Cheese eating surrender monkeys
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Potier
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Hi United Kingdom. I am fighting the anti-french ideas
😉. Thanks for reading and forgive my english.
I don't want to be boring, forgive me if i am. (and forgive my english again xD)
Pour mes lecteurs français, pardonnez cette encartade sur les îles britanniques, mais j'avais envie, voilà..
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"We had to surrender, the Germans were very mean!"
"Why are the streets of Paris lined with trees? So that the Germans can walk in the shade."
The French suck at war. At least, if you ask American and British popular culture, especially over the last, oh, fifteen years.
This is a specific and very common example of an Acceptable Nationality Target. The French, so the story says, are useless at war, will surrender at the drop of a hat, and need to be bailed out by the Americans/British in any major war.
Grossly untrue, in reality. Historically, France was one of the centers of military theory, with every military academy in the world teaching the French style. French forces led by Charles Martel stopped Muslim expansion into Europe at the Battle of Tours in 732. Of course, Napoleon conquered most of Continental Europe in the early 19th century. Even when France was an occupied country, most famously during World War II, the French people didn't exactly roll over. There's a reason it's "La Resistance," after all. Unfortunately, the collaboration of the Vichy government often overshadows the Resistance. There's a reason it's called Les Collaborateurs as well. One thing that's commonly forgotten is if the UK had had a land border with Europe, the "plucky Brits" would have been steamrolled by the Wehrmacht just as handily.
Also, fun fact which surprisingly few English people seem to realise: The French won the Hundred Years War. The English like to talk about Crecy and Agincourt, but the simple fact is that Joan of Arc kicked the living shit out of them. Americans have a similar historical amnesia in that it was partially due to French aid that they won the War of Independence. And while Americans taunt them over World War Two at the time of France's surrender the US was bitching about how Roosevelt was risking their neutrality for daring to send supplies to Great Britain. The Americans arguably 'surrendered' long before the war even started.
Sometimes this is referenced by claiming that France only wins when led by a non-Frenchman. (Napoleon was a Corsican, Joan a Frenchwoman). Also, others like to point out that 60% of Napoleon's armies were made up of foreigners from across the continent, but this is a matter of some debate. Another version is that French officers are useless, while French soldiers will kick nine kinds of crap out of you if you get them angry.
That said, France's 'losing' reputation comes from their rapid losses in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71, and World War II. World War I was a battle to exhaustion that was very closely run through the middle of 1918. However, Germany looked like it was winning because it seized a lot of French territory early on and the war bogged down so they held it till the end.
Grenade - French for pomegranate. Bayonet - named after Bayonne, in south-west France. Esprit de Corps - Military spirit. Not to mention every other Knight In Shining Armor in Chivalric Romance. The rise of this current reputation is due to geopolitical fighting, divisiveness, and brinkmanship in recent years. The high-point was perhaps the international debate leading up to the USA's 2003 invasion of Iraq, with the peak being when the House of Representatives declared that its restaurants would refer to French Fries as Freedom Fries. At this point, the internet collectively facepalmed itself, and it became a Dead Horse Trope on many internet sites that had popularized it.
Keep in mind that this trope wasn't always about the French. Earlier on it was also about Italy, which, after the collapse of the Roman Empire, is portrayed as being systematically butt-raped by every invading army. That would make them Pasta Eating Surrender Monkeys. Machiavelli hammered it pretty hard in all his major works.
Keep in mind that the British doing this are most likely to be English or Protestant Northern Irish. The Scots, contrary to the Simpsons episode, and the Welsh are actually cool with the French.
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Yeeeehaaaaa Voté 😉
voted
I like your style
t'as rien d'autre à foutre que d'écrire des pavés ?
Woah. For a moment I thought you wrote it.
*disappointed*
RL France was indeed a major military power in Europe along with the UK and Spain. Voted.
Je rêve ! un article de badaboum en anglais !
Tu t'es fait hacker ton compte, Potier ?
Ahahaha. Popote qui écrit en Angliche, qu'on le tonde !
vive le québec libre
super article!
in virtual terms the UK are indeed surrender monkeys, "peace will win the war in the USA" etc. if the UK had fought on the side of their traditional allies this war would have been much shorter. shame their people are so concerned with political crap and not into backing the underdog and fighting for something the believe in. All you UK turncoats: hang your head in shame, how many regions does america have now?
