Naša strana úvod (Our Party's Introduction)
Day 566, 10:10
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by Top Gun
English
Greetings Slovakia's citizens.
Some of you may have noticed the arrival of members of our group from Ireland.
Allow us to introduce ourselves.
We are a group of citizens who hold a belief that communism can work in the simplistic economy of eRepublik.We used to represent our views in our Native Ireland until the last presidential election,where despite a large alliance of parties,we lost to the party in power.
And so,being the 5th smallest party in Ireland meant we weren't going to make a difference very quickly.
So we looked abroad for nations in need,where communism can work.
We found Slovakia as a suitable country.
The economy is poor,the media is empty and forums and communication is non existent.
Even the president is dying,a symbolic fact.
We want to change Slovakia,we want to fix it and improve it.
We want to get the Slovak public active again and bring Slovakia back onto the world's stage.
We have already started this process with the foundation of the first food commune,and setting up National Forums.
We urge you not to be afraid but to assist us in growing Slovakia into the nation it should be.
More information on our work will be provided shortly,this is merely an introduction.
Thank you for your time.
The Slovakian Communist Party
Slovenský
Pozdravujeme slovenských občanov!
Niektorí z vás iste zaznamenali príchod členov našej skupiny z Írska.
Dovoľte sa nám predstaviť.
Sme skupina občanov, ktorí majú presvedčenie, že komunizmus môže fungovať v systéme hospodárstva eRepubliky.
Reprezentovali sme naše názory u nás doma v Írsku až do posledných prezidentských voľbách, kedy aj napriek veľkej aliancii strán, sme prišli o politickú moc.
Stali sme sa teraz doma 5. najmenšou stranou v Írsku a zrejme tomu dlhšie ani nebude inak.
Takže sme sa porozhliadli v zahraničí na národy, ktoré potrebujú pomoc a rozvoj a kde by komunizmus mohol fungovať.
Našli sme Slovensko ako vhodnú krajinu.
Ekonomika je zlá, médií mlčia a fóra či komunikácia neexistujú.
Dokonca aj prezident zomiera, symbolický fakt.
Chceme zmeniť Slovensko, chceme ho vylepšiť.
Chceme sa dostať do popredia slovenskej verejnosti a priviesť späť Slovensko na svetovú scénu.
Už sme začali tento proces so založením prvej potravinovej obce a zriadenie Národného fóra.
Žiadame Vás a prosíme, nebojte sa nám pomáhať, pomôžte Slovensku rásť.
Viac informácií o našej práci sa dozviete v krátkom čase, toto je len úvod.
Ďakujeme Vám za Váš čas.
Slovenská komunistická strana
Greetings Slovakia's citizens.
Some of you may have noticed the arrival of members of our group from Ireland.
Allow us to introduce ourselves.
We are a group of citizens who hold a belief that communism can work in the simplistic economy of eRepublik.We used to represent our views in our Native Ireland until the last presidential election,where despite a large alliance of parties,we lost to the party in power.
And so,being the 5th smallest party in Ireland meant we weren't going to make a difference very quickly.
So we looked abroad for nations in need,where communism can work.
We found Slovakia as a suitable country.
The economy is poor,the media is empty and forums and communication is non existent.
Even the president is dying,a symbolic fact.
We want to change Slovakia,we want to fix it and improve it.
We want to get the Slovak public active again and bring Slovakia back onto the world's stage.
We have already started this process with the foundation of the first food commune,and setting up National Forums.
We urge you not to be afraid but to assist us in growing Slovakia into the nation it should be.
More information on our work will be provided shortly,this is merely an introduction.
Thank you for your time.
The Slovakian Communist Party
Slovenský
Pozdravujeme slovenských občanov!
Niektorí z vás iste zaznamenali príchod členov našej skupiny z Írska.
Dovoľte sa nám predstaviť.
Sme skupina občanov, ktorí majú presvedčenie, že komunizmus môže fungovať v systéme hospodárstva eRepubliky.
Reprezentovali sme naše názory u nás doma v Írsku až do posledných prezidentských voľbách, kedy aj napriek veľkej aliancii strán, sme prišli o politickú moc.
