The Acacia War; Wrong wrong wrong
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SaraDroz
I know I haven't been that active recently and I am unlikely to become so again. I have ever followed the global events of erep from the shadows, as it were. I also still have various senior contacts in Eden that I still occasionaly chat to on msn and who keep me updated.
I was quite astonished when Acacia decided to invade eUK... I thought the aim was to liberate eIreland?? Well as a distraction I thought it can't hurt... but no, on on it went further into the mire... Frankly this war possibly the single biggest mistake eCanada has made since Derek Harland attacked eFrance. Let me explain why...
The History
After the North Amercan invasion by Peace GC (Phoenix as it is now) eHungary had an important resources base in Heliongjiang (Hello Kitty). After some stalls eUSA crossed into eAsia and liberated Karnataka which had been the resource base of eIndonesia. Then eSerbia did a lenghly swap through eTurkey and eIran etc to eventualy take Lionanang (Lion King),which eUSA had previously returned to eChina. eUSA was not strong enough to fight both these Phoenix giants alone in eAsia and the obvious answer was for an ally to cross over to eAsia and if possible one with MPPs against the Phoenix nations there. eCroatia was the best cadidate but after some close battles and a few mistakes this proved impossible. Instead a direct assault on eHungary was launched and Heliongjiang liberated by resistance war. There remained Lion King and then the final prize... eRussia itself. As you see ePoland has now crossed into eAsia and the wisdom of this long planned strategy is clear.
Global Strategy
Winning the greater war depends on controling more resources than Phonix, thereby depriving them of the means to attack us and basicly stopping them arming themselves. You don't have to a rocket scientist to work out that this means the regions in the north of eChina and southern eRussia are where the real balance of power must lie... Western Sibera is the ultimate region and taking this region will have destroyed alot of Phoenix war capability. eUK on the other hand has 1 high grain region (London). Quite frankly in terms of eworld resources it is a backwater. I read an article a while ago asking what will it take to finish the eUK war. The authors answer was EDEN... was never gonna happen, we've been playing a private agenda. The question that must be asked is why we were fighting in a backwater when our bro's were stomping over eRussia?
The Political Sphere
As a one time eUKer I know John Bartlett whom Acacia has spent so many words insulting. Truth is Bartlett was probably the best hope for eCanada to close the war with eUK, which would have gone a long way to securing our eastern border and perhaps added hope to closing the war with eFrance. Now I don't know if Acacia spoke to them about peace before attacking them... maybe he did. All I know is that Bartlett would have perhaps have had a chance of getting it through it Congress and would have been happy to talk peace. The supreme irony may have been that without knowing Acacia was insulting and attacking eCanadas friend. The question must be asked therefore if the Government explored the peace avenue first? Sadly I doubt they did...
The Economic Cost
Last time I spoke to Acacia I asked how much the war had cost so far. He replied aprox 800 gold. This must have risen well over the 1000g mark by now... What do we get for this? ZILCH and an angry eUK and eFrance! Acacia reports that business has picked up... sure it has but the Government could have spent a quarter of the money they have wasted on eUK on stockpiling for CAF and creating the same 'business buzz'. How long will it take us to replinish our reserves? Who knows...No wonder we are doing a bonds issue. I therefore ask that the accounts be shown to Congress.
The Upside? Military
It is clear now that time zones are essential in V2 war and our military and civilian population have performed superbly. Conversely it is now clear that innitiave is now more important than ever since the attacker choses the time zone. Acacia moans about eUK retreating and then attacking when they win... lol that is how we won! There are alot of lessons for the military to learn from these battles and I suggest combined Divisions should be first and civilian 'home guard' sections second.
Summary
"In short, to continue to attacking the United Faildom is to simply hand them our gold for no real good reason." (Acacia Mason). Bit late Acacia!!! It was a waste of money from the start!!! "The fact is, EDEN does not care about the United Faildom... Why did you waste eCanadas gold on worthless regions? "Further to this, in speaking with eCan business owners, stock is depleting, sales are brisk and there is a genuine optimism about business in the country again." Could have done that with a quarter the money and created a stockpile. Finaly we have this ultimate admission of mistake and I quote again "...we are continuously being asked to participate and spearhead more important EDEN operations. Why? cos this war is in reality a total waste of time and gold when we should be deep into eRussia with our bros and allies.
