Patti11- Response to ADSP supporting stewstoyc
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by patti11
Hey Australia,
As you all would have by now, the ADSP, the party I helped build from the ground up and was Party President of twice has decided to turn its back on me and its ideals, and support stewstoyc (aka scotywest, aka scott Mitchell, for new citizens he was banned twice) of the True Blue Party.
I'm sure this has come to a surprise for many of you, and it’s obvious to see why. Why has the ADSP turned its back on one of its own? Let me explain:
Last week I put in my nomination to run for the ADSP Prime Minister spot in the election. The way ADSP chooses its candidates is through a primary voting system first, much like the USA in Real Life. I was the only ADSP candidate to run, but the possibility of supporting Melchizedek Smith of the Australian Independents or scoty of TBP. While this is an argument in itself if this should take place, it happened and voting started 3 days ago.
Well as it happened, the ADSP of 300 members in game, only 20 people voted on the forum. The result turned out to be 7 for me, 7 for scoty and 6 for Mel. I thought I had won it on the grounds of common sense, and started speaking to people on IRC about finalising my cabinet. I then spoke to Son of Rambo, the ADSP's party president. SoR and I knew each other from a while ago, and we got on well. I asked him about the draw, and he said he withheld his vote, and will make the decision to support scoty.
To say the least I was very doubtful of this, I voted nearly straight away on the poll system and there was already a vote for scoty. Obviously I have no proof of this, so I let it slide. However, this is where it gets interesting. An ADSP member thought Mel was ADSP, and decided to vote for him. He believed that an ADSP candidate deserved to run, and he thought Mel would be a wise choice. He was obviously wrong on the matter, and asked to change his vote (the option to change your vote was unchecked by SoR). This person decided to post in the thread, asking to change his vote on the grounds of the misunderstanding, SoR promptly denied, citing that the vote was over and votes can't be changed.
I hope you have noticed the hypocrisy here. Didn't SoR say the vote was closed, and it can't be changed? He then decides to register his vote? I'll let you decide on that one.
The main thing is that I am very disappointed that an ADSP member doesn't get the opportunity to run for Prime Minister of this great country from his own party. If the candidate is suitable and is ready for the job, there should be no qualms about him running. I mean the idea for a party is to support others in it who believes they can change the country for the better, with the main core ideals each party member subscribes to. Scotty is right wing, and was even supported by a right wing party, the ANP. ADSP is left wing, and SoR has made a mockery of ADSP members and to himself for that matter, and I question if he subscribes to the ADSPs ideals, and if he doesn't he should resign as Party President.
I know SoR is going to argue that he wanted the 'best candidate for Australia'. That's the beauty about private voting, you can choose who you think will run the country best without anyone criticising you. However, being in a party means you support one another, and like I said if your party has a suitable candidate for the role of Prime Minister party members and the party president should do everything in his/her power to win that person the election. SoR is alienating a lot of people with his decision, and I once again question if he really believes what the rest of ADSP does.
Another thing that really bites me is the fact that ADSP will lose its 8 month streak of winning the CP elections lost without a fight. The ADSP has done so much for Australia, providing hospitals, a stable economy, a functioning military, our senate structure, the forums, Tasmania, Northern Territory, South Australia, a regional alliance and a solid relationship with Indonesia. SoR has ruined this legacy of great leaders (Cottus Arci 2 terms, Derek Apollyon, myself 2 terms, Tim09, Aussie Vegeta and the incumbent Ranger Bob) without a fight.
So what’s next for me?
I would still love to run for the Prime Minister seat, because I know I am capable of it again. I had a fantastic cabinet, with a fantastic Deputy Prime Minister in Xavier Griffith, and I am sad this is going to waste. I am in talks with the More Beer Party to request they put me forward, although nothing is set in stone. If I fail in gaining the opportunity to run, I would like to endorse Mel for Prime Minister. I know scoty well as he was my Deputy Prime Minister and no offense to him whatsoever, I don't think he is capable of doing the job. He is a great bloke and a hard worker, but when it comes down to the crunch time scoty isn't the man I would want making the big decisions. I'm sorry to say this but it’s the way I feel, and I respect scoty as a General Manager, a soldier and an Australian citizen and I hope he makes me eat my words if elected.
