An ignorant's questions
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by olivermellors
A request to the community for some information.
1. What is the cost of upgrading a q4 to q5 weapons company?
2. What is the cost of “buying” a q5 and how is it done?
3. In practice, what is the method and cost of acquiring a q5 when you already have a q4 and a q2?
I ask because there is a proposal to assist HOPE. Jacobi and Lavis have a q4 and q2. It sounds as if they would part with those in order to have a q5.
The suggestion is that Rolo give 300 gold to the treasury which would then be returned to him in exchange for a q5 weapons company. The further suggestion is that, after we pay the money to Rolo, he be given “credit” for returning 390 gold to eCanada.
At first blush this is money laundering. Fellow has “my” money; then finds a way to send it to someone who returns it to him in a colourable transaction. Fellow then says “its mine, someone legitimately paid me for something”. Of course the “something” is also stolen goods to begin with.
Result: thief gets to keep 300 gold which he can say is “his”. The victim get nothing. A third party gets some of my stuff. PLUS, the thief is not only given 300 gold, he is given additional “credit” for “returning” 390 gold.
I note a number of congressmen are okay with this - some not. I honestly think I am missing something(s). Hence this article, which is not really an article so much as an ignorant’s questions.
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The cost to upgrade a Q4 to a Q5 is 200 gold.
The way I understand this, HOPE would end up the use of a Q5 weapon company, which is worth 390 if you paid admin prices, and they would get to keep their Q4. The Q5 would be property of the government held in trust by Jacobi.
The Q5 would be provided by Rolo.
There is a net gain to the government of a Q5 gun company, provided you can live with the stink of accepting 300g from Rolo and then giving it back.
Bear in mind that with the 10g daily limit in transactions, there would be a lot of things like this happening if you wanted to get any large sum of gold from Rolo.
Also bear in mind that if you agreed to do this and "changed your mind" when you had the 300g in treasury, that would likely be the end of the line in settling any reparations.
Is it money laundering? Call it whatever you want, its good for HOPE and good for eCanada.
I think this is showing a lot of co-operation, there isn't a single person saying "why is HOPE getting the Q5 company? why not military group XYZ?".
Companies worth 380 Gold ollivermellors, and it's going to one of the countries MU's that supplies freely to it citizens
so, you know, it's the public's money I have apparently, and it's going, in the form of a company to a Public Charity in trust of Jacobi
To clarify, nowhere did I ever say I was going to make a "blanket" donation to the treasury. 700 Gold left my account LAST NIGHT in the attempted RW of the NWT. TemujinBC and ST6 were funded with most of that gold, as well as I tanked over 100 myself with the encouragement of people such as jsboutin and Lavis Knight as well as the citizens in #crimsonin an attempt to "defend" Canada
All I get by your definition of "payback" (treasury donation) is the possibility of #ecan and forum access, which to this point, if I haven't made clear, I don't give 2 craps about
People sure do make it difficult to try to do some good in these parts....
Imo, this is a donation from Rolo to HOPE that require Congress help to be done. Nothing more. I don't see it as an attempt to get pardon or repaid his thief.
It would be stupid for Congress to block this donation. Anything that helps eCanada to be stronger on the battlefield should be supported.
rolo: This is as I thought, and consistent with your platform. You are going to decide how to spend the wealth without congress having a say.
It isn't hard to do good. Your response provides clarity and "transparency". The posting in congress, Addy's enthusiasm notwithstanding, did not.
Your supporters also seemed to think that eCanada's prosecution of the war wouldn't much benefit by having our gold back. You have clarified that it is in fact quite critical. You get credit for that clarification.
I guess i'm not sure now why congress is debating a budget. But that is a separate matter.
Lavis' Q4 would remain in his hands since he doesn't want to part with 200 gold if Congress decides that the company should be moved elsewhere.
Basically my Q2 is worth 30 gold. the Q5 is worth 380 gold. So a 350 gold difference that's mitigated somewhat by the fact that Rolo can sell it on the market for 342.
The 342 gold gets donated to the treasury, then donated to Grand Moff Industries. Grand Moff is folded into my account, so that I can then purchase the company Rolo has put on the market.