Merci de remettre un peu les pendules a l'heure, y a des gens qui ont un peu oublié que sans la manche ils auraient été envahi aussi...et d'autre que leur armée en 1940 ne comptait pas plus d'homme que l'armée belge...l'us army...
nice, i don't understand all but if it's potier, it's the best.
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Very good, a shame you didn't write it. Some errors, though...
"The French won the Hundred Years War"
That's debatable. I consider winning a war to be fulfilling the objectives that were laid down at the beginning of the war, and since those objectives were changed many times during the duration of the war (112 years?) it's tricky to say. Also, it's Crécy.
However, I commend the fact that you're fighting back against us British. When we insult the Americans they never seem to come back with anything intelligent...
Bit depressed its hardly about the game and its not exactly written by you. So this article isnt written well because he didnt exactly write it now.
So you didnt write it and it has nothing to do with eRepublik, its not relevant in any way and i cant even put that its well written to your name.
eClarkson rolling in his grave right now.
And of course he's dead, look at all the wars!
Damn frogs getting all up in our media. /jk 😃
Long live the eEntente cordiale!
Vive la France! 😃
RL Frances military history is indeed as impressive as the UKs and I salute our old adversary 😛
Hm...you start with a couple of wrong assumptions:
1. '...popular culture over the last... 15 years'? Make that over 60 years, i.e. since WW2. It shows how young and ill-informed you are!
2. 'need to be bailed out by the Americans/British in any major war'? Wrong. Not any war. The reputation was developed as a result of, again, WW2.
It is naive (and somewhat hypocritical) of you to try and convince anyone of the wondrous and brave modern French military the moment you know very well that the debate about the Vichy government and how it collaborated with the Germans -never mind the effortless surrender of France- rages on to this day in your lovely country!
You don't mention either the more recent admirable sabotaging of British miltary aircraft at an aircraft show in order to sell French military aircraft to the Saudis instead. All so very honourable of your lovely country...
I do like France and the French culture...very, very much in fact. But please, do us a favour and have another sip of your chaud chocolat and open a few history books before you pontificate.... and that means don't just read the books that make you feel good. You risk talking bollocks!
Et pour les anglophobe potier ? 😮
*Cheese.
the Welsh are actually cool with the French.
Very true - I'd have to say it is Wales number one, France number two for me.
Potier écrit en anglais, non mais c'est armaggedon là
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwW33a22N8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwW33a22[..]a22N8
"Napoleon conquered most of Continental Europe in the early 19th century" then got his ass handed to him by the british at waterloo.
"The French won the Hundred Years War. The English like to talk about Crecy and Agincourt, but the simple fact is that Joan of Arc kicked the living shit out of them" as france had uk lands at the start of the war and just managed to push us out of france by the end of it i feel that is a victory on the british side.
"One thing that's commonly forgotten is if the UK had had a land border with Europe, the "plucky Brits" would have been steamrolled by the Wehrmacht just as handily"
debatable as the french got blind sided by modern warfare tactics but with smaller countries in europe managed to slow down the germans as they knew what to expect.So if a country like belguim could slow them down how about the then super power status of the british empire.
Also when did the french start teaching the british army how to fight as im sure its the sas that go round the world teaching other special forces (except russia).
But then it must be hard to be good at warfare when you have got a county next to you that hasnt techinally lost a war in the last 1000 years.😛
Thank's potier for this, we are too much proud, but we know that our history influenced the world. Therefore lures to be proud us of millions of deaths that we made as imperialism? Finally let us celebrate cordial understanding rather.
I'll say a little thing about war today.
Americains (and British too) are very happy to have French soldiers in Afganistan, a country much more dangerous than Iraq and surprisingly, not that much military trouble.
Look at Iraq: Oh gosh!! No French soldiers and look at the mess there.
Don't forget that French has probably the best military network in the world with UK, very good relationships with Arabian countries, and so many other cool stuff that we can be very proud of (tanks especially, Foreign Legion...) and also others very shamefull (aircraft carrier 😛)
But war is just a piece of crap 😉
Arf, je m'étais fais chier à faire tout un texte et le temps de terminer et poster j'étais délogué 🙁.