I just think politics in this country needs to stop sugar coating everything that is said, and cut to the crap and the truth needs to be told. While Mel obviously has the inexperience, never served in the executive government (the cabinet) he is highly intelligent and with the right personnel, will make the correct decisions. I wish both scoty and Mel the best of luck because they will both need it.
To the ADSP, I'll see you guys in around 2 weeks, when I run for Party President, and put things back to how they should be. I also resign from scoty's and Mel's cabinet, as I want to be the opposition next month, giving my honest opinions to how I see things.
Lastly, I urge this country to start being honest in how they feel about others and what people are doing. Actions should always be questioned, and you should say what you want to say, without sugar coating to be politically correct. My only request is you stay away from personal attacks. If this all happens, expect to see a better Australia, as conflict and arguments are what drive people to get involved, and to want to get their opinions heard.
Yours faithfully,
Patti11
Minister for Immigration, Customs and Security
Ex Prime Minister of Australia (2 terms)
Ex Deputy Prime Minister
Ex Minister for Defence
Ex Minister for Finance
Ex Minister for Industry
Ex Deputy Minister for Finance
Ex Deputy Minister for Industry
Ex ADSP Party President
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a good article, i await SoR' response, however in a party polotic sense it does seem quite an anomoly for your own party to endorse a candidate from an opposing party
Interesting....
Kinda Hypocritical..
There was no complaints when TBP.. ANP.. and other parties all supported Ranger Bob for his attempt at Presidency.. Why can't ADSP do the same?
Surely there not that stuck up and blind?
Well written Patti.
However I think it would be a good thing for a prime minister to not come from the ADSP for once. It's probably fair to say that a primary reason of ADSP's dominance in the PM elections is due to their party size; they have a lot of two-clickers.
Well written Patti and as the person who misplaced his vote on the misunderstanding, I apologise.
IMO, this shows that really, politics in this game comes down to a simple popularity contest, and makes me wonder why we even bother having different parties. Why not just merge them all together to make the Australian Party, and may the most popular candidate win?
Xavier, you're not the only on and I apologize as well. Because I'm a RL American I made the assumption that all candidates in a primary would be from my party (that's the way it's done here). I voted for Mel as well because I have some interaction with him and have read his posts and I respect him. That takes NOTHING away from Patti's qualifications or desirability as PM. Had I known Patti was the only member of my party in that primary, my vote definitely would have been for Patti! I feel terrible.
As a member of the ADSP I'm happy to show it my support, but I need to know that it does the same for its members. I guess I have a lot to think about.
Expect an article from me too on this...
I am not too politically inclined, nor am I even a member of ADSP. With that preface, I do find it odd that such a large party cannot find one of it's "own" to represent the party in the upcoming PM election.
@Xavier - I also feel that the politics is nothing more than a popularity contest. That is why there is so much dead weight in the senate - it's filled with citizens that have a bigger desire to win the election than the desire to actually fulfill their obligations, and the voters don't seem to mind.
This is why I can't really say anything good for politicians. They pull crap like this all the time.
@ William Shafer
Me the exception of course 😛
@Pre😛 I am not going to comment on other parties insider discussions but it seemed when ranger bob ran, there were no other worthy candidates. And what Xavier D said is perfectly true, parties arn't going for their ideals anymore, rather then the most popular person on IRC seems to get the nod nowadays (no offense to ranger, he actually was a great PM, his popularity was a bonus 😛 )
Wow stabbed in the back, that's politics for you, one minute your up then POW.
Very sad that your own party doesn't support you though.
Interesting read. My thoughts are that if Patti11 was to win the primary by one vote we would still see complaints, however.
