Everyone's Favorite Misfits
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by ZironiaInc
It's that time of the month again my dear boys & girls.Time to bicker,accuse,mudsling and generally make a total ass of yourself.Whoop-tee-effin-doo.
I wasn't planning on writing any article(perhaps another endorsement before the elections) but after reading a comment made by our mighty Minister of Safety and Security I decided it was time for the Tramp to make a stand.
A stand against what you may wonder.And a fine question it is.
Here's what I have to say:
1.The people should know
The fact that a well-know,I dare say infamous by now, take-over group is slowly making it's way to our country just before elections,is something the public has a right to know.Especially seeing as they had tried to place a member of theirs in our ranks before(Principe Konrad anyone?).
And our Minister's response that we should not go public about this issue is a bit contradictory to the position he took regarding Ryan Dagari,of whom he asked for as much transparency as possible.
2.Connecting to the Theocrats?
Our fine Minister also states that the Theocrats might be coming to the e.S.A in order to produce weapons and that us attacking them from the get-go is something that will ruin a potential connection.
I ask this as a citizens who has seen what the Theocrats can do:Why would we want to be associated with them?How would an association with a take-over group supported by the eItalian government benefit our image in foreign eyes.Would anyone dare propose any kind of trade agreement to the eSwiss(granted they recover their country,which I hope happens soon enough) while working with their enemies?
Besides,I believe it is against the very Constitution of eSouth Africa to associate with the Theocrats?I give you the exact article:
i. The government and people of South Africa recognize that the Theocrats are a terrorist group and banned from operating within South Africa. Anyone found collaborating with them will be tried for treason.
So should be worried about where your alliances are Mr. Black8Shadow?I would tend to believe that it is not the case,as you have witnessed a Theocratic reign yourself,but if you further maintain your position in this matter,I will be forced to ask for a trial against you.And I assure you that I will do my best to offer you a fair trial(unlike one I don't wish to speak about).
3."The Bigger Picture"
Somehow,I'm sure that this will come up during the argument that will follow.
The bigger picture,dear boys and girls, is that we are faced with a threat(be it minor or major) and whether we defecate in our pants upon hearing the word "theocrat" I believe it is every citizen's right to decide if they do so or not.Rather than not defecate because he or she doesn't know about a possibly critical situation.
And by the way Mr. Black I don't think that calling anyone a,and I quote, "dumb-ass" in public is the right way to go about anything.You could simply resort to stating your ideas in a civilized and calm manner,rather than insulting people.
Yours truly,
Siroe
P.S:This article really isn't about getting votes or hogging the media,it is about informing people.And any attempt to discredit the paper on these grounds will be ignored.
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I didn't know about the article in the consitution!
Well that makes this a very interesting ordeal...
"we are faced with a threat.... Rather than not defecate because he or she doesn't know about a possibly critical situation." Way to sound the horn, its time to move into a code red
That's funky fresh, Funkmaster General.
I am inclined to give Black8 the benefit of the doubt on this one. It is a serious issue, yes, but I can't imagine that Black8 would actually stoop to collaborating with Theos. Taylor maybe, but not Blackie.
As I said,I doubt that his intention was to hand the country over to the theocrats.However his hot-headed commentary was most disturbing and I felt that it is my right,if not obligation,to point that out.Both to prompt him to keep that temper of his in line and to prove that the Constitution,while necessary,still has many flaws to it.(Point proven before if I may add)
Here's a twist and interesting question...how do we take the fight to them rather than wait for them to "attack" us?
I support your right to point out what you see is wrong and am glad you brought this to our attention. I'm just not prepared to get on Black8 for making some ill-advised comments, but that's just me.
Your point about the Constitution is well-taken however, which is why I'd like to see us take another look at it and make it more clear and concise.
Banko also brings up a great point and I'm not sure there is one real good answer to his question. I've heard lots of ideas, but nothing that really seems workable. We have better plans for defense than offense, although those aren't strong either.
At the moment, surveillance and support, both voting and financial, for their victims seem to be the only options I've heard that have any hope of success. Unfortunately, the govt. hasn't been able to coordinate even this effectively. I hope we can pursue that and other options further in the near future.
"how do we take the fight to them"
There are options, but nothing which needs be discussed here. It's worth note that this not been a FA priority.
