My two cents
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Gavin Wax
This was originally supposed to be a response to jewyoyos Article but it got too long so I decided to write an article instead.
*EDIT* This is no longer a response to just jewyoyos article but a general response to comments made regarding the situation. Nothing here is directed against jewyoyo unless I said so.
I think Aeroner (although not required too) should have consulted with his MoFA and other Ministers before making the announcement. This would have saved him from all this rable and would of been the better thing to do. I find it ridiculous when I see people saying he doesnt need to consult with his Ministers before making a major diplomatic announcement such as this. Basically when people say this they are saying that senior officials in the government should be completely out of the loop and unaware of the governments current policies. Is that a government you want to live under? A government that lacks communication and organization within its own cabinet.
I still think Dean should have discussed this privately with Aeroner first. Also this is not usually how Aeroner leads. Hes usually the person to go into long drawn out discussions on the issue before reaching an agreement and I can assure you as a member of the current government that Aeroner has been actively communicating and engaging with his Ministers on various issues and that this is a isolated incident.
Aeroner you say you where only speaking for yourself. But your still our President and our representative to the world.
This quote was in an article with various other national President declaring their nations support for Macedon. This article was intended to be a tool to show that Macedon has acquired International support from various different nations. In the end of the day it doesnt matter because our allies where offended and it was a diplomatic Blunder. The best course of action would of simply been not to get involved in the situation. Its none of our concern to begin with and making an official statement on the issue whether or not your representing only your views or the view of the entire nation is going to cause problems.
What really frustrates me is the same people who are supporting this decision are saying we need to keep Real Life out of erep. They state the Macedonian Greek naming dispute is a real life issue not erep and for that reason we should simply support the Macedonian Cause. At the same time however they state we need to support Macedon because in real Life many people refuse to recognize Israel for a variety of reasons. Completely hypocritical.
Personally I find this decision a grave strategic error on the part of our President. The In game the Macedonian community is largely based in Turkey with Pro Turkish views and anti Greek and anti israel views. I dont want to generalize but this is how it is sadly. By declaring our support for macedon all we are going against the wishes of one if not our closest ally. an ally may I remind you that has come to protect us and save our skin on multiple occasions. What have the macedonians done for us? Fought against us with the Turks. You (jewyoyo) make it seem in your article that only this one guy in greece "Hellas Owns you" is against the creation Macedon when in fact most of eGreece and the eGreek government is opposed to this.
Dean Michaely is our MoFA and his job is to maintain strong relations between Israel and our allies. He has also been working very hard lately to get us entry into EDEN and from what I have been told this has set us back and that this decision has angered EDEN leadership.
Before you say that other countries that are members of EDEN have supported this its different because they are already members while we are trying to attain membership. Different situations. At the same time greece never saved those countries from being annihilated. We have a special relationship with greece and we need to preserve that.
The most concerning thing is that in the end this whole debacle makes us look weak and unorganized. Communication between Ministers and the President is vital and in this case it was nonexistent and now we have a huge PR nightmare that embarrasses us. Different parts of the government openly disagreeing with the other.
The only thing we get out of this is maybe a few macedonians happy. While we loose the respect and trust of our closest ally. If this trend continues I fear we will garner the reputation of being flimsy with our allies and not a country to be trusted. We just scuffed off our allies who actually have a country in favor of trying to appease a group of people who dont have a country and are already mostly opposed to us.
Okay now post your angry comments.
Comments
"I find it ridiculous when I see people saying he doesnt need to consult with his Ministers before making a major diplomatic announcement such as this." I did not say that. "They state the Macedonian Greek naming dispute is a real life issue not erep and for that reason we should simply support the Macedonian Cause. " I did not say that.
Gavin, you made some mistakes. I do not support Macedon, I support FYROM. Check the article soon, and you will see my typo has been fixed.
Even Hellenic Front has told me he has no problem with FYROM, just Macedon.
So I think everything is yofee tofee.
Oh and also, I did not go into a lingwinded discussion because this was representing me. If my opinion was all of eIsrael's opinion, well, it'd be a pretty boring place.
Sorry I didnt mean you I meant others who commented on the issue. This article moved away from a response to you to more of a general response. Ill make that more clear.
"You (jewyoyo) make it seem in your article that only this one guy in greece "Hellas Owns you" is against the creation Macedon when in fact most of eGreece and the eGreek government is opposed to this."
He's the only one I saw calling us 'backstabbers'. And you say we've been set back in EDEN membership? The presidents of Croatia and Romania also gave their support for whatever you want to call the country we are talking about.
They are already members we are trying to attain membership. Different situations. At the same time greece never saved those countries from being annihilated. We have a special relationship with greece and we need to preserve that.
Obviously voted! Great article!
It was a trap for you to say that you support Macedonia.
Next time be more careful about Macedonia and FYROM.
I will, Zaib. It was a typo, a mistake, one that I am keen on not making again.
I agree that I bit over react but it was the second time that our preisdent making forgein decission without even letting me know about that.
...It sounded like his personal opinion to me, Dean.
There are better, more private, ways to handle these matters Dean. I just glad everything seems to have been sorted out.
i don't understand how aeroner of all people was stupid enough to enter this stupid argument in the first place.
as someone said. it was clearly a political trap to lead allied sides into some feud.
CRoy you are not one to criticize me darling, so do not do it.
you may understand that they romanian press and the MoFA of greece changed his statement that was published all over the world (you american probaly slept in that time), there was an article called "Israel Stabbed Thier Allies in the Back".
there was a picture of back stabbing, and a line of "how did our allies did that to us??" and then they qoute Aeroner.
I had to act immidietly, and it seems to work because according to my article they changed thier statements all over the world and saw that this was a misunderstanding of Aeroner about the situation of those "FYROM", and it didn't damage my unstoping efforts to make a progress of eIsrael into EDEN.
I'm enough colculated CRoy, so please do not criticize me, it was a bit rough but it was necessery..
have a nice day 🙂
Relax bud. I'm glad it all got worked out.
as the president of Israel it doesnt matter if its your personal opinion, even if you go out and say it is everyone will take it as the stance of the country and often times if the president says it lots of people will start believing in it too.
Aeroner made a mistake, but a forgivable mistake. Things can be made right but Israel has to push beyond this mistake, and the 'civil war' Daniel Ender has created.