Karl Holm, for President of DGIN. Karl Holm, the man-eating tobacco-addict.
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by Grev Per
Copenhagen, Denmark
That magnificent bastard. Karl Holm, international (or well national) man of controversy! I take my hat off to you sir! Karl Hom, famous for being a sour jerk to everyone, all the time. Karl Holm the craziest man in Sweden. Karl Holm, he's just plain mean. This man is Hitler x 1000. This man is Pol Pot x Hitler x 1000. This man is just brilliant.
No one is as bad as Karl Holm. There isn't a person in Sweden who is more hated than that evil son of a gun. It's incredible. I tip my hat to you Karl Holm. You have accomplished in like a week, what I haven't accomplished since April. You've accumulated more hate-spam in 2 days than I have in 5 months. You are the most effective man in Sweden, and you are the most hated. I am not worthy.
Your brilliance is in how you have brilliantly shown my brilliant...fuck I can't even think of like...words anymore. I am not worthy Karl Holm!
I salute you, and encourage you to be president of DGIN because you have turned all my crazy wild lies about Sweden, into truths! I never thought that a nation with an effective education system, state-controlled liquor stores (this is important), and really cold winters, could ever be as crappy as I make it out to be. But your presence alone Karl Holm, merely your presence, has turned the Swedish media into something far worse than anything I ever called it (and to be quite honest, I never lied about the Swedish media). You've shown by simply existing and being who you are, that even online Swedes can go into this bizarre mob mentality and waste their own time spamming for no real gain or purpose. It's quite simply amazing.
You've robbed the Swedish people of their reason. I love it when prejudice turns true, but it's also so nice when it does. How do you do it Karl Holm? How come you are so evil? How did you turn Sweden into a drooling pile of lemmings? I'm wondering. This is a useful magic you posess and I would be willing to buy it from you. What is your secret weapon? Snus? The tree flavored kind? ABBA? Perhaps a combination? Karl Holm you crazy bastard, I don't think you can genetically combine ABBA and tree-flavored snus, and even if you did, they'd only be half living creations that would be screaming for death. What kind of a sicko are you? Some kind of cannibalistic tobacco addict? Aha! I couldn't think of anything ...more evil!
P.S. What the fuck is going on and why all the controversy?
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why x Hitler ? he was a loose Stalin killed more people ....
Well according to the wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
(scroll down to the section called \"number of victims\")
The section claims to have the reopened soviet archives of 1991 as a source. The executions under Stalin (and those who inadvertently died in the GULAGS or were executed as KULAKS) seems to be around 4 million. If you exaggerate Soviet archives slightly. I think that number sounds reasonable. And I don\'t think the victims of a famine are on the hands of the government.
4 Million doesn\'t even come close to the number of Jews alone that died under Hitler, not to mention everyone else.
Also Hitler in his rhetoric is more readily viewable as evil. Stalin just lied and talked about nice things while doing the opposite.
So that\'s why.
All I can find is one spammer in the media. What\'s so evil about Karl Holm? He\'s been a loyal member of FBS since last week. And he expects better from me even.
HIHIHI! member...
It\'s more a commentary on spammers/ attack on Swedes. I just thought it would be funny to hop on this Karl Holm thing since he doesn\'t seem particularly...anything.
Running out of subjects?
Actually this is the same subject I always use. Although a degree or two more subtle.
Grev Per - If you like wiki you should check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
These are additional 3 millions or even more. Zahnweh is right. Stalin was the biggest mass murder in history.
\"Also Hitler in his rhetoric is more readily viewable as evil. Stalin just lied and talked about nice things while doing the opposite.\" - This one is just pathetic.
I already addressed that I don\'t think there is sufficient evidence to prove that Stalin created a famine in order to starve Ukrainians. That doesn\'t make any sense. Stalin had no problem executing people, why create a famine? Now if you hold Stalin for responsible for the gross incompetence of how the famine was treated that\'s another thing. But that\'s up for debate.
Perhaps unlike you, I like to view my sources critically. Even when dealing with crazy murderers.
Furthermore regarding the wiki. I clearly stated that the source in the wiki for that particular section was supposedly the State Archives opened in 1991. Naturally I was aware of the Ukrainian famine before you just gave me the link for no specific reason. The beginning of that article itself mentions the great uncertainty of what caused the famine.
Really are you some kind of idiot or something?
I admitt, I am the anti-christ, and you know what? I like it. I succeed because I attack those 12-years old, insecure, little boys who totally freaks out at any form of critics, while you tries and tries to attack people who actually can think, sometimes. Your way to success is not via the well educated, you could attack that fortress for years without accomplish anything, it\'s by the unsympathetic you\'ll win. Now if you\'d excuse me, I have to go flog my sisters and brothers with a bat for some hours. See you soon.
Hahaha...have to laugh to this article.....Karl Holm is one of the softest ones here in erepublik..and he cannot even harm a little fly 🙂 He is just a \"huggiebear\" 😉 Yes you can bow front of him but you can´t hate that guy.
//Mjau
Stalin was a real \"huggiebear\" too...
You know why all the Dinosaurs died? Karl Holm woke up angry one day, thats why.