If my forum account for the FA gets activated (if you didn't get my PM, this is a shout-out!) I'll try to push the importance of such a matter, Michael. I believe that taking the fight to our enemies, be they Theocrats, foreign occupants, or both, is of utmost importance.
Just know that there is at least one voice in the FA that is going to push for such actions.
That's a start, but will their candidate do what their last presidents have not? It's hard to say since he hasn't really addressed the issue or "pretty much agrees with Jizzie." I don't know if the latter is a sign of his true commitment to the cause, but at least he is leaning in that direction.
Maybe if you continue to press the issue, Paddy, the FA leadership will start to take action. So far it has been mostly a BLF (plus Dagari and Joey the Redd) project since the FA (except for ERD) does not visit the Liberation thread anymore. The BLF deserves credit for staying on top of the Theos, but it would be better for everyone if all of eSA's parties took part in the planning and execution of security plans.
At the moment I can't make any major suggestions and/or pushes towards that goal until my forum account gets acttivated (there seems to be a glitch in the system). Maybe you could *cough* provide me with a link to this Liberation thread of which you speak? I may be able to present my ideas there since I can't quite communicate with the rest of my party as of yet.
Um, well, I'd give you the link, but you need to be a citizen of eSouth Africa for something like 2 months to get in. I tried to get them to let Elizabeth Engels in, but ERD refused to let her in because she hadn't been here long enough. I'm a little more lax about who gets in, but ERDWURM is much more strict, and as president, he has the final say. Brendan is technically the admin/mod or whatever, but I kind of doubt he'd be anymore lenient than ERD. I'd be happy to relay any ideas you have to them (and I'll give you credit).
Maybe since you are FA, ERD will relax the rules a bit, especially if you know him. I probably should not have even mentioned that thread here, but I don't think we have to worry about Theos or Indos getting in since security is so damn tight.
Ah, right. Oh well, the security makes sense. I'll wait a day or two to see if my activation gets locked in and then I'll go from there. I may harrass you in a few days.
Feel free to harass me any time. If the FA takes too long, you can always join BLF. We'll be happy to welcome you with almost no waiting time. 😉
Do we really need so many parties for a nation our size? Has a consolidation ever been attempted? Might make everything much simpler as far as getting things done. We really need to get things done, things that are good for the nation as a whole.
As far as security issues go, you cannot blame anyone for being careful about security in a place that has been repeatedly invaded and abused over time. Also I do not wish to inflict a time limit on anyone, it is a judgment call and I trust you all will do the right things.
We seem to be differing over whether vanilla bean or natural vanilla is a better flavour. Sometimes it is funny, sometimes it is sad.
Here is what I would ask the next government to do:
1. Make progress getting our territories back. All of them.
2. Assume a role in citizen health.
3. Fund and organize an army.
4. Form deals that benefit the nation as a whole.
5. Not rule out working with anyone, including Indonesia or a rival party, if it helps the people and goals of South Africa.
6. Get all of the ministries active and involved, and fund the ones that need it.
7. If you get overloaded, ask for help! There are plenty of talented people who can help.
8. Share with the people what you are doing for them.
Sounds so simple, but it just has not proven to be, has it?
Well done Zironialnc - you are the perfect fool the Theocrats have been waiting for!
By questioning Black's alliances you are spreading disorder and confusion amongst loyal citz of eSA.
You are therefore a perfect example of a "third force".
Have you ever heard of the phrase "divide and rule"?
Why do we have to fight the enemy if we can just have them fight each other.
Please note that i am not calling you a dumb-ass, idiotic, moron, because if i was then it would be rude.
@ Zironialnc - why are you friends with so many Theocrats???
Draadtrekker.
@ Engels "5. Not rule out working with anyone, including Indonesia or a rival party, if it helps the people and goals of South Africa."
I think that by letting foreigners work in our country (however helpful this may be) opens up doors for them to infiltrate our society, parties and congress...and this is obviously not healthy for our political statis or our nation...
However I do agree with you on party consolidation...a unite South Africa would be much better than one that has soo many parties
It wasn't a freaking campaign article, you *****. I wasn't trying to scare people. And you called me dumbass, so don't bother reporting me.
I know that iron is used to make weapons. It's kind of obvious, thanks for making me look like a n00b.
