Marmara & Sofia: probes of the New World Order?
Nalaja
The newly accepted MPP between the former Phoeni
😜owerhouse eHungary and the EDEN leader ePoland could be a mere signal of sympathy without any strategic consequence or a starting signal of the New World Order. Which one occurs? Acts of these days, such as the battles of Marmara and Sofia, have maximum effect on it.
In the context of this newspaper, New World Order (NWO) stands for formation of a new alliance system, based on a set of, mostly Central European, countries, from both sides of the dissolving bipolar world. ePoland and eHungary gave the starting sign of this movement, however the possible outcomes are still numerous.
This is what we want to avoid...
Look at the strategic situation of Europe today. While eSerbia, eHungary, eTurkey and eMacedonia have officially left the Phoenix alliance, the EDEN seems to be intact. There is no MPP between eRomania and ePoland but - according to the yesterdays article of the ePolish president - its command system is more or less operating. After the pressure on eFrance to lend a rubber region to ePoland, the EDEN and ePoland opened two new fronts against the former Phoenix states. eBulgaria entered the Balkan frey against core of Turkey and, as a consequence, faced a Macedonian onslaught. Meanwhile, ePoland votes on a Natural Enemy status on Netherlands. While the Balkan conflict concerns the states that left the Phoenix and are in extremely close alliance with eHungary and eSerbia, eNetherland is now out of the Central European interests.
The main question is, how quickly and how effectively can the decision making mechanism of the NWO be formed? Besides, what common goals could be set for the NWO members to cooperate for? If there is a considerable delay, the usual habits kill the movement in its cradle. In a working alliance, it is hardly imaginable that a party of it hits against another party in a battle, however it occured in the battles of Marmara and Sofia recently. It is still unclear, whether eg. ePoland wants to confront only to eRomania in the Hungarian front or also wants to support eBulgaria against the close allies of eHungary? Habits mean here as many players an even the state organization of a country can easily decide to support a long-time ally in a conflict, sometimes neglecting or even not detecting that it hurts the core interests of another new ally.
I can acknowledge that every movement is defined by milestones. However, I personally don't see the 'gradual change' from the old, bipolar system to NWO possible. Every day might erode the enthusiasm and strengthen the old habits. The leaders that have the vision of NWO, should act quickly to define the decision system and goal set of the alliance.
My further thoughts of this topic
MAGYARUL
A marmarai és szófiai csata: hogy lesz így új világrend?
Az újonnan elfogadott lengyel-magyar MPP lehetett a kölcsönös szimpátia stratégiailag jelentéktelen megnyilvánulása , de akár az új világrend kezdete is. De melyik is? Az ezekben a napokban történő események, így a marmarai és szófiai csaták dönthetik el ezt.
Ebben a lapban az "új világrend" egy új szövetségi rendszert jelent, amely nagyrészt közép-európai és balkáni államokból áll, a korábbi kétpólusú világ mindkét oldaláról. Lengyelország és Magyarország már kiadta a startjelet, de a lehetséges kimenetelek még számosak.
Nézzük Európa mai stratégiai képét. Miközben mi, a szerbek, a törökök és a macedónok elhagytuk a Phoenix-et, az EDEN kívülről nézve érintetlen. Nincs MPP a lengyelek és a románok közt, de - a lengyel elnök tegnapi cikke szerint vezetési szervei úgy-ahogy, de működnek. Miután a franciákra gyakorolt nyomással a lengyelek gumi-régióhoz jutottak, az EDEN és Lengyelország két új frontot nyitott a volt Phoenix-országok ellen. Bulgária beszállt a balkáni buliba és megtámadta a törököket, és szembenéz a macedónok mentesítő támadásával, Lengyelország a hollandok elleni háborúra készül. Miközben a balkáni frontok a Phoenix-et elhagyó, és velünk szoros szövetségben álló országokat érintik, Hollandia kívül esik pillanatnyi érdekkörünkön.
A fő kérdés az, milyen gyorsan és mennyire hatékonyan tud felállni az új szövetség döntéshozó rendszere? Emellett pedig: meg tudunk-e jelölni közös célokat, amelyekért az új világrend országai közösen küzdhetnek? Amennyiben ezek érdemi késedelmet szenvednek, a szokásaink és beidegződéseink a bölcsőjében fojthatják meg az átrendeződést, az új rendet. Egy működő szövetségben elképzelhetetlen, hogy a tagok akár közvetetten, de egymás ellen üssenek. Ez pedig most Marmara és Szófia csatájában is bekövetkezett.. Még mindig bizonytalan, hogy a lengyelek csak a románokkal hajlandóak harcolni a magyar MPP-n keresztül, avagy hosszabb távon is támogatnák-e Bulgáriát hazánk legfontosabb szövetségesei ellen? A szokások és beidegződések mind egyéni, mind állami szinten élnek; könnyen ütünk a régi harcostársak mellett, figyelmen kívül hagyva vagy észre sem véve, hogy ezzel esetleg új szövetségeseink alapvető érdekeit sértjük.