Pour résumer, j'ai beaucoup de mal avec ce genre de discours militaro-chauviniste (qu'il soit Français, Anglais ou autre). Dans la guerre personne n'est gagnant (à part les vendeurs d'armes) et les Empires d'aujourd'hui ne seront pas ceux de demain.
Plutôt que de nous rappeler les pseudo moments de gloire de l'armée française (il y a Austerlitz mais aussi Waterloo), rappelons nous les moments comme la guerre d'Algérie où de formidables méthodes de torture et de lutte anti-guerilla ont été mis au point pour être ensuite exporté (en Amérique du sud notamment).
La guerre c'est une saloperie, ça ne rapporte à personne, et la gloire d'un homme ou d'un pays est bien souvent entaché du sang des victimes innocentes (demandait aux espagnol ce qu'il pensent de Napoléon (à juste titre)). Alors personnellement je pense que si l'on dois parler de quelques sujets IRL avec nos amis Anglais je préfèrerais que ce soit du cinéma de Peter Watkins, Ken Loach, des livres de Shakespeare, Beckett, Orwell, ...
Ceci dit IG c'est le côté guerre et diplomatie que je préfère 🙂 (mais ce n'est qu'un jeu)
Enfin voilà, pour résumer j' aimais mieux tes articles précédents Potier 😉
Désolé pour nos amis anglais, mon niveau d'anglais n'est pas suffisamment bon pour exprimer correctement ce que je pense dans votre langue, je vais essayer : put down guns and we talk about culture 🙂
The French surrender in part in WW2 since they were relying heavily on the Maginot Line to do its job in repelling the Germans. Unfortunately, the Maginot Line did its job too well and the Germans bypassed it via the less military strong Belgium and then swung round. It was the defeat at Fort Eben-Emael in Belgium that enabled the Germans to invade France.
Strategically, you could argue the biggest mistake was relying on it to block the Germans enough to mobilise the army. The French took heavy casaulties in the First World War - and around 20 years later when WW2 happened, the French had a major shortage of men and women at solder age. A higher than average number of troops were ex-soldiers from WW1. Any UK citizen who has seen the comedy "Dad's Army" will appreciate the slightly exaggorated form of the older troops. Hence the reliance on the Marginot Line.
Although the South of France was much more happy to surrender to the Germans on the basis their way of life wasn't affected, the general surrender of France was a matter of time rather than if. And to classify all French as cheese eating surrender monkeys is a massive insult to all those who risked their lives as part of the various French Resistance groups who spied and rescued for the Britished etc. Many shot down British pilots would not have made it back alive without them.
Although it is sometimes fun to poke fun at other nations and sterotypes (especially when it comes to football and sports in general), it is often worth knowing your history about it.... In some ways the eUK did the same as the French when it comes to PEACE.
Please learn to spell centre (not center) and stop putting America before us, we don't suck up to them.
Also note that the Wehrmacht wouldn't have taken us even if we did have a land border. They never ever wanted to take over Britain as it wanted Lebensraum, only to ensure it was out of the war, Norway was steamrollered as Germany wanted them, while they didn't want Sweden, for example nor did they ever take Switzerland.
Good article, but flawed none the less. We know you've won quite a lot of wars (you got a colonial empire for example) but it's a stereotype, a joke if you will. We know it's not true.
You can't spell fromage properly...
At least, thanks to England, we won the WWII: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze72wSZ1JM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze72wSZ1[..]Z1JM
Because America didn't save us, that is the Pythons themselves who did it 🙂
cul-de-sac
Modern France, as many other modern countries, isn't really anything to write home about. The popular idea that the French are white-flag waving decadent people is in my eyes untrue, however government and leadership wise your countiy has actualy lived up to this popular belief for the last 80 years, especialy during WW2. If you then look at the French themselves, you get a whole different story going on: during WW2 the French people resisted Nazi occupation with a fierce and awe inspiring way. (who hasnever heard of the French resistance(s)?! )
During the Imperial age and Napoleanic era, the French militairy and empire have been indeed a marvellous sight to behold. I mean, Napoleon even had an era named after him...
