposite. No doubt they will come to light soon enough.

As for the article: Fayaes, I'm disappointed that you cannot admit your involvement in this messy affair. You posted confidential information in a public forum and are largely responsible for the apparent "rush" of the decisions. In spite of your childish meddling, Dokomo and his group have managed to turn our potential invasion by the US into a situation which benefits our country and our closests allies.

I'm even more disappointed in the Congress members who did not vote. It either shows a lack of activity, an inabililty to decide on important matters, or a lack of moral fibre.

Austrailians call ketchup dead horse I hear

I am a little ashamed, not of two clickers but by their nature kind of like a parent and a rowdy child. Of course anyone who doesn't know would assume that a territory we took is worth holding. I actually sat down and spammed our two clickers for about 3 hours informing them that we would actually like to loose that province as per our agreement. One of my principle arguments was the temporary nature cannot be called an occupation. I would also look forward to the end of war and the resumption of trade.