And lastly, when did I mention Taylor?
@ Elizabeth Engels & Brendan - do you have positive suggestions to getting rid of the Theocrats or does your patriotism start and end at getting rid of Black?
Which sounds more like party politics that nationalistic fervour.
Strange that Jizzie seems to trust Blacks bona fides - or maybe he's also in bed with the Crats?
Wait... i'm also one - i would be bacuse i am one of the Zombies mentioned by Elizabeth Engels.
Maybe the admins are also Crats, maybe Prez Obama is also one, after all the word crat is contained in his party name..
@ Zironialnc & Elizabeth Engels - if you have any guts i suggest that you officialy charge Black rather than spreading malicious rumours.
Here's your chance mateys, lay your cards on the table.
Back up you allegations with proof of treason and blackmail (on Browski)and lets see where it goes.
@ Brendan, Yes they use Iron the in the way you suggested - if you believe you come across as a n00b then well join the club I know of a few people who would agree with you on that one.
When I write something, it is considered a Campaign article when you write something its not - double standards you have.
Stop being a n00b I was refering to Ryan's article but asked you to remove the topic regarding Taylor and if he still has access I think shortly there after the Lib Room was closed which was a good step for security even though it was a bit late as I am sure the Theocrats had the already read all the stories.
As for reporting you ... what for.... and to whom should I report you ... ? ***** ... what is this if you want to say someone is a dumb ass say it why pretent?
@ Engels your comment is not worth a response its only your view and you are out of touch with reality clearly on this issue.
@Me-262 Well, you certainly DO rant like Black8Shadow does! Both of you have that nasty, petty tone that makes wrinkle my nose.
I am sorry I did not notice your rant before I deleted my post, having decided it was "too mean". Had a hard time following the part on the Theocrats, were you speaking out of your mouth?
I would suggest that FA clean house before aspiring for much else.
If I understand Browski's good character, he would probably advocate the same thing, and may have been for some time.
@ Elizabeth Engels - once somebody asks you to back up your allegations and slurs you delete your post!
So you realised you were wrong..
@Me-262 your comment is not worth a response its only your view and you are out of touch with reality clearly on this issue.
However - I already said I had not realized there was a response. To get this far down you have to make an extra click somewhere along the line.
Wrong? Probably not. But there is always hope. If I am right, you will be the first to know.
@Engles and Siroe
Are you accusing me of treason or black mail if so then come out with the evidence!
I demand that you retract your alligations of treason and black mail or that you have me officially charge!
In other words charge me or shutup.
@Me-262:How am I a fool for raising awareness regarding a serious issue.Stop reading into something that is not there I said that I didn't believe that he was associated in any way with the Theocrats,I was merely pointing out a flaw in the Constitution,using Black8Shadow's statement,that could have been interpreted in more than one way.
You seriously think that if I wanted to keep my connections private I would still keep public members of the theocrat party in my friend list?I understand that you consider me to be a fool,but that's a bit pushing it isn't it?I am however prepared to answer any questions regarding my supposed association with this group if need be.
@Black8Shadow:I'm not throwing stones,I am expressing opinions.I have never associated this article with the Black Lion Front and will not do so.
Did you even read the article?I'm starting to doubt it.I said that I didn't believe you to be associated with the theocrats.And I maintain that.
Btw Me-262,if you want to swear at me,please do it in English.I don't enjoy being called that though😉.Especially for no reason.
Actually, yes we do. We were about to elaborate when Black8, in essence, told us to shut up, we're dumbasses.
"@ Brendan, Yes they use Iron the in the way you suggested - if you believe you come across as a n00b then well join the club I know of a few people who would agree with you on that one."
Oh noes!
"When I write something, it is considered a Campaign article when you write something its not - double standards you have."
That totally twisted the situation. When you wrote something you blamed the BLF for every one of this country's woes. I wrote about the danger of the Theocrats and how we should unite. I did not say who to unite for, who to support, I did not mention a single thing about Jizzie or Browski.
As for the '*****', it's 'idiot'. People have been banned for saying that to others before... so feel free to go and report me if you want now.
Vir die soutie teef. Moet my nie n rubber pop noem nie, jy is the lelike persoon hier
Ryan like i said many times before OUR SA PROBLEMS ARE NOT MULTIES BUT BAD PEOPLE LIKE THE THEOCRATS INVESTIGATE THEM!
lol, you're the Minister of Safety and Security. It's your job.