At the end of the day, I'm ironically the only real loser as I'm out 30 gold to repatriate a public trust company.
queary: why not buy from another seller? i.e. Rolo pays in; buy q5 from someone else.
or use the money to upgrade your q2 directly?
This isn't a rhetorical question btw. I would really like to understand.
So let me get this right. Party gold is put into the treasury for the good of all by the admins and a couple of people freak out about it and basically accuse the country of cheating said parties by not returning it to those parties. Now the countries gold is being used by Rolo to fight for our country (lets not foget build up his personal stats at the same time) and to help out HOPE, a private military unit by upgrading their companies. Am I the only one that see's something wrong with that?
I also agree with Oliver here, a level of "white washing" will occur with this action.
ete: you know a lot more than me about how this company stuff works.
is there some reason jacobi can't just pay rolo out of his own money, and then trust that rolo will send it back to him? Besides the business about fencing stolen goods.
No, I see the same thing, the variable is the definition of "wrong".
Jacobi is broke and has 29 gold currently to his name. 😛
oliver, there is a 10 Gold limit on how much Gold can be transferred to a citizen each day. It would take 30 days for Jacobi to pay Rolo or vice versa so this is why there is the Treasury as intermediary (no donation limit?). I'll admit I was a little lost figuring out why what was going where.
Let's try this. If there was no 10 Gold cap on donations, how would the deal have unfolded? Would it have been done differently? (real question, I have no idea at this point)
He could just put the gold back in the treasury and give it to all of the Canadian people it belongs too, you know. Then congress could decide on what to do with that gold and wether they want to do this for HOPE. He could also just sell the company and donate that gold to the treasury too. No limit on that. But then he wouldn't get the stats he is getting for it all now would he.
Plugson, the deal might have been done a month and a half ago under that case. I've been talking to Rolo about the possibility of getting a deal on a Q5 since I started HOPE II.
i admit to knowing something about the gold limit. Doesn't stand in the way of acquiring the company. Just getting repaid immediately. Trust, plug, trust. 🙂 Jacobi and a "group" could easily raise the necessary gold. Trust, trust, trust. 🙂
Honestly, i understand the desire for congress' help. I would prefer to see the money received by congress with an "earmark", and used to purchase from an independent 3rd party seller. That removes the major objection. I see there is now a possibility that ALL Military units may benefit in some way (most recent forum post) ? Will be interesting to follow.
Oh and about that recent forum post by jacobi: looks like rolo didn't in fact "give" gold to TEM... he bought TEM's company for 400 gold. ????
okay, let's not get too critical about the accuracy of posts which are written quickly etc. It is not unusual for the facts to become clearer with time.
"I would prefer to see the money received by congress with an "earmark", and used to purchase from an independent 3rd party seller."
I could theoretically buy Vanquizor's Q5 on the market for 365.
And yeah, though I have no idea what the particulars of the deal are beyond that.
Rolo bought one of my Q5 weapon companies for 419 gold (the maximum allowable selling price). I then used ~300 gold in tanking to try and push the wall against or Alfagrem, which was unsuccessful.
So, in fact, I sold my Q5 weapons company for about a hundred gold and a shitton of rank points.
Should Rolo decide to sell that company, he can easily do so, and regain most of what he "gave" to me.
Just Saying
Tem: YOU get congratulations and thanks. Alberta was tough. And NWT. "one more tank and i would have quit" -Alfagrem
Yes, Alfagrem had orders to help Turkey against Russia, and he was scrambling back and forth trying to fight in multiple areas. Was a shame we couldn't find a couple extra bodies to help push the wall. I think it got to 49.20%.
Oh well, next time.
tl;dr
Math is good for the soul as is Labatt50, surf and turf, Montreal in the summer, well anytime actually but I digress...
Rickards red would be the brew. Its not even worth it to pay attention to all the backroom crap going to in Canada right now.
Better to just torch it all.
Give me 35 gold lol! XD
Let me address this,
Firstly, HOPE is not a militia that competes with TCO or CAF, it is meant for citizens who wish to have an in game only experience or further for citizens without access to forums or IRC.
Secondly, the factory in question will still belong to the government. It is a license for them to give and at any time they can revoke that licence from us.