Grev Per is right, one should always criticize sources, especially unscientific ones. And it\'s very likely that the total amount of deaths caused by Stalin is about 3-4 million. A majority of the russian people even like Stalin. So if he killed 30 million I don\'t think their relatives (who are many times more) would like it very much. A majority would never like him if that was the case and only about 20% dislike him despite of decades of anti-stalin soviet propaganda. WW2 caused 30 million deaths. It\'s common for Russians to have known someone who has died or lived during that war, they were hugely affected by it. If the deaths caused by Stalin would be as many, it would show. It doesn\'t.
Historians who claim there have been 30 million deaths and similar calculate those numbers through various unscientific methods (the most famous, Conquest, lowered his numbers from 30 to 20 recently, which definitely puts his methods to question) . Their results are more of an ideological kind. They base their numbers on expected population increases etc. But if you apply the very same methods on the western countries you get higher amounts of deaths. Birth-rates in developed countries are lower than those of underdeveloped countries. USSR during Stalin was in a transitional process.
Now I\'m no fan of the politics of Stalin (even though I think he did what was right during and before the WW2), but western cold-war propaganda is still propaganda even if it comes from our side. Here in the west nobody thinks about those 2 million vietnamese civilians who died of american bullets, or the millions who have died in Iraq due to sanction imposed famine, or the victims of the 50 US backed coups. The western liberals have killed hundreds of millions in total since the end of the 19th century. But that\'s nothing you get to hear in the west, you only hear about the crimes of others.
It smells Jan Myrdahl.....
Great Scott! This must be the most misdirected critisism ever. Or more like just plain attack seeing as there is no sign of what Karl did wrong that he might done otherwise or not at all.
Also, one more fun thing, everything you said about swedes, well I didn\'t care, I\'m latvian, bwahahahahahahahahaoskdahkjahGSFALDKGJDSLÄGDJGjdfdg...
If anything you seem jelous on his brilliance by slapping all the non-thinkers in the face with toilet paper... really hard.
Oh, by the way, he\'s my best buddy IRL, gonna have some fun chats wuth him about all this messy uppiness.
Sicram, I\'m not entirely sure if you understand my article was sarcasm and are just replying that with sarcasm, or if you just didn\'t understand that it was sarcasm.
Radsoc, You applaud source criticism and then make claims on Stalin\'s popularity in Russia without any sources at all. (And if there were sources, the methodology would be far more dubious than Robert Conquests\'.) In fact Robert Conquest\'s estimates on executions and purges comes from nazi archives that had been liberated by the West on what would become Eastern territory. The number 20 million is the estimation of the executions plus the famines.
And really if famines are part of a transitional phase of society, who the hell is gonna wanna take part in that?
Moving on, you make several more logical errors. It\'s super lame to counter the numbers of people killed by Stalin by saying \"oh yeah look what the west is responsible for!!!!\". Because now you are taking different things and placing the blame on the west. If we were to do that to the former communist states we would still get a higher number I believe. Famine in China, the executions by the Khmer Rouge, repressions in Southern Vietnam by the north etc. etc. etc.
I don\'t see any how much of what Stalin did was any good. The elimination of free artistry in the soviet union is a fundamental ideological issue that\'s easy to pick with Stalin, forced collectivization was an obvious error, the fact that political dissent is a crime certainly can\'t be supported. But also 3-4 million executions is insane. The one interesting thing that Stalin did was his work on the national question, which is the one thing that the marxists in E-Sverige don\'t know anything about apparently.
Sorry, should\'ve added more sarcastic stuff, one sentence didn\'t do 😛
And tyrants are good to have, they bring forward dicipline. With lashes...
Lashes... Reminds me of an old girlfriend. I do not like being tied up, seriously.
4+ Opinion polls are my sources. I\'ll have links to two of them here:
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/6267/stalin_a_positive_figure_for_russians
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/11072/fifty_years_later_russians_regard_stalin_positively
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm
TOTAL: 92M deaths by Communism.
RESIDUE: 96M deaths by non-Communism.
(1900 - 2005) famines included
They are also going to design at least 3 new statues of Stalin.
Famines have always been part of transitional phases. In Russia it had to do with the class-struggle between land owners and those who had no land. Crops were burned, cows shot by the land owning class, which caused famine.
My comparison with west makes the point that history is violent. It\'s no teletubby show. When people struggle for power there are deaths. And I see no problem with that. Spartacus and other slave-leaders did the right thing to fight their way to freedom, which is the only way there.
Repression of counter-revolutionaries is good.
I don\'t consider Khmer Rouge as socialists. They were actively funded by the US, crushed by Vietnam.
Stalin made sure socialism would survive a conflict with the west. And it did, thanks to the rapid industrialisation. The USSR would\'ve never survived otherwise. In ten years, the USSR turned into an industrialised country. 20 years later they had advanced further than the west in many aspects. Social, industrial, scientific etc. The growth record set is still held by stalin-USSR.
Sure, his politics weren\'t entirely socialist, but they were pragmatic. And that is a requirement for lasting socialism. What he did ensured that the USSR could exist for decades more.
It sure feel good to see you speak about (dead) diktators and genocides with my name as topic. 😉