I don't understand how something that bites you is the ADSP losing its winning streak of eight terms? If they're endorsing the winning candidate then how has the party lost the streak? Even so, it seems to me that in the current political enviroment of mixed party cabinets it's a really arbitrary issue to kick up a fuss about.
"The ADSP has done so much for Australia, providing hospitals, a stable economy, a functioning military, our senate structure, the forums, Tasmania, Northern Territory, South Australia, a regional alliance and a solid relationship with Indonesia."
Although I wasn't here for any of that, I don't know if you can attribute all of this to the ADSP. To say so is selfish and pretentious. Yes, you have a great party. No denial. But if you really cared for eAustralia (as in, running for President) then why exclude the work of all other parties? Maybe you didn't mean to, but that's how I interpreted it.
Furthermore, if you are such a great benefit to eAustralia (which you ARE saying by running for President in the first place) then why quit the cabinet and be 'opposition' to the elected representative of eAustralia? Maybe he won't be the 'real' elected President in your view (and I do agree, 20 vote primaries are pathetic but I await your changes in two weeks time when you win), but to oppose him would be to be selfish and opposing the people of eAustralia.
Your opinion seems far from honest with such beliefs, I find it hard to swallow much of what you're saying as anything but tantrum throwing. Sure, your article has some good points about the current political process. But I put emphasis on 'some'. Perhaps I'm reading this wrong. But that's my thoughts.
Thankyou for responding.
The central theme as I see it in your response is about your belief in the benefits of an opposition. I do agree that the Government certainly needs someone to be keeping it to account. Just as in real life, I believe the opposition is there for its namesake: oppose.
However, it remains my belief that with such a politically inactive community it's necessary that the Government be comprised of the best and the brightest of eAustralia - not the best and brightest of that party. Of course, as time progresses and eAustralia grows in size and participation, the practicality for an opposition will grow accordingly and perhaps soon we will see clearer differences between parties besides 'Orientation' on the main page of each (yes, I am aware there is a forum, but even then).
While certainly I would feel more comfortable with someone with your experience (and, on a side note, your beliefs) in the Cabinet, I acknowledge and, on reflection, respect your position to keep the eGovernment accountable. To that end, I wish you the best of luck. Personally, I hope you don't need the luck.
As an interested observer I thank you once more for responding to my concerns.
@banamoat: Im glad you got what I am trying to say and although I agree with you that cabinet should be best and the brightest, I'm glad you acknowledge my stance, and I hope for the sake of the nation, it is the correct one.
LONG LIVE PATTI11 PLEASE STAY ON EREPUBIC FOREVER
o by the way i think that certain party members should chosse there members
o by the way i think that certain party members should chosse there members
😁 you put the words right in my mouth, Jaybay123!
Another person listing off their accomplishments as if they're all that and more.... isn't anyone getting tired of it? It shows you done alot, but it doesn't show whether you did any good, what you achieved or how much effort you put in, imo it makes you look arrogant.
Patti11 you were, in considering all of Australia's PMs, about average. I would rather see what Scotty's got. He may not be the best either but lets check out all the talent. Voting for PM is about trying to find the best candidate no matter what party they come from, this isn't congress elections, deal with it.
Patti11 your being a hypocrite when you remember you were originally not going to support Tim09 when you were PP of ADSP, I know Cottus was the same, so if you even start on the not supporting your own party crap you know where to shove it.
Also Party's change Patti11, I mean sure you did overtime on ADSP but so did another half dozen or so people.
Ranbo probably should have held another election out of the top two only but it is his party and ultimately he has final say. Complain to him, not to the public, or message the ADSP members to rally support.
And lastly, Politics is about using various methods to reach a goal of betterment of the country, views of how this is done or what should be done can be different, you can have opposition and still work together, that's called being civilised.
CheeseBall
It seems to me that when a handful of more dedicated players from the various parties do not stick to their party ideals and promote opposing party candidates (as many have noted, like a popularity contest) it cheapens the game for the average eAustralian citizen who votes for their party but gets something completely different.