Don't get me wrong, I like Acacia. He is a great self publicist who will be writing lovely articles as he retreats regions later. As a strategist and economist though he has failed 110%. This Acacia War is in fact a classic self publicity promotion based on zero conception of strategy, worth, economy, or future defence. It was never winnable and totaly worthless. We should be way over in Russia with our friends and making peace with eUK and eFrance. Sadly it is likely we shall now fight to save our skin while our friends win the real war. I am sorry Acacia but on your term I must give the Cromwell verdict:
“You have been sat to long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of god, go!.”
Remember my words in future; here lies the end of eCanada.
Comments
"Could have done that with a quarter the money and created a stockpile" - but wouldn't have been nearly as fun and engaging for players. Btw, we were fighting in eastern eRussia with EDEN/Brolliance, a truly EPIC set of battles. I understand your sentiment, but disagree with the logic, the war has been good for eCanada; its global standing and economy, plus it has kept countless new players (and some old) active and involved in the game.
Same could have been done for a quarter of the cost.
Acacia's time in office has been the most fun ive had since joining eRepublik. Ive sold more in the last 2 weeks than the last 3 months, and even bought a new company that is running full speed ahead. Keep it up Acacia and we want WAR!!!
FUN it may be - wisdom it is not. Do not confuse the two. We could be having just as much fun in eRussia.
Ohai Sara, haven't seen you around
SaraDroz = boring old guard of eRepublik where Canada never does anything.......
Acacia = beginning of new guard where Canada is an active force and a fun place to be
ditto, Rolo
"I thought the aim was to liberate eIreland?" I believe the aim was to free high oil regions in Norway. You know: playing the big game for high ressources.😁
Oh Sara, I adore you.
Money is not the game unless you make it that way
Advice from someone too bored to play the game anymore? There's irony in them thar hills - Ditto, Rolo - hb741
Sadly these replies about 'fun' are gonna cost us soon defending eCanada when our allies want us in eRussia and are deeply engaged there. This war is may have been 'fun' but as for wisdom forget it. eCanada has gone for 'lulz' before common sense.
o/
Cost is relative. I would argue that the cost that Acacia has quoted in gold to launch the wars was more than recovered in generating wealth for citizens and business owners. The eCanadian economy is thriving! Not only that but eCanada is ON THE MAP as a military force to be reckoned with. eUK has to call in ALL of its allies to stop eCanada. Russia couldn't do it alone. War is an act of politics, and eCanada has always considered itself a political nation. Now we have a big stick to back up our politics with and the entirety of eRepublik knows it. It the battle of attrition for resources, Phoenix lost a high oil region and Phoenix's forces were divided which contributed to the fall of Russia's key regions. This is also a game, a game with no defined outcome for the winner. Acacia has provided eCanadians with a means to have fun at this game and pursue a road to victory where eCanadians can be proud of their military and economic accomplishments, political achievements coming out of this are still to be had (or lost) and this is fine by me.
Addy is right. Sara might be correct in the strictest terms of the dismal sciences, but the reality is that this war was the most fun we've had as a nation for months and months. In fact, I hope we get invaded because it'll make the game even more interesting. Fighting for allies is boring, fighting for Canada rules. Nuff said.
And yes, Sara, eCanada has rightly decided to put fun before common sense - this is a game, after all.
still you have do admit sara, as one brit to another, this is jolly good fun!
I joined this game to have 'fun'. If it got too serious I would probably quit. This war has kept me playing this game for a little while longer.
There is one greater killer of players other than PEACE and thats inactivity.
And here am I thinking that the other bad thing besides PEACE is PHOENIX.😁
lol Coda.
The thing that is worse than Phoenix or PEACE is actual peace - war games need WAR! - before the war my player ranking in Canada was approaching 200th - now I'm 307 - we've got about 100 players more with over 4500 XP points now living in eCanada - good job Acacia
hp741 raises an excellent point. There has been so much blue sky talk of a baby boom over the past year, Acacia has given us an "adoption boom" by making eCanada a fun place to be. "Move to eCanada, pop a cap in someone on the battlefield, troll a Brit in the meedya, stay a while." What more do you want?
Acacia o7
SaraDroz = boring old guard of eRepublik where Canada never does anything....... can't disagree with that at all. You old guard all talked about a baby boom, yet all you wanted to offer them was a chance to be a two clicker. Canadians are having fun, which is the point of any game. And as you can see above, if all 20 people in the UK want to invade... great...even more fun. Get with the program, or do us all a favour.....stay inactive.
eCan bumper sticker: "Lost my rank. Regained my pride!" I dropped a hundred spots or more, a good sign I see now. The thing about eRep is that it can be played so many ways, international politics being one avenue. Long-term strategy and diplomacy are a complex system here, but few except the top players and MoFA associates have a hand in this. The war with the UK was tangible for all players, and even if we do have to pay for it in the long run, there may be hidden gains that will make it worthwhile. eRep needs more flash in the pan to get us out of the V2 funk we were in for over a month.