Thirdly, myself and Jacobi have nothing to gain from this factory. We will work in the factory and gain the capability to distribute Q5 weapons to the citizenry more sustainably. In fact if anything Jacobi has taken on risk as he could potentially lose 30 gold if this licence is revoked.
We have always done our best to arm the people, increase activity and provide a place that more tradional militias may miss.
Finally, this is a question that was brought to congress: even if the transfer takes place it will be up to congress to approve whether the Gold will leave the treasury once it is donated.
However i ask you this: Do you really want to hold us back the capability of making Q5 weapons? Because those who would destroy us do not hesistate to give them out to our enemies:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/tanks-for-swedes-purge-supply-british-columbia-supply-closed-1797159/1/20
The choice is with congress.
-Lavis
Lavis: your bona fides and that of jacobi are not in issue. Congress should NEVER do a deal to take 300 gold and then not follow through on their promise - even if the promise is given to an undeserving. Deals are deals. No fingers crossed.
My biggest puzzle is why does the company has to be bought from rolo. If he wants to benefit HOPE give congress the gold to buy them a company.
I note your reference to the possibility that rolo has funded Rylde. I hesitate to believe Rylde.
Your question is right on: "Do you really want to hold us back the capability of making Q5 weapons?" I have been asking Rolo that question for a while now. It is not hard to do good. Pony up our cash.. we will do the rest. Or am I missing something?
Que Rolo redonne simplement l'argent au trésor public!
C'est vraiment une drôle de coïncidence que Lavis Knight et Jacobi aient appuyé publiquement le retour de Rolo (Jacobi l'a même fait le jour du vote, ce qui a eu une incidence certaine sur le résultat...), puis maintenant ils veulent que Rolo rembourse le pays en payant une compagnie d'armes Q5 à HOPE.
Méchante magouille quand même...
It is very clear to me:
Rolo is extorting congress using the same gold he stole from the Canadian government.
You guys are retarded, I am trying to get a company out of my citizen and into that of Jacobi, so that he can use it to run HOPE and benefit Canada with FREE Q5 weapons for it's citizens
If I wanted to profit from it I would just sell it so some random guy for 342 Gold and be done with it, Instead, I have negotiated the minimum selling price with Jacobi
Takashi_kun, After an eLife of being insignificant, attempts to do so now by being Rylde's buttboy...
Rolo Tahmasee : "You guys are retarded."
Mets-en qu'ils sont retardés! Il y a en effet 268 tapons qui ont voté pour toi, plus 13 con-gressistes qui ont protégé tes fesses lors du vote d'impeach.
Ils sont vraiment retardés, considérant les milliers de gold que tu as volé au pays.
@Rolo
I only get overly active when the time calls for it or when i want to do some congress work.
In this occasion, a snake like you dared to bite into the core values of an indifferent nation and shattered them. I simply could not let that pass... ever.
Apart from that, i do have a relatively quiet e-life. In fact i will go back to being a lazy citizen once the country comes back to its senses or you get what you truly deserve, whichever comes first.
As i said before, I dunno much about Rylde, but the actions of his OCP fit right in with what I believe in.
rolo tahmasee, "..buttboy..."
Again with the butt?? What the heck is this obsession that you and Addy have with butt??
@ Rylde, "Rickards red would be the brew." Temujin forced you to say that eh? And yeah, who'd want to stay in the back room when you could be up front getting pied? Banana cream ok?
Rickards red has been my favorite since I discovered it.
Takashi_kun you have joined Operation Douche Canada?
and are supplying the enemy
Really?
I wish you Facktards would realize that the majority of eCanadians voted for someone other than Rolo, that your aiding the enemy agaisnt that majority.
Simply put as the game goes your a traitor and a few of use have good memories and wont forget any of this.
All this drama is worth SO much more than whatever the disputed amount of gold,...you just can not buy great entertainment like this ,...but seriously,..it is obvious that most of what seems to be going down here is intended for the good of eCanada,..I hope it all gets sorted out,..why do we not try and put some of this energy into trying to figure out how to get more eCanadians playing,.that is what we really need,.players to use all these free weapons !?
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