Stali sme sa teraz doma 5. najmenšou stranou v Írsku a zrejme tomu dlhšie ani nebude inak.
Takže sme sa porozhliadli v zahraničí na národy, ktoré potrebujú pomoc a rozvoj a kde by komunizmus mohol fungovať.
Našli sme Slovensko ako vhodnú krajinu.
Ekonomika je zlá, médií mlčia a fóra či komunikácia neexistujú.
Dokonca aj prezident zomiera, symbolický fakt.
Chceme zmeniť Slovensko, chceme ho vylepšiť.
Chceme sa dostať do popredia slovenskej verejnosti a priviesť späť Slovensko na svetovú scénu.
Už sme začali tento proces so založením prvej potravinovej obce a zriadenie Národného fóra.
Žiadame Vás a prosíme, nebojte sa nám pomáhať, pomôžte Slovensku rásť.
Viac informácií o našej práci sa dozviete v krátkom čase, toto je len úvod.
Ďakujeme Vám za Váš čas.
Slovenská komunistická strana
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Hopefully you'll bring back eSlovakia to life.
dúfam, že tam nie sú maďari XD
Škoda, že sme vás všechny v 89 nezavřeli do ZOO. Better dead than read.
No celkem by mě zajímalo, kde je ta jejich slavná strana, asi jí ještě nestihli ukráct (pardon znárodnit). Kdepak udělali soudruzi z NDR chybu???
English :
I will be joing you soon to help eSlovakia build their eNation !
Slovak :
Budem joing Vás eSlovakia pomáhať budovať ich enation!
Go away, please. We in our country have just enough of socialists of all kinds. Both RL and Erepublik.
Sorry, But I believe we have the right to go wherewever we want without you forcing us to leave. I dislike people who are bigoted towards communists for no reason.
Thanks to all supporters out there. Baci, I hope that we can have a healthy debate about this, and not resort to name calling or mudslinging. If we can't convince you, we'll still be happy to include you in the political process. We want true communism, and that means that we support both equality and freedom. Slovakia will prosper.
Mannimarco: Yes, and we have right to do whatever we want with our e-property (companies and labour) with no coercion from state - taxes (and in RL also theft and murdering, like man on you avatar did). I am afraid that to build comunism you will have to raise tases. (if not, you can start creating your visions without any political activity)
Vilien: "I hope that we can have a healthy debate about this" - well, actually, if we held principles of communistic "ethics", we couldnt. In comunism, everyone owns everything - therefore, you cannot do anything with your body (or anything else), if all 6 billion people wont agree with it. Problem is, that even to ask those 6 billion people you need to use your body. And so, if there was comunism, all people would die in few minutes. Just by writing into this forum and supporting comunism you are in contradiction with yourself, because you are using your body and computer without other peoples permission.
"If we can't convince you, we'll still be happy to include you in the political process." - Lol. I remember what comunists in our country did. Those who didnt agree were put into prison and executed.
"We want true communism" - By saying this you are in contradiction with yourself (as I explained).
"and that means that we support both equality and freedom" - If equality means material equality, unfortunatly, you can only support one of them. We in Slovakia chose freedom.
"Slovakia will prosper." - Yes it will, if you leave.
You're being rude and you seem to forget that communism and Stalinism are too different things.
What you are talking about is stalinsim, we are not stalinist.
And in eRepublik, none of the things you said happened. You forget this is a game, where real life history newver happened.
Mannimarco: so taxes arent included in this game? Or you arent going to raise taxes?
We are going to raise taxes.
Mannimarco: Yes, and by that you are breaking our rights.
Baci, there aren't six billion people in Slovakia, and no one needs to "use your body". Your statement makes no sense. Communism supports cooperation and equality between members of society. I see no reason for everyone to drop dead simply because we work to provide each other with our material needs. Please, use logic.
Baci,please don't associate us with anything that happened in real life.
All that can happen in erepublik is state controlled industry,no exploitation,no forced loss of right etc.
The free market is killing Slovakia,and the government is a shambles.
Your new citizens are barely scraping by,and there is hardly any offers for skilled people in the country.
There are no leaders here,merely people that click work and train everyday.
Your the only nation without a forum,or without any articles in the media.
We want to revive Slovakia,we want to build relations with other countries,have a real military,and an economy that supports it's citizens.
