The history of the Serbo-Slovenian friendly bond
Ice Killa
When we ask ourselves from where the Serbian and Slovenian friendship derives from, the most easiest answer would be that at some point in the history both nations shared common goals that heard by the name of "deletion of Croatia". Although the most interesting fact is, that some time ago, before the Serbian baby boom that made them superpower number one in this game, Croatians and Slovenians shared friendly relationship with each another even though that that wasn't the case in real life, where border disputes caused some unnecessary tensions. At the time people thought of it as something that shouldn't be brought to this game, but slowly when Slovenian community in eRepublik began to gain in numbers, the entire thing couldn't be prevented and the will of the majority, that demanded Croatia becomes the enemy of Slovenia, won. Things were never the same after that, but we can still regard this as an era, where a definition of an enemy is and was only made inside the human mind. If you make someone think that he is your ally, all his previous actions will be forgotten and same will happen if that nation was at a period of eRepublik history regarded as your ally and then became your enemy. It's shere stupidity once you look upon it the way I am.
Slovenia and Serbia side by side in the early times of this game.
The Serbian baby boom and the revenge on Croatia
Once Serbia became strong in this game, that was around the mid period of 2009, when Lipec successfully caused a baby boom that deminished Croatian control in the most parts of Serbia, Serbians were eager to get revenge and Croatians weren't ready to give up of their control in their original regions. This is what became later on known as the great plan to destroy the Croatian mainland and Slovenia, Hungary and Serbia participated in the action against Croatia. For some the action could be regarded as a success, for others it could be regarded as a failure as it didn't accomplish the goals of the action. But nevertheless, this was the period when Serbian and Slovenian friendship grew and Slovenians and Serbians began to call each others brothers, allies and other friendly "names". At the time Serbia had 2 main allies and Slovenia and Hungary were one of them, it just shows how valued we were at the time compared to nowadays when they are just simply looking for their own interests and calling others a bit selfish if they don't help their allies in need. We are doing exactly the same with our passive attitude towards our friends and no wonder we weren't accepted to ONE when our peak in eRepublik is the daily work and train in this game. Some would say that this is a good thing, having a lot of resources for our country, but I keep saying that we lost the idea who we were and who we are these days - Slovenia has no real allies except the old definition of the ally by the Serbs that do not really know us these days.
The later deletion of Croatia
At the end of the eRepublik v1 plans were made for the final deletion of Croatia by the Serbian, the Hungarian and the Slovenian side - the plan was more than a success, but the later actions proved that this game was in decline and pretty much all countries lost a lot of its core players. However, more important was that Slovenians were thought as the winners of the eRepublik v1 - it was a remark given by the Serbian community and we, for once, were proud of what we had done in this game. This is just a proof that people remember you by your brave actions and not because you are able to indefinitely hold foreign regions. Slovenian and Serbian friendship was a true brotherhood, where you could count on a Serb and a Slovenian that they would mutually watch each other's back and die "defending" it. The memories reach far over that. Nowadays it is all about holding shitload of regions and demanding from your allies that they hand the regions, that are required from them, to the stronger superpower, we keep forgetting about the main thing and that is the fun in this game. It united Slovenians and Serbians in the first place and made us think what a meaning of a true alliance is.
By the words of Serbians, Slovenians were regarded as the winners of v1. The picture depicts the Spanish attack on Rhone Alps and the offensive on Croatia in the late days of eRepublik v1.
Creation of ONE, Serbians abandon Slovenia
Indeed we can say that Slovenians were promised they would be able to join the newly formed alliance called ONE, but those were just empty words. Serbian diplomacy once again proved how old friendships can be forgotten due to economic and politic interests - their goal was to pact with Poland and Spain that weren't very keen on having so many countries from former Phoenix in the alliance. That lead to Slovenia being rejected by Spain that gave veto on our entry. Months after that we were still being mislead, and Serbia kept promising we won't be left out - we still are left out and no one has since now thought of it. Slovenians are a strange nation, we never raise our voice and share our disapproval, but we must be aware, that no one will ever stand for us if we don't stand for ourselves. I do believe that ONE is an alliance that failed to accomplish its goals, but a simbolic gesture, where Serbians would hold their ground and stand for us, would had been at the time most welcome. Shame that didn't occur and we can regard this era as the dark times in the Serbian and Slovenian friendship. After that the brotherhood gained some of its old glory, but it never reached the former level of trust that Slovenians were giving to the Serbians before this.