Elfogadom, hogy minden folyamatot mérföldköveknek tekinthető fordulatok jellemeznek. Ugyanakkor személy szerint nem hiszem, hogy a bipoláris világból az új szövetségbe való átmenet folyamatosan is megtehető lenne. Minden új nap ebben a köztes állapotban csökkenti a lelkesedést és erősíti a régi szokások szerinti működést. A vezetőknek, akik az új szövetség a víziójuk, gyorsan fel kell állítaniuk a döntési rendszert és megállapodni a célokban is.
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csakazértismagyarulmaxxx
interesting
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NWO o7 : P
Headlesschickenmax
FYROM cannot into Sofia "smile" :Р
I agree. We really should speed things up 8 )
Today we defend Eastern Macedonia and take back Marmara.
Tomorrow we attack Bulgaria from 2 sides .🙂
The little gold they had the spent yesterday and in Marmara ^.^
"While eSerbia, eHungary, eTurkey and eMacedonia have officially left the Phoenix alliance"
So I guess it's a mistake if I look at these countries MPP list because I see the same MPPs getting renewed as they were part of Phoenix .
If you want a new alliance you should also give up on MPPs as it is right now the only thing you are trying to do is pull ePoland into Phoenix.
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vladb! Cry me a river! ; P
"good luck" ; )
nobody said it would be easy.
where is admin?
vladab> We had 23 MPP-s and now have 13.
We wont give up Serbian, makedonian and Turkish MPP no matter how hard you cry : ).
@Peterbond :Indonesia,Argentina,United Kingdom,Slovenia ..are this part of NWO ?
Look at FYROM's MPP :http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/military/Republic-of-Macedonia-FYROM
All Phoenix is there .
So what changed ?Absolutely nothing .
eTurkey has the same MPP set as before ,as does eSerbia .
You only preach the new alliance but facts say otherwise and always : Facts >words.
vladb - "So I guess it's a mistake if I look at these countries MPP list because I see the same MPPs getting renewed as they were part of Phoenix"
So I guess you should have your sight checked, then your brain, cuz either you can't see, or you have a problem with counting. : D
ArweniaE : although eHungarians have been our opponents for the entire time I've played this game I have always considered to use a language that does not insult people .
Your only arguments seem to be that I am stupid or blind ,what can I say ..nice logic dude.
LOL..NWO..
ye right..Poles fighting for Buglaria in Sofia
hail the new world order-.-
I don't see any changes from the old, bipolar system to NWO possible.
vladb - In the Phoenix-time Hungary had 23 MPPs. Now we are down to 11 MPPs.
If this means to you "the same MPPs getting renewed" then you really have a problem, mate, no logic involved here. No offence, I didn'm mean to hurt your feelings. 😁
So ,,question to all the NWO fans
Who are NWO members ?
Who are your allies now ?
NWO o/
NWO o/
vladb: NWO dosent exist yet. If it will exist, u will see it. And maybe feel it too : D But it is not easy, and we made first little step. PL-HU mpp. Maybe we will see second step, or not. If not, then: hail Peace 3
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vladb: If there only were a possibility to revoke MPP😒...
Poland's coming war with Netherlands is quite interesting, as Netherlands has both cattle and oil, the resources Poland is currently renting from USA. They are apparently aiming to make that rental agreement obsolete.
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Sossu : I think that's in the best interest of eUS .
Also I think that eUS has already let know the ePolish Gov that they want to terminate the contract .
Do you think it's a good choice that a country that is allied with eHU to have regions in the eUS ?
I expect ePoland to lose the regions they have in Asia ..willingly or not.
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Hail Bulgaria!!
Hail Greece!
Bulgaria as a Hungarian ally!
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@Jonnymk😛 Have you seen the former ePolish president Cerber hitting on the eMacedonian side? Most ePolish have indeed voted for the NWO.
@Csongor Ambrus
No,but there were regular citisens fighting,and not a single on our side.
So if the NWO target is Bulgaria(like that article said)
i gess the first probe failed.
We need the new alliance fast or keep playing the old way,same allies,and Poland need to chose for who they wish to fight.Yesturday we lost the battle after 5-0 initiative,mostly becouse we lacked the help of the allies.