We fully understand why you may be suspicious of a communist group,but erepublik is a simplified GAME and communism happens to work in eRepublik very well for nations of Slovakia's size.
We understand you dislike groups arriving here,after the previous governments messing around and damaging Slovakia,but we are here to stay,we are investing in the economy and putting time and effort into building a community.
We hope you can appreciate that and see past your pre-conceived suspicions.
I do not see the problem with communism. Your party can create an organisation, where all members of your party will contribute all they have and the money will be redristributed back at your will. You can create company, you can donate to NBS, you can give every member equal salary. There is no problem doing this in your privacy. You, however, are not allowed to force someone to contribute. If you will even try to do this, I will take every effort to cancel you.
And for Top gun, I thought that as a manager of the company, you will be able to understand that you cannot pay the same salary to everyone. I really hope you guyz just got crazy and do not even think that this can be once a reality.
Vilien: You are forgetting logic. If you are advocate of comunism in erepublik, we must come from real ideas of comunism, which, if were hold, would cause all people to die, as I explained (read it 10 times carefully).
You absolutely dont need comunism and raising taxes for cooperation. In fact, comunism and taxes are DESTROYING cooperation between people.
No offence intended, Ohio, but I don't think you understand how the commune works. Everyone is paid the same, and we put up our product on the market for under the amount that is paid, so people keep the goods that they make.
Baci, people can't die in eRepublik. That invalidates your arguement.
Ohio: The plan is for citizens to be able to work in communes to produce the goods that they need. The state will ideally provide food for all people (which is quite cheap), and if citizens need something else, they'd work in a separate commune. For example, if you need moving tickets, you'd work in a ticket company. You're right, we can't force you do such a thing and we don't want to.
Baci: You have yet to show how Communism magically causes people to die. You're just making stuff up.
The free market is killing Slovakia - Not the free market is killing us, but the low population (caused mainly because the work/train pattern of this game as you said)
Your new citizens are barely scraping by - Sociálna poisťovňa is at help. (They distribute interest-free loans)
There are no leaders here - we are the community of equals - noone is the leader and everyone is (sounds like communism?)
Your the only nation without a forum - just an evidence that you do not know nothing about Slovakia, you just come and concluded you are needed.
communism happens to work in eRepublik very well for nations - if so, go and spread communism in other states first. Then come.
Ohio, like we said, there is no Slovakian forum. Your argument doesn't change that. We have come to Slovakia to try and implement our ideas peacefully. This is well within our rights as citizens.
Mannimarco - the difference between us is where you see the equality. You say, that if someone creates 10 food, he should be paid the same money as someone that creates 40 food. I say, that equality is, when someone, who creates 10 food, will get the same money per food as someone that creates 40 food.
Top Gun: "All that can happen in erepublik is state controlled industry,no exploitation,no forced loss of right etc."
Yes, but we are transforming RL ideas into Erepublik. Taxes for example, in RL, is theft.
"The free market is killing Slovakia" ROFL
"the government is a shambles." thanks God it is.
"Your new citizens are barely scraping by,and there is hardly any offers for skilled people in the country." - These are lies.
"There are no leaders here,merely people that click work and train everyday." - Real leaders are not created by governmental offices.
"Your the only nation without a forum,or without any articles in the media." - There is forum actually, but its useless for you, as you cant speak Slovak.
"We want to revive Slovakia,we want to build relations with other countries,have a real military,and an economy that supports it's citizens."
And I want "Blue from the Sky"
"communism happens to work in eRepublik very well for nations of Slovakia's size." - Thats nonsense. Btw, leaving country with moving tickets works really very well.
"after the previous governments messing around and damaging Slovakia" - yes there was one, which raised taxes and damaged slovakia - and we dont want it (you) anymore.
"we are investing in the economy and putting time and effort into building a community." - you dont need comunism and taxes for that.
"The free market is killing Slovakia - Not the free market is killing us, but the low population (caused mainly because the work/train pattern of this game as you said)"
Yes, but a low propulation works good with communes. So wouldn't it make sense to switch to a commune system?