...why do I even bother to talk to a guy who can only talk incoherently and loves insulting everyone?
Can I also add the great help you were to me Ryan! thank you for NOT making me feel welcome and trying to help and play a roll in SA. However thank you for sending me 1 "agent" 2 weeks ago that does not do anything or talk much. With the great help you have been to me. No wonder the Theocrats robe us of our money while you were picking your nose. Your pretty useless at defending SA as it happened on your watch.
Silly question but can anyone tell me who these theocrats are and what is their agenda?
I am new here
They go around stealing Governments money in eRep they did it to us sometime ago like 100000 ZAR maybe more, but I dont think that they would be able to do that again here in SA
@ Assterion I became Minister of Safety and Security less than 1 month ago before that it was Intel however got no support from Gov and reported to Browski nearly everyday. Everyday else please take note the Theocratic invasion happened before I got involved with SA Gov.
I find it quite sad when supposedly grown-up people resort to childish name-calling .
Need I remind you Mr. Black8Shadow that you occupy a position in the current cabinet and that you should have a certain ethic and a more moderate manner of speaking?(this is just my opinion,it's also common sense but you and your co-workers/clones or whatever they are don't seem to be too big on that).
"Everyday else please take note the Theocratic invasion happened before I got involved with SA Gov."
Why does that matter?????
This is insane. I got lost at about the part that Me-262 said I might be a Theo because I somehow supported Black8 on whatever this argument is about. I just said I don't think Black8 is actually a traitor but Siroe was entitled to his opinion, I wasn't sure if posting intel about the Theos in articles was a good idea, and neither Brendan's nor Siroe's articles had anything to do with me or my campaign. Whatever this slapfight has turned into since I completely disassociate myself with.
Apparently Black8 has taken his toys and gone home, as he has resigned from ERD's cabinet. I guess there's no point naming his replacement with the elections so close.
Jesus Christ protector of all that is holy!I never said the man was a traitor,nor did I leak out any information on the Theocrats that was not public knowledge.Fact.
Neither did Brendan in my opinion.
All we posted in the media could have been easily deduced by anyone really.
The fact that Black8Shadow quit his post making some obscure accusations towards some kind of "club" that is not letting him do his job properly is,as far as I'm concerned, a soap-opera show in the making.
Funny how he kept his position to the last two days(according to my timezone) of this administration's term...
I know you didn't but at some point he took it that way. And you're right, you didn't leak anything, and after further contemplation, I realized that Brendan hadn't either. In fact, I was going to go back and make a comment to that effect, but he had already deleted the article. I don't think any of that matters anymore though.
Yeah, I thought it was odd too, especially since the few people I suspect are in this "club" aren't even in ERD's cabinet (you, Elizabeth, Brendan). Since I "supported" him, maybe I'm not in the club. Maybe I am. I don't know.
Me-262,
Do you do anything other than play "yes-man" to Black8Shadow? Does your RL salary depend on how much you kiss up to him in a video game?
This article's comments are an embarrassment to political debate.
Oh, and Black8, if you are still reading any of this, you never shared any information at all to me in the first place, and I worked for an entirely different section of the government. You have no right to hear the information that I learn about, and neither did anyone else for that matter. I can preform internal searches, because the theocrat's were not our problem. Them having fun with swis bank accounts is not eSA's problem, and it never should be. If you support action before devastation then maybe you should learn about SAIL and how it tried to save this sorry excuse for national security.
@ Ryan I did not expect you to share any info however a bit of help and some comradeship would have done the trick since we all work for the betterment of SA.
@ hiresmont vellos - this is a game, you klingon - in RL life we work 2gether in the same co that carries my RL name.
Because in RL life we work 2gether and live 2gether because we are related.
We started playing this game 2gether and share the same view on many but not all things - when we disagree on the game we have coffee and sort it out.
But if you wish to call me his yes man or whatever you are certainly entitled to do that.
Not to sound rude or sarcastic(which it just might happen!)
Was it necessary to even post a comment if you're just gonna go "but it's ok"? I mean I'm glad because it shows that you're not being petty about stuff.
Also, you could have just said We are related 😛 But glad to get some clarification!