@Nalaja, why would fighting for eMacedonia and eTurkey vs. eBulgaria be a proof of ePolish friendship to eHungary and NWO?? why should not eHungary fight at eBulgarian side to prove its loyalty to ePoland??
@antwone
Because Macedonia and Turkey will most likely be NWO members since they bouth left Phoenix, and Bulgaria will stay in Eden.
And here we have a problem..if a new alliance is formed,than forgeting some of the old allys is essential.
Vote Bro
"könnyen ütünk a régi harcostársak mellett, figyelmen kívül hagyva vagy észre sem véve, hogy ezzel esetleg új szövetségeseink alapvető érdekeit sértjük."
Még szerencse, hogy ez a németek RW-i esetében fel sem vetődött.
\o/
Lets suppose that nwo is possible and it will be formed around Serbia-Hungary-Poland... We see that Serbia and Poland has a will to make this alliance possible (Serbia agreed to make peace with Croatia, Poland agreed to make diplomatic efforts to make this possible, and they are currently sacrificing they rating trough entire EDEN).
My question still is, what is Hungary prepared to sacrifice for this new alliance? Serbian government showed that they are prepared to sacrifice they reputation in Serbian people to convince public to make peace with Croatia, people opened their mind and agreed, they offered cooperation to Croats and they rejected it so...
Is Hungary willing to sacrifice some diplomatic time to convince Poland to leave Croats, if they are that stubborn? (Croatians already calls Polaks traitors.)
Or, is Hungary willing to overcome they problems with Romania (following Serbian example) and to accept both Romania and Croatia and who knows which other countries into new alliance?
Or, eventually, if Hungary is not willing to sacrifice anything for they old friend, Serbia, are they prepared to leave the Serbia and embrace they new MPP with Poland and maybe some new alliance combination without Serbia?!
So far we only see that Poland and Serbia are prepared to sacrifice something to make this alliance possible, I wonder is Hungary prepared to sacrifice anything?!
vukio: Every member of the new alliance should decide between the old and the new order. All former allies cannot be kept at all sides; it would be a PEACE Global Community : D It was tried and not working. Yes, also Hungary hurt the interest of its former allies. It is already done now. (Yes, eg. it was a strange feeling to hit in a Polish RW against the Germans and Russians, cf. the third comment up.)
Sure, all countries of the NWO should decide between new and old alliance (EDEN or former Phoenix). It cannot be working without making this hard decision.
@Nalaja
So, by your opinion it is possible Poland to leave Croatia? (I am using this example because Serbia showed will to overcome they differences between them and Croatia but the other way doesn't look possible so my question is not "is it possible that Hungary leave Serbia" because both of those countries are opened for this new alliance.)
And it is possible for Hungary to accept Romania if they show a will to become a part of a new alliance?
Many problems about this NWO :
1)Boredom : who can beat this alliance ? This NWO may completely kill challenge and excitement in this game.
-Do you really think that a serious counter alliance can be created against NWO ?
2)Common goals.
-Whan can they do together ? Invade Asia ? America ? We don't really know if this alliance make sense.
-Members of this alliance have differents goals : Romania for Poland and Hungary, USA for Serbia, Brazil for Hungary, etc...
They will have to choose common targets and not acting selfishly.
3)Former allies : they will have to choose.
-For example, Hungary wants to attack Brazil, but Brazil has good relationship with Brazil. Which country will Serbia choose ?
-An other example : Serbia wants to invade USA, but Brazil have good relationships with both Serbia and USA.
-And a final example ( the more exciting one😃 ) : if Poland wants to invade France, which side will do for example Serbia, Turkay and Macedonia ?
4)Composition of this alliance :
-What will happen if Romania wants to be with Croatia in NWO ? Will Hungary and Poland accept it ?
-Countries like Turkey or Macedonia don't hate but don't really like countries like Poland. We will see if they will manane to create a new and a true frindly relationship between them.
NWO MEGA FAIL:
1ST. President Impeachment
Do you want the current president of Poland to end this office?
2ND. http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/stanowisko-polskich-prywatnych-grup-bojowych-nt-nwo-1631418/1/20
I can only LOL on NWO...
ROFL!
NWO MEGA FAIL:
1.eFYROM cannot into Sofia
2.ST. President Impeachment
Do you want the current president of Poland to end this office?
3.http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/stanowisko-polskich-prywatnych-grup-bojowych-nt-nwo-1631418/1/20
Al Vlahovic Signed bre
Sorry bre!
dream on!
And sorry for my english mistakes, but I wrote my previous comment at midnight.^_~