"Your new citizens are barely scraping by - Sociálna poisťovňa is at help. (They distribute interest-free loans)"
Tell me more about these "Interest free loans"
"There are no leaders here - we are the community of equals - noone is the leader and everyone is (sounds like communism?)"
No, it's not communist, it's anarchist.
"Your the only nation without a forum - just an evidence that you do not know nothing about Slovakia, you just come and concluded you are needed."
Ok, if this forum does indeed exist, can we have a link to it?
"communism happens to work in eRepublik very well for nations - if so, go and spread communism in other states first. Then come."
Er, what if they tell us the exact ame thing you jsut said? You have the start somehwere.
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We have come to Slovakia to try and implement our ideas peacefully. - Well, as I said, I have no problems with your ideas. Till they remain as a free choice and not forced. Increasing taxes would be forcing. Force cannot come up with peace.
Baci, you are anarchist, obviously, and anarchist government do not work in eRepublik.
Ohio, in eRepublik, you cannot force ideas on people.
"Taxes for example, in RL, is theft."
This is idiotic. If you drive on roads that you didn't pave, if you travel on highways, or if you enjoy having police officers protect you, then you're going to have to pay taxes. It's the same in eRepublik. Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. This country is perfectly fine for people like you and I, Baci, who have money and can do fine without government help. But new players need that help, and it is not stealing to use some of your money to do so.
Yes, but a low propulation works good with communes. So wouldn't it make sense to switch to a commune system? - As I said, if you find someone to work in your commune system, you can make communes.
Tell me more about these "Interest free loans" - Sociálna poisťovňa is PRIVATE (not state funded) organisation, that just gives some money to starting players and they are required to pay back as they reach level 6 (and receive 5 gold).
No, it's not communist, it's anarchist.
- You have talked about equality. We all participate in process of creating eSlovakia. Everyone is free to participate and we change our posts regularly.
Er, what if they tell us the exact ame thing you jsut said? You have the start somehwere. - Try it. If communism is so damn good, you should have no problems with attcracting people.
"Baci, people can't die in eRepublik. That invalidates your arguement."
I was talking about RL, not erepublik
"The state will ideally provide food for all people (which is quite cheap), and if citizens need something else, they'd work in a separate commune. For example, if you need moving tickets, you'd work in a ticket company. You're right, we can't force you do such a thing and we don't want to."
You dont want to force us? Raising taxes (for providing food) is using force against us. Btw, how are you going to produce raw materials in you "system"?
"You have yet to show how Communism magically causes people to die. You're just making stuff up."
You cant read? I wrote it here (and I was talking about RL, not Erepublik):
"well, actually, if we held principles of communistic "ethics", we couldnt. In comunism, everyone owns everything - therefore, you cannot do anything with your body (or anything else), if all 6 billion people wont agree with it. Problem is, that even to ask those 6 billion people you need to use your body. And so, if there was comunism, all people would die in few minutes."
"Ohio, like we said, there is no Slovakian forum." there is: eslovakia.php5.sk
"We have come to Slovakia to try and implement our ideas peacefully." raising taxes is not peaceful.
"Yes, but a low propulation works good with communes. So wouldn't it make sense to switch to a commune system?"
Switch to comune system, but let us away from it (no raising taxes).
This is idiotic. If you drive on roads that you didn't pave, if you travel on highways, or if you enjoy having police officers protect you, then you're going to have to pay taxes. It's the same in eRepublik. Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. This country is perfectly fine for people like you and I, Baci, who have money and can do fine without government help. But new players need that help, and it is not stealing to use some of your money to do so.
- And what if you do not drive on roads? And on highways? Dont you pay taxes then? In real life, state should only protect people and assure justice. But I do not know about any judges in eRepublik. Nor about highways.
But new players need that help - We are not forcing anyone to contribute. However, we do. I, Baci and Evee have together donated 40 gold to NBS. Where have you contributed to?
Nowhere in our doctrine does it say that 6 billion people have to unanimously agree on what you want to do with your body. That's ridiculous.
"Baci, you are anarchist, obviously, and anarchist government do not work in eRepublik."
I am libertarian, and e-Slovakia is an example of erepublik country, where libertarianism works.