Turks showed that they shall not be messed around with. Spaniards must be taught a lesson since they rejected the Turkish and Slovenian attempts to join the alliance ONE. Slovenia, sadly, didn't do the same and expressed her disappointment "a bit" too late.
The old friendship improves
Of course some will say that you cannot kill a friendship that once shook the world with its courage and the amount of good words given to each another. In some matter that is true, but for some months to come Slovenians were keen on leaving the Serbian hypocrisy behind and demanded that we change the alignment to another alliance. Ideas were given that we form a pact with the former Phoenix countries or that we even join the ABC alliance, but nothing came out of it and Slovenians kept regarding themselves as neutral and not part of ONE - that is the case even in these days thanks to the "former friends".
Signs of better days came when Serbia successfully drove out Croatia from the Apenine peninsula, but at the time that was still regarded as only as a stitch on the wound.
Slovenians showing what a true friendship means.
People keep saying that it's Serbian fault that Slovenian and Serbian friendship lost its former appeal, but I blame both sides for not doing what is in their power to build on their former successes. The biggest idiocy was the Serbian "no" to Slovenian demands that we join ONE and the result of that action can be still seen up to these days. Of course Slovenia keeps fighting on the Serbian side, but we can't regard this as something that would redefine eRepublik as we know it, old friendships are something that can be easily forgotten and Serbians at the time, when they rejected us, proved just that. I keep asking myself what would it take that people once again remember and relive Slovenia and Serbia side by side, sharing common enemy and not giving a shit about the resources that completely destroyed the definition of a "friend".
Best regards,
Ice Killa aka Howly
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There were no voting about Turkey and Slovenia in ONE, so Spain didn't have an occasion to reject you two. : )
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You again, AThompson? I am still of the opinion you were one of the leading actors that was against our entry into ONE.
o7 Howly
v, great article
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Secam se dana kada je "mala" Slovenija hrabro napadala visestruko jacu Hrvatsku i na sebe navlacila gomilu MPP-ova (stara vremena gde je bilo bitno ko prvi napada), ne bi li Srbiji i Madjarskoj olaksala borbu protiv hrvata.
I don't like desinformation. I was at the ONE, you don't, that's why I have information about this things, and you don't. 🙂 There were no official voting about any new countries ever in ONE, except Indonesia, which proposed by a completly new leadership. Means that there is no Spain 'rejecting' your entry into ONE, this is simply not true.
My opinion ( ONE should not expand ) was one of the opinions in the alliance. ONE was a dinamic alliance, which meant to be small to slow down the process leads to the death of every alliance.
Besides of this Slovenia proved that she needs some more time, to be ready for ONE. I'm talking about the DS case. The main problem was not that you didn't give away your region, but lack of cooperation. The alliance were always sacrificing things for its members.
Now, AThompson, let's be more accurate. Hungarians threatened they would take DS by force and of course we weren't willing to let it go. And let's be even more accurate, Slovenia was never part of ONE and Hungarians are the ones who can be thanked for that as well.
Now, let's be more accurate. Hungarian persons (20 of them) threatened you that they would take away DS by force. : ) All the 20 of them with their 4 million damage a day, not Hungary, and not the Hungarian government. Even before this your govts. rejected every single proposal regarding DS, one of the regions you held by the help of Hungary and ONE. : )
Last time you said Me and Spain rejected you, not Hungary. : P
Slovenia is a great nation, but you made mistakes as well, and you don't wanna admit them. : )
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First of all. What was the main reason that Slovenia got rejected, possibly the Poland and Spain's wish that ONE doesn't include as many Phoenix members as it was firstly thought, that could be one of the plausible options, but I still do think the same fate happened to us as did to the Turks - Spain gave veto on our entry.
