Party politics - or the lack of?
Nagyzee
Hello everyone,
I'm sorry for not writing a goodbye article at the end of my presidency, but hey, I'm still here just in another position. And I don't have any intentions of leaving either. I hope you'll look back with fond memories on my 3 months of presidency and while neglecting a few important things you'll agree with me that we together have accomplished quite a lot. Anyhow thanks for your time, for working with me, helping me, criticizing me and so on.🙂
It was a fun time. And now on to the actual topic of my article.
While I was president I tried to interfere into party politics as less as possible. However now that I'm free I'd like to share with you my honest opinion about the political life and institutions of FRoSEA (and Malaysia before).
Let's start with the political institutions in a few words. Well, frankly, they are quite underdeveloped. We didn't go a long way in building extra stuff on the basics that the game provides by force. We have a forum and important proposals in congress cannot pass without discussions there but most congress members very rarely check the forums let alone participate in debates. Some of them didn't even register at the forum. Also we don't have a clear cut procedure for proposing laws and discussing them. It's quite arbitrary. The Ministry of Immigration is also a failure through and through as we have a few congress members who don't care about national security one single bit and just let everyone in. Apart from this the only things I could mention are the Senate and the primaries that have been created by users. The Senate is a nice concept and there is a lot of potential in it. Maybe appointment to the senate should be proposed by the president and voted on by the congress and next to the extra rights it gives on the forum it should function as a honorary title, too. And there are lots of other political institutions and similar things that could be created by the agreement and common will of the users but I wouldn't like to go into that now.
The main focus of this article is party politics. Or to be honest the lack of. The political life of Malaysia had always been dull and this tradition has continued into the union as well. Parties are built more upon friendships or people randomly choosing one than political views, ideals. Could you tell any significant difference between FUP and DAP for example? Hell, even telling what are their political programs and ideals is quite hard. We can know to an extent what they stand for mostly through the opinions of party members but cohesive party platforms are extremely rare. Remember the latest party manifesto of DAP? All a reader can infer from it is that we are for neutrality, for Sol, for transparent government and for increasing the number of users. Good for starters, but not much, right? The presidential campaign speeches were a lot better though, especially in the case of Badlands17. Now, those I can also call political platforms.
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Anyhow I think people can more or less infer that both FUP and DAP are center, center-left parties with very similar ideals about the country. Does anybody remember one single contested vote in the congress in the last few months? I don't. The main two parties essentially always agreed on the direction we should follow. We stand for the same policies roughly. Which means that these ideals, policies were dominant in the society and it doesn't even matter much whether DAP gets majority in congress or FUP. Neither could I tell why some eThais joined DAP while others FUP. Maybe them neither. But it's not their fault as there is little to distinguish these two parties. But then shouldn't we simply merge? Or alternatively shouldn't we try to distinguish ourselves more, finding easy to recognize political faces for both parties? Like how Hireshmont Vellos tried for MAP back then? And shouldn't people who are simply in these two parties because they are big stand up and show their political views, create their own parties?
And apart from DAP and FUP there is very little in the way of parties. We have a few not that serious parties representing e-religions. There's nothing wrong with these but they don't really have political goals. Then we have had UPP who tried to offer a more right wing choice to the country. Hats off to them for that but to be honest they always lacked the necessary numbers and most importantly think-tanks. And lately the party leadership has lost most of the control over the party, I think. SIM is also in debt with offering a party platform up until now. It also simply functions as a group of users.
The question I want to ask you is shouldn't we step over being in the same parties with friends, people we got to know and so on? Shouldn't we leave behind being in parties just to be in a group we like more? Shouldn't instead people organize themselves into parties around ideals, preferred policies and programs? We have a few dead parties with 1-2 members, these could be used to represent more diverse political interests and ideals. It doesn't even matter if we break down to more smaller parties. At least interests would be shown better then. And there could always be agreements and coalitions among parties allowing members of non-top 5 parties to run for congress, too. A few topics that would allow for diversification in politics and to kick off discussion:
- Centralist union with "assimilation" vs. a more federal union vs. separatist parties
- Related to this building out a population centre in Thailand vs. not doing it
- Active, regulative monetary policy vs. free monetary market without intervention
- Heavy govt. presence in business with state owned companies vs. only training companies vs. no presence (+ the idea of private contractors mixed in here)
- Different tax plans, policies for taxation
- Active social policy vs. no social programs vs. something inbetween
- Standard, more elitist military vs. a broader less standard military vs. no organized military
And probably there are several more. I'd like to ask people to try to position themselves and their parties in these topics and think about the results.
I'd also like to announce that I intend to run for party president. Probably at DAP, but we'll see. In my next article I'll outline my political platform and how I imagine my party in terms of party structure and such. Thanks for reading this very lengthy article.
Best regards,
Nagyzee
Comments
It would be a challenge for many people to leave their party and 'remould' themselves into a new party, especially when the person has had so much history with their former party. Also, reorganising means breaking up a tight knit group, which would be a challenge.
However, as we mature as a country, this is definitely the direction we must take, and entirely up to the collective persons' determination to follow through with it.
Good points, that are all the things we should take care of in order to improve our society or country 🙂
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Vikta, yes it's very hard to step out of one's current party and from the current party structure in general, too.
I'd gladly start my own party to help this restructuring process and I'm still thinking about it but my new party would be the 3rd (or 4th, dunno) centre party.😃 So it wouldn't help much.
Hahaha, so true, and I remember my "attack" on DAP with "ehhh, do you guys only stand for 4 things? No but serious, nice things...", at that moment I had a large desire for some Party Politics.
