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BAPS 😕= IF

For example, I knew nothing about this. IF is made up of a lot of different groups with the same ideals, it\'s unfair to think of us as a hive mind.

If that is so I only accuse all BAPS members

However, I must remind everyone the current president of Ireland, ImaNewbie is a prominent BAPS member

I left IF last week so stfu with the moaning, I like what IgorT stands for atm and he has my support. BAPS is not running for leadership of any party in these elections and as such is free to chose party and candidate.

I was stunned to see Igor getting 11 votes, one more than Patton.
Scored the equalizer, though 🙂

@Inquitus: you and Ciaran are a shame for all of us Irish. Grow up and act as men, dammit.

@Cormac I am free to join and vote for whoever. In case you can;t read, ImaNewbie of BAPS is not standing in any political position again, as such we have no candidate and will disperse and vote as we see fit.

I just want to say that this is the first that I have heard of this. I am no fan of BAPS.

@Cormac:No one is as surprised as me!!

Also I see that these ex-IF members are still in the party. I know that I got a lot of support off princess on the forums for my ideas and many in IF are unhappy with current leadership.

Is it possible that they like my ideals and have decided to change parties in support of me?

Well if this is the case I am happy to have you behind me.

However it looks like patton has gained the upper hand so...

patton: speaking of hypocrisy do you remember who tried to take over the remains of South Korea?

I have no real love for such \"politics\" as I consider this a mockery of democracy which in this game is really ill defined. But tbh I also can\'t tie them down and force them anything.
As Inqui said we no longer have a policy of support for either candidate. We are not a hive mind. People are allowed to do as they like.
Same thing is happening in IFP atm, people join the party only to vote. They even move to Ireland to join party and vote.

The line that was crossed by victor and his men during the previous month have created a bad precedent. While I would gladly see Ireland to return to the state from before that event it\'s impossible. Damage was done not only to our economy but also to the mentality of the people. They conduct travesties that they would not think about before.

Sadly, this is the new Ireland we have to live in. Hopefully we will make the best of it. But there is no real going back to what we had before as many changes are irreversible.

You are disgusted with it but knowing you as long as I do I can tell it is only because it concerns you and works to your disadvantage. It is sad that we can only see the \"evil\" of action if we are the ones slapped in the face. I guess this is why you had no problems with TA trying to take over SK.

Cormac what the hell did i do you dumbass?

Patton I see you revived your Girlfriend to vote lol

You bet I got her to. Inquitus this is a completely obvious attempt by you to kick me out. BAPS has always voted together and the fact that you came over with other BAPS members the day of elections is extremely shady at best. I cant believe your even trying to deny it

@Inquitus: I rest my case.

He explained himself patton yet your title still accuses IF of somehow masterminding an overthrow of you in your party.

cormac you still havent explained what i did.

Look I believe Inquitus when he says he has come in support of me. I do have a good relationship with many IF members.

However, I did not ask them to come and vote for me and if this is, which I do not believe, an attempt to interfere with our elections I know nothing about it and condemn it.

Patton cheated, he revived his own GF as he is afraid of losing.

3 BAPS people out of 30 or more have voted in this election, to try and say I orchestrated a takeover shows you for the fool you are. If I wanted to manipulate this election you would lose, there would be no debate on the matter.

As I have stated 3 BAPS members have chosen IUP as their new home, more may follow who knows it is up to each member to do as they please in this election and the General Election to come.

You whine like a child Patton, and as usual all your arguments amount to nothing...if this was a conspiracy you would have lost already.

BAPS members are free to join any party and vote as they choose.

Please stop this bickering over my votes. I would appreciate it if the mud slinging would stop. I am sure that both of you have done nothing wrong so I beg you to just stop.

You whine like a child Inquitus, and as always all your arguements amount to nothing........

Well eIRB leader and IRA War council member seems fairly revolutionary to me 🙂

Again, my opinion is that 1. patton most definately did not cheat. and 2. That Inquitus has followed me over. We have talked to each other on the IRC a few tomes and I found him to agree with most of my ideas.

1. 3 BAPS members are hardly going to influence the vote unless your members are generally inactive or the vote is split down the middle.

@ Patton

Quote \"No BAPS has moved from IF since they came here almost a full year ago.\"

Never before have BAPS stood no candidates since the 1st month we came to the game, it\'s clearly the 1st time we have had noone to vote for, as such people vote as they choose, and I chose IgorT.

With IaN stepping down from IF, seeing a new face in IUP would give Irish Politics a clean slate and a chance for a more consensus driven agenda.

10 days in september and you\'re already slitting each other\'s throats?

RupeTot if you knew the history of Ireland youd know this is a long standing feud between ideologies.

@RupeTot: We would gladly settle our differences to kick you out..

Ciarin couldnt have stated that better If I paid him too. This is a long standing feud and Inquitus has taken it to the next level to unseat me.

I\'d be more concerned with the split in the IR vote ending up in favour of Victor..

Hey guys guess what ? Another BAPS member, Clip has just moved from IF to IUP and voted for surprise, Igor.

That means IUP has had 11 new members just today. Now I dont know about you but 11 new members on election day sounds slighty suspicious

\"You bet I got her to. Inquitus this is a completely obvious attempt by you to kick me out. BAPS has always voted together and the fact that you came over with other BAPS members the day of elections is extremely shady at best. I cant believe your even trying to deny it\"

WTF are you talking about Patton, you know how many BAPS are in eIreland, How does 3 individuals moving to IUP make this a huge conspiracy, it\'s outbursts like this that would actually make some people want to move to IUP and Vote Igor, just look at the different approaches to both Leadership contenders in this thread, you are here slinging mud at BAPS (for the actions of 3 people) and at the same time causing damage to Igor should he win. You are trying to stop democracy by scaring people into not making a democratic decision to vote for who they like.

TBH, I really hope that Igor wins this election, the difference in approaches and ability to act diplomatically and not go jumping up and down at the slightest little thing is amazing. I hope more people will now Vote for Igor and he wins the election, having a solid and reasonable leader is very important. If more BAPS people come over it will be based on your reaction and actions in this Article.

Good luck to Igor, my have respect for you has grown immeasurably lately and should you win I may move over myself, unless Patton has some sort of problem with that??

People who arent very active and dont check the media may not have known that ImaNewbie had resigned and now are seeking a new person the lead ireland best they can, Igor has been campaigning actively and they may like what hes saying. Just a thought.

patton 11 new recruits today.
That is good no?

Also not all voted for me, a substantial number joined and voted for you just after you wrote this article. Also some of the new member votes went to neither of us, think looking at voting times and voting figures during the day...

@Ciaran:That is what I believe is the reason behind some of our new recruits voting for me.

patton, you are so screwed...
I already voted today, wish I hadn\'t. I would have temporarily joined IUP to help you...

LOL, we might see a mass IR exodus over to their man Patton now, go Victor, it\'s such a shame he\'s winning that election... 🙁

Will you be jumping up and down about that too Patton and shouting about conspiracies and the likes or will they be allowed to make their own decision to Vote for you??

Long standing feud and apparently a long standing tradition.

no matter what, the fact remains that 11 people joining is a little suspicous, and it is highly doubtful that all 11 happened to want to join IUP today. Question is - who is coordinating this(if, of course, thats not just a \"coincidence\")?

About 20 new people joined IUP by the end of the day and more BAPS arrived bring the total BAPS count to 6. Also in IF something screwed the election there. A guy who did not he even state his intention to run won the election agaisnt a good guy who has been actively campaigning