AThompson: You are completely misinformed about the DS events. The biggest irony was that Slovenia hadn't been smelled for a year before the Swiss region occured and in a matter of days we were again important and were promised a lot of regions in Italy. The world of diplomacy is truly a peculiar thing.
Serbia did the same with the two countries that supported it the most. To an extent the "trade" they made for Bulgaria can be rationalized, though it is still not the way you threat allies and friends.
With Slovenia though, there is no rational, none for ONE to deny Slovenia membership as it gave such to Sweden and now Indonesia and even less for Serbia. Unlike Bulgaria you decided to forgo the bitterness and to not stand up for yourselves, it's your choice, but when you've been sold successfully once, you're always going to be on the market after that.
ONE supremacy will end sooner or later, even if it is not right now, then I'm sure you yourselves know fully well who will be sold first.
I wont jump in to any conversation here.
But this kind of articles and some ideas about attacking Poland, joinin other alliances like even EDEN/Terra and so on also dont help our relationship with Serbia or even joining ONE. But hey, thats my oppinion.
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As I said, I'm in ONE, and you are not. : ) Since I'm not lying, you might have theories about stuff, but I have facts.
There were never a voting about Slovenia and Turkey, besides of this neither Poland, nor Spain were against your entry.
What is the irony of that? You had an occassion to show that you can sacrifice 20% bonus for your 2nd biggest friend for 1.5 week and to show you really wanna help ONE, but you didn't even try to cooperate, but all since then you are bitching about how Spain rejected your entry. : ) This is ironical.
You are two clicking on your mini empire because you want to do anything. Since January there were 2 occasions when Slovenia started to do smth, except helping her allies.
I remember when you was left on one region Slswig and something, I dissolved comapny and come to try to prevent you from deleting, zoomenager was giving his weapons too, but we lost...
that was the game we loved, now is just everyone looking for his ass....
sad for the game...
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MCMOOX je bio ovde!!!!
Serbia has betrayed almost all of its allies for sake of Poland
I was informed by Kistru that Poland and Spain were against it.
Hungary showed its real face when you were prepared to leave Slovakia the German regions and demanded that we let go of the Swiss region. Regarding Slovenia's two click, you are right, but I am not the one that wants this or supports it.
pa kaj vam ni jasno? Ne rabijo nas in kaj se tolk silimo nekam no....
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nimnul
maybe allies who first ask for gold and then hit for us
Kistru was last active before the formation of ONE, in February. Because of this I doubt that he could provide any info about the situation after the formation of ONE.
Hungary asked you to lend on region for 1 week, till she manage to make another bridge. 🙂 Your government rejected to lose 20% bonus for 1 week for a friend, which would meant ~5kk dmg daily for you.. : ) After this Hungary left you alone, without a word. I think if it is her true face, we don't have any problem.
AThompson: I know what I was told. Clueless and Kistru, both were at the time ministers of foreign affairs in Serbia, promised that Slovenia will 100% be included in ONE.
So if a minister of any country promise something, the ONE should make it real?O_o
Slovenia is left out from what?
You have all Mpp's with countries of ONE.
You are shield from all sides except Croatia,what do you need more?
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we serbs are here for you as you can see :😁
Ohhh, i think i need Aspirine....
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Ice Killa you are wasting time with an old troll
I'm not old, and I'm not a troll. I just don't like desinfo. : )
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Neither do I, AThompson.
Well only thing I can say is that game/time changed.... For example you couldn't see not a single shout or comment by any player saying Cromania in any content in last half a year or so.... I wrote this as example because that is/was one of the biggest and most obvious friendships in this game.
Right now Slovenia is looking to much in the past. I really don't know if it is good or bad thing but you are left with Serbia and maybe 2 or 3 other countries that you can call friends....