Ok everyone is going on how they had fun. You won't be having fun when eUK returns the favor and takes a bunch of eCanada's regions with eFrance and whoever else decides to tag along. eUK's allies didn't offer up much, it was practically 1 on 1 until eFrance joined and when they did we got booted out of southern eUK and withdrew from the war and Acacia called victory (which it was not). Using common sense can be fun, like fighting eRussia not eUK. Not using common sense is gonna haunt us later when eUK comes knocking. This article is very well said Sara.
Osric, you weren't around last summer when we got wiped by PEACE, so you have no idea how fun it was. It was the single most entertaining period that I was around for in this game. It's been relatively boring ever since, so no, you don't know what you are talking about.
What Pimp said x9001
Of course it was fun for someone in UN, your party leader fought for the side that wiped us for so long. It's generally fun to win battles, losing them not so much.
Osric I can vouch for what Pimp is saying... I joined right before WW3 and then all of a sudden all hell broke loose, yet it was great fun to have everyone come together to fight when Canada wasn't even on the map anymore
"Of course it was fun for someone in UN, your party leader fought for the side that wiped us for so long. It's generally fun to win battles, losing them not so much."........only a total n00b could make such a statement!!! You are so uninformed, I'm just gonna let you go ahead and believe that you know what you are saying here. Especially the part about me being in the UN.
UN=Union National does it not? and does it not say your a member of Union National on your profile?
I believe the aim was to have some friggin fun. Mission accomplished.
Osric, chill. If my memory serves I was Canadian Empire back then and I still had a heolluva lotta fun--there's not some fracophone consipiracy here.
Personally, I agree with Sara; efficiency makes my clock tick and efficient this war was not. That and I'd really like to be able to trade with England and France again 😛
But putting personal preferences aside, I think this war was (and will continue to be) a positive experience. Plugson said it best:
"Long-term strategy and diplomacy are a complex system here, but few except the top players and MoFA associates have a hand in this. The war with the UK was tangible for all players"
This war may be foolish, this war may be inefficient, but at the end of the day this war provides the greatest gameplay good for the greatest number of gamers.
So everybody put on your war toques, loose the attack beavers, and get ready to give those Limey Bastards hell when they hop across the pond! 😉
Long Live the Mighty North
-Azzeriath
wow. Goodbye paragraphs 😛 I guess I should stop being surprised when something technical is crap in this game, lol
Your reference of a "business boom" sounds exciting for all eCanadians.....not
I would like to point out that the cost was 3-4x higher than quoted.
SaraD I respect you for very much but your anti-war policies may be fine and dandy in real life, but not in eRepublik. Keep the battles coming Acacia!
Looks like you're getting some voting help from friends in the UK
I would like to point out that when UK citizens (in RL or eRep) talk about the price of the war, it makes them look stupid.
Really.
Stupid.
This is the Right War, Acacia is the Right President, and this is the Right Time! RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT
+1 Sara
-1 Sara, war is fun, even if we got to defend ourself from an invasion. I prefer that a lot more then the boring, unactive crap that we went through the past few months. Acacia did a great job this month!
Clearly this old woman needs to get out more. 😛
Hooked on phonix
"The question that must be asked is why we were fighting in a backwater when our bro's were stomping over eRussia?"
First of all we were fighting for at least 5 days before the USA or anybody else attacked russia. Canada also beat russia when they interfered with the UK war. This war demonstrated the power of timezone warfare in V2, and also exposed russian weakness.
Our CP having the balls to lead the charge got the ball rolling. I doubt the russian campaign would have been so successful (or would even have happened) if not for the war with the UK.
And both the CAF, TCO and joined in the stomping of russia, we had open MPP's and it was simple. Do you think so little of us all?
Keynesian Economics, sir. We need war to keep aggregate demand and spending up. Circular flow keeps the economy growing. Keep fighting, Canada!
Omg thank you so so much for winning CP, Acacia. In addition to the UK sphere, I had fun flipping tiles in FER along side my American cousins and fellow Canucks. Strange that the author is unaware that so many of us were there. I guess that is because she wasn't....
point is Stelawrat we could be having just as much fun in the East... where we actualy have something to gain!
Go Sara!