"If you drive on roads that you didn't pave, if you travel on highways, or if you enjoy having police officers protect you, then you're going to have to pay taxes." Lol. If government didnot steal money to build roads and highways, market would provide it in cheaper and more efficient way.
"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." ROFL.
"But new players need that help, and it is not stealing to use some of your money to do so." You can help them, and also Socialna poistovna helps them. Theft is always theft.
Vilien, if you want to change something, you should have an agreement from ALL (not majority) people involved. If you do not have it, you are forcing them. Force cannot come up with peace.
Ohio: I'm very glad that you have a system in Slovakia already. I'd like to contribute to that if you can tell me how.
I run a food bank in Ireland, by the way. All the new players who ask get to eat, and it comes out of my pocket. That's what I do.
I'm of the opinion that government owes more to its citizens. We plan to provide the basic comforts to all eSlovakians.
Baci: "Lol. If government didnot steal money to build roads and highways, market would provide it in cheaper and more efficient way."
This is complete bullshit. The "free" market is not free in any way. Big companies would charge you far more than the government asks for to drive on roads. If anything, our RL economic crisis is a perfect example of how stupid your mindset is.
"I'm of the opinion that government owes more to its citizens."
Government doesnt create anything, it just takes from one and give it to someone else. I call it theft.
"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." - I agree, that we must pay taxes to ensure people not dying on the streets and to ensure the justice. However, roads, bailouts, green programs, benefits, schools - these are just not the life necessities.
"This is complete bullshit. The "free" market is not free in any way. Big companies would charge you far more than the government asks for to drive on roads. If anything, our RL economic crisis is a perfect example of how stupid your mindset is."
No, it would be much cheaper than you pay now in taxes. Big corporations are consequence of state regulations, not of free market. RL economic crisis was caused because of governmental monopolies for printing money (another kind of socialism).
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I run a food bank in Ireland, by the way. All the new players who ask get to eat, and it comes out of my pocket. That's what I do.
- and I am very glad that you do this. However, imagine that a new citizen reached 20 gold. Communism forces him to donate, however, if he invests, he will soon earn 100 gold. Communism forces him to donate 5, but if it would not, he would be able to donate 20 gold later on.
I'm of the opinion that government owes more to its citizens. - I do not have idea why you divide society into government and citizens. Citizens are the part of the government, citizens are the government and citizen pay money to government. Government does not have to exist in eRep.
Baci: The RL economic crisis was caused by deregulation in America, allowing banks to use their assets on purchasing risky derivatives. This had absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about, and I suggest you read something on it before you make uninformed statements.
Ohio: Our plan does not call for citizens to donate their money. It is based on citizens being provided with the jobs they need to create the products they need. We aren't going to force anyone to give up their hard earned money.
The "free" market is not free in any way. - The freedom of the market is in choices. While the government build roads, the need of the people is maybe somewhere else. What if people do not need roads? What if they do not own car? What if they are unable to buy a car? Can you look me in the eyes and tell me that everyone in whole society needs roads? What if they would spend their money for studies? Or for charity?
"The RL economic crisis was caused by deregulation in America, allowing banks to use their assets on purchasing risky derivatives. This had absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about, and I suggest you read something on it before you make uninformed statements."
You are not right. Not such thing would happen, if governmental money werent forced legal tender. Central bank issuing these forced money (socialism) is causing false signal - falling of interests, so enterpreneurs are making malinvestments and people are overconsuming - than crisis somes.
"Our plan does not call for citizens to donate their money. It is based on citizens being provided with the jobs they need to create the products they need. We aren't going to force anyone to give up their hard earned money."
Ehm. So are or arent you going to raise taxes?
Our plan does not call for citizens to donate their money. - Really? And how else would you call big taxes? Taxes are the best example to show how government forces citizens to donate. Additionally, increased taxes reduce people's will to pay them. I can assure you, that if you higher the taxes, the people will rather donate the goods to each other and therefore the state would get nothing anyways.
Ohio: Taxes tax income and purchases, and as your assets are liquid, they are untaxable, and you are safe. Don't worry, we wont take your money away.
"Taxes tax income and purchases, and as your assets are liquid, they are untaxable, and you are safe. Don't worry, we wont take your money away."
We also care about other people, not just about ourselves like socialists do.
Baci: Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended in production.