The morale of my little rant being that the French deserve our respect or disrepect as much as any other country in the world today, for each county has it's fair share of morons.
I quite agree Leejooh
War and conquests aren't things that we can be proud of...
It's almost like someone typed french military victories into google
Thats true I think the reason is that they do not know how to use their brains, they are more into art and music and how to cook instead of planninf and strategy.
It's calle😛 "paying attention in school", Badrider
Pasta eating surrender monkers, so true... lol
Tiens, en passant sur un journal de motivationals roumain (avec pas moins de 3 sur l'armée française) j'ai trouvé cette adresse dans les commentaires.
je la partage ici
http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp" target="_blank">http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/f[..]s.asp
'Keep in mind that the British doing this are most likely to be English or Protestant Northern Irish. The Scots, contrary to the Simpsons episode, and the Welsh are actually cool with the French.'
Haha, just shows how silly the whole article is, you can't just generalise millions of people like that. I know plenty of Scottish people who dislike the French because of the EU and their enthusiastic contribution to it.
I'm English/British and I have no problem with the French, I know they can be pretty badass when they want to be, but a nation's greatness shouldn't be determined by the efficiency with which they kill people. If that was the case Nazi Germany would be the greatest nation.
You criticise stereotypes and yet you enforce them and make impossible assumptions like ' if the UK had had a land border with Europe, the "plucky Brits" would have been steamrolled.'
Oh my god it's wonderful ! 🙂
oh go surrender somewhere else.
(jk of course!) glad to have you as allies here in erep. the taking of the american capital was quite lulzy
Algeria, Vietnam... might be worth mentioning as well for modern history.
We are in a game, and this article is a legitimate answer to all the insults and provocations about RL France that we can read everywhere in our eWorld's foes's journals.
It's curious, but it's true. If english people can still speak english, it's because frenchs and germans was stucked by the Channel... Remember the Blitz, it was not for german's fun, but the preparation for an invasion, who failed. And after Dunkerque, british army was like french, disbanded.
Technically, Great Britain lost the Independance War in America against the Insurgents and french army (and navy too,...).
So Spygon, you was wrong when you said that "it must be hard to be good at warfare when you have got a county next to you that hasnt techinally lost a war in the last 1000 years." Sorry for you lad !
Sorry for my english, and I hope we will be in better terms in the future. Because you was our best foe in RL, and our best ally too ! For the Entente Cordiale, hip hip hip ...
HOURRA !
C'est pas la bataille de Tours en 732, c'est la bataille de Poitiers
... Inculte
Bah en fait on sait de source sur maintenant que les sarrasins etaient monté beacoup plus haut que poitier...en effet apres avoir visité le futuroscope ils se sont dit qu'ils allaient faire un tour sur les chateau de la loire...et se sont etablis à sainte MAURE de touraine quelques temps...avant de se faire botter les fesses pas loin de Tour
"Keep in mind that the British doing this are most likely to be English or Protestant Northern Irish. The Scots, contrary to the Simpsons episode, and the Welsh are actually cool with the French."
ORLY??
You're a cheese eating surrender monkey. Go eat some snails, get your tissue out of your pocket and surrender to my arse bearing skills. I hate the French. I'm Scottish.
What have you done for the world? Oh yeah, lost every major world changing war in recent memory. Just because you're a good old timer don't mean jack buddy. UK>France any day of the week and twice on friday.
The only good invention out of France is the blowjob.
"One thing that's commonly forgotten is if the UK had had a land border with Europe, the "plucky Brits" would have been steamrolled by the Wehrmacht just as handily."
Our army wouldn't have been raped at Dunkirk then would it? We'd have retreated to the UK and set up a sexy defense barrier there, destroyed the german army after evaluating where we went wrong and beaten them without the yank's help.
I think that sums it up pretty nicely there. Since we were technologically superior to them, it was our tactics that were failing massively.
"I hate the French. I'm Scottish."
a good evidence of you're intelligence...congratulations
"Our army wouldn't have been raped at Dunkirk then would it? We'd have retreated to the UK and set up a sexy defense barrier there, destroyed the german army after evaluating where we went wrong and beaten them without the yank's help."
lol...in you're dreams