But a difference between FUP and DAP? FUP have changed names 4-6 times and FUP is an older party... Also, I have already spent some minutes to think that I could create a commie-party just for the lulz, but as I know how the commies in eSweden is treated I can't do it here, would be without respect...
"But a difference between FUP and DAP? FUP have changed names 4-6 times and FUP is an older party..."
These are not political differences. If these are the differences that first come to your mind then you are further illustrating my point.🙂
Okey... Political differences are rather hard to find, but one can look at the things which each party have done. MAP have you with your time as president + Badlands. FUP have had me and Vikta as presidents + that we have created most of the "outside eRep"-things such as IRC and forum as result. And also most organizations... One can say that if you can't find a difference in the politics, then try to figure out what each party have done, and is doing.
Hey, you are now using this article for campaigning.🙂 Several people have created several things, but party affiliation has very little to do with this. Especially because party membership is quite arbitrary. At least between DAP and FUP. It's many individuals' and groups' work and the common/shared ideals/policy of the two main parties (and some others') that made Malaysia (and later FRoSEA) successful. The dominant policies were never really questioned, challenged.
>"The Ministry of Immigration is also a failure through and through"
I can give you my 100% assurance that I will try as hard as possible to change that.
I wholeheartedly wish you much success. Too bad your ministry's success mostly depends on congress members willingness to cooperate. And getting 39/40 of them to cooperate is still not enough.🙁
@ Nicholas:
I have more updates for the Naughty List. Good luck as the new MoI.
It is true that the FUP and DAP are very similar policy-wise, but I'm not sure there's much that can be done about this; create artificial differences between us? I think this is just evidence of our smaller numbers and the way everyone feels the existing ways of doing things are pretty adequate.
I think it is a good thing that our top parties are similar. The last thing we need, should a crisis hit, is to be arguing based off of party affiliation.
My Response:
In reality, politics is just as much about identity (personalities, leadership styles, etc.) as it is about administrative and economic preferences and policies.
As we get larger and more mature (I think Badlands17 correctly said, being small has something to do with it) there will be more "critical mass" behind certain ideas such as Jack Roberts' Thai nationalist platform. This should be allowed to develop naturally - and perhaps your article is paving the way to welcome this natural progression in the future (or maybe you're setting the stage to launch such a party yourself?)
Finally - I think the biggest mantra across our union is the "commitment to neutrality" which I think means many things to many people and the different applications of this doctrine may become a source of debate.
I may write an article about this after the PP elections.
nicholas2000, I think different ideas / programs surfacing are not a weakness but a strength as long as we keep constructive and open to compromises. It's not healthy if the most popular ideals are not even challenged, ever.
Also in some of the topics I mentioned at the end of my article there are differences surfacing, they are just held within parties. And it makes it *extremely* hard to guess how supported each idea is. The discussions about military reform lead to nowhere partly because of this. Also I hear from more and more people that the state should engage in business a lot more and open weapon companies to produce weapons for the military. Reminds me of Hireshmont's socialist approach. But then wouldn't it be better if like-minded people formed a socialist party? And so on.
There are differences between us, they are just not well articulated as they are lost in the mainstream of FUP and DAP. This goes for Badlands17 as well.🙂 In some of the topics I mentioned one option has dominant support. In some others we are pretty divided and more than one option has popularity. It's just hard to notice at first.
"or maybe you're setting the stage to launch such a party yourself?"
NAR, I would be, it's just that going by my views I'm a centrist and my ideals in most topics (though not all) are very close or identical to DAP's and FUP's mainstream. I don't want to sound full of myself but that's no coincidence as I've had a big influence on the route Malaysia took.
In essence if I formed a party it would just be the n+1st centrist party. Only difference is that I'd preferably be in an outspokenly federalist and actively politicking party that would strive for building out more characteristic political institutions. Taking this into account it might be better if I tried to "push" one of the existing centrist parties in this direction.
However the problem is that probably nobody will be "brave" enough to take the first step and leave his party behind for one that is closer to him/her in ideals. Sometimes I think best would be burning DAP and FUP to the ground and forming new parties from the currently abandoned ones along ideals, political platforms. Then everyone would start from zero.😃 Also DAP and FUP have both run their courses...
Or we can fight over whether people from the oldest or from the biggest party of Malaysia can give more yes votes on the proposals of our de facto coalition government. Election races except for pushing out illegitimate candidates are not much more than competition of our groups' egos.
Btw the biggest roadblock (apart from tearing down the current party structures) in reforming our political life is imho that there are lots of people who are largely apolitical. They'd keep voting and skew the results without having any political opinions themselves.
I think the majority just join DAP because it is bigger, and therefore easier to obtain votes in it. The last congressional elections of the FUP culminated in awkward excess voting for a few people, and a grave lack of votes for the rest of the runners. There's almost no difference with FUP and DAP, so if "burning them down" would result in some more interesting parties and events, I'd be all for it. Right now it's kind of like general consent and haphazard party lines voting.
Unfortunately parties cannot just be made undone. Someone will pick up the abandoned party and use it's leftovers.
"I think different ideas / programs surfacing are not a weakness but a strength as long as we keep constructive and open to compromises. It's not healthy if the most popular ideals are not even challenged, ever."
Did you ever consider that everyone agrees with the most popular ideals?
I view this as a symbol that we are moving in the right direction, if everyone agrees with what we are doing.
i read this 26 days later..and after the tight congressional and presidential elections - i think Nagyzee's wish came true. LoL.