In the end I will say this one more time. Game just changed in the way that countries don't really need to be allies in the way they were : /
well after reading this i have only ONE conclusion:
- the only thing serbs and hungaryans wanted from you is some help against croatia.
now they feel strong enough so they don't need you any more.
@staklar
We can say it like this too....
The only thing that you were good with Bosnia is because you needed their help to block Serbia if Serbia starts some attack. Now when you are on the other side of the world you don't need them.
Exapmles like this can go and almost never end. I am still of opinion that game changed in a way that bond like that don't even exist now.
it's obvious that Serbia tricked Slovenia and it makes me laugh when I see that you're still surprised by that XD
Slovenia is dying because of its passive game, but at least you're having tons of bonuses and dying happy 😃
zašto na silu želite biti dio nečega gdje vas ne žele : /
I perosnaly am happy where we are.
Not part of ONE so we can do what we want (not what other say) but still help our friends = )
its a shame what this game has become... nothing is like in V1... new ppl, new everytnig... i'd go back to V1, but noone cares what i want...
oh u croats, u such poor trolls... : )
Ice Killa, you are a fool...
You say many things without facts, I remember the time when your country rejected to give us one little region when our player supported you in keeping them. You say that with this we showed our true face and that we betrayed you. I say you something, Hungary gave up the best possibility for bonuses for your sake, the best way for hungary to gain bonuses is to crush down the slovenian empire, take some austrian regions and build a nice little empire to the west, we didn`t do this out of respect to the old friendship and we started a never ending war with Romania mainly because this is the only way we can go if we want to leave your country some bonuses, and after all this you are writing articles like this. You dont even deserve the protection of ONE. For the sake of friendship we moved on from the DS incident but reading your comments I believe that we made the wrong choice, I think that if Hungary is so selfish as you describe we should paint northern italy to green.
SzalayLaszlo: The first attack on Rhone Alps, that was at the time occupied by Poland, failed because of Hungary's greed, you wanted to get it. Now, don't get me wrong, but you are greedy.
In the time of being MoD I can say that we had good relations with ONE. Obviously, if I had to seek help I rather approached each country individually.
Serbs were the only ones who said they will send units without paying them. Do I need to say more?
Slovenia's daily orders are always in ONE battles and our MUs go and fight in RWs on govt orders. We don't really have to ask anything in return because we have no important battles like some ONE countries do.
The question is, will ONE come and defend our homeland when we get invaded? That's the moment when ONE will either pay it's debts or leave us behind.
@cen1
Do you know that paying for help is something that never happens anywhere else but ONE, so what you're praising Serbia for, is not a service but everyday thing with Bulgarians, Croats and so on.......
As for the "rhetoric" question, Latvia, Estonia, Mexico, Venezuela, Peru, Spain and now South Korea have the answer. You'll always be second priority, because it's rational to keep the strong strong to help the weak. But if the strong are always fighting to keep themselves strong they never get to the moment of helping the weak, then why should you fight for the strong?
It's a game, winning and loosing is not measured by the regions you own at any one time or the times you were deleted, but by the size of your balls, and the risks you dared to take in the name of having fun and trying new things. This is what we're here for, not to reproduce a rhoting RL political and diplomatic system, where the end result justifies the means. In a virtual game, wehre no ones live or livelyhood depends on it, the end can not justify the means.
Yes, it's obvious and natural that big countries will take care of themself first, rather than helping someone else in less important battle (in worldwide scale).
Let's not leave the impression that EDEN and TERRA are any diifferent. There is always some kind of prioritizing.
I want fight one more time in Prekumurje to stop Croats like it was... That was the game, that was frienship! Now? Who cares??? Not about frienship ofc, about game!
I see crying people... xD
NE TO HUNGARY \O/
I see a new alliance forming
Turkey, Slovenia, Hungary, Macedonia, Argentina, Brazil, USA, Croatia, Cyprus