@Rambo, the bottom line, beside all of this is that you neglected to give an ADSP member the opportunity to run. period.
I think you should rename this the article "cheeseball gets really really mad"
"Tim and Ranger did a lot more internally, you were a lot more in the media and I commend you for that but I don't think you put as much in as you should have internally. Point being you weren't what could be called a great PM, a fair one imo but not a great one and I want to see if Scotty can be a great one."
I agree on ranger, but was he better then me? As for Tim name a couple of notable things he did. Were you even around our scene during my term or were you busy in the UK (serious question)?
"That's your party's decision and your opinion. I might agree that its always good to support a party member but how can you call a PP and party responsible if they don't back who they consider the best candidate?"
Well its possible to argue that the party did pick me over scoty but for arguments sack we will assume they didn't.
The thing is cheese, you would expect the PP of a party to support the party's ideals and want them implemented and included in how the country runs. scoty is right wing, ADSP is left. He has turned his back on the party and the left wing community to choose who he thinks is the best candidate, scoty. The point is, SoR should have chosen an ADSP member, as it is his duty to ADSP members, not to backstab us.
"The government in power was so unstable that it rocked, as in like a boat in harsh waters, fair statement. - Hmmm maybe I was vague or maybe I just ignored the intention of your words, sound familiar?"
Yeah sounds just like you
Your not getting
"Because you never had an issue with letting a member from another party run BEFORE and that was my point, you have a problem when its you though. That's whyI call it hypocrisy."
Call me an idiot but I am not following you here. I did have an issue with supporting another candidate (after I saw sense) and supported Tim, even though I didn't vote for him.
Feel free to ask Corny by the way if TBP would have even contemplated holding a vote between Patti/Mel/Scoty about who TBP was going to support...
oh... thats right... we don't need to ask Corny...
ABSOLUTELY ANYONE WOULD KNOW THAT TBP SUPPORTS THE TBP CANDIDATE...
how silly of me to think that ADSP might think like a party...
@cheese: I think we have argued this out enough, Ill agree to disagree with you, now get back to you HSC 😉
@AV: I couldn't agree more, except for the running again part
@ AV
'Feel free to ask Corny by the way if TBP would have even contemplated holding a vote between Patti/Mel/Scoty about who TBP was going to support...'
Why should I ask? I do have access to TBP forums as a TBP member...
'oh... thats right... we don't need to ask Corny...
ABSOLUTELY ANYONE WOULD KNOW THAT TBP SUPPORTS THE TBP CANDIDATE...
how silly of me to think that ADSP might think like a party...'
Actually that's not true we have had discussions about whether we want to run someone or back someone because we have a responsibility to Australia to pick a candidate who we feel is best for the job and similar beliefs don't always cover that. But that's our party's way. Your party has your own way of preliminary elections, stop sooking when you don't like the results and change the rules after the election not before just because it doesn't go your way.
Your in a party because you have similar views not because you all have the ability to run for CP...
'@cheese: I think we have argued this out enough, Ill agree to disagree with you, now get back to you HSC 😉'
Yeah the debate in this article has been exhausted. Wish me luck with my HSC 😛
good luck 🙂
I could not find the vote,
If I had found it I would have voted for Patti in our primary Because he is ADSP
I would have voted for stewstoyc in the election
We see people talking about how they despise politics because its nothing more than a popularity contest. Yet then we see other people in this same article talking about how they wanted to have an ADSP member running simply on the grounds that he was part of the ADSP. It would seem to me that people should start voting on the issues and how a prospected PM will lead the nation. And boo-hoo if the ADSP isn't going to win for a 9th straight time. Every nation both in RL and eRep needs a bit of change now and again. You need to bring new ideas in.
All I can say about this is "wow". I am impressed that some citizens care so much about the country. I am even more impressed that, despite the differences, it appears there has been a truce. This truly shows that the major parties (cheeseball, patti, son of rambo) going back and forth above - they are willing to put eAustralia above their own personal agenda.
There are some long comments above me.
Oh mighty Cottus, what say you?