[IRE]Northern Ireland, who deserves it
shadowukcs
Dear readers,
Through my time as president in eUK, minister in eUK and later very often as mi6-director in eUK, I have dealt with a countless number of cases and people who wanted independence for certain regions in eUK (be it NI or Scotland) and every time I laughed with those ppl. I lauged because they didn’t understood the game mechanics and because they where plain retards. I was one of those ppl, who, like many citizens in eUK at this moment, believe that original regions should be kept and that NI belonged rightfully to eUK. NI was appointed by the admins as a region of eUK and should therefore keep being part of eUK. Period. No room for discussion.
To a certain extend I still believe that.
I have however changed slightly in opinion in the last weeks.
I’ve been hanging around on the eIrish forums lately (a very friendly and mature community, It’s certainly worth visiting their forum) and things on that forum and on their IRC have made me change my mind about my initial thoughts of keeping original regions to their respective original countries.
Back in eUK, NI was “just a region” like any other. They had their little fortress region in there (which is now wiped out and moved to London), but that was about all the region ever meant to eUK. It never was of any importance and eUK never really cared one rats ass for the region other than to have it. Like a kid having a toy it doesn’t like, but keeping it so that others wouldn’t get it.
Then a few weeks ago Norway swapped the region with Ireland and what I saw then is what made me change my mind. The Irish really cared for this region like no other country I’ve seen before.
Everyone one the Irish IRC and forums started a little party in the honor of the region coming back to them. They immediately started opening several discussion for placing a hospital there, started topics for a name chance of Ireland to “United Irish Republic”, they started contacting the citizens of NI and wanted to open a referendum for those citizens, they wanted to see how they could improve the economy of the region,…. And so on. It was actually (without sounding gay) kinda cute to see all this effort and joy being put in this new region.
I was surprised to see all this activity coming from a small, sleepy, community like e-Ireland. This activity also manifested in their defence in keeping the regions. They mass mobilized the country to move to NI, company owners upped their wages so that foreign fighters could get a better wage when they came to Ireland to help out, they send “thank you” notes to tons of soldiers from all over eWorld who came to their help,…
Never before have I seen a small country put so much effort in a worthless region and it was a nice thing to see.
I am still torn between my old principles that eUK should be given the region back because it’s their right and because they are entitled to it, or that eIreland should keep it because they actually care for it.
Who is entitled to Northern Ireland? It’s a tricky question and I honestly can’t give a clear answer to it. Both deserve it imo, eUK because of game mechanics, eIreland for the care they put in it. My opinion? At this moment, eIreland deserves it more. Maybe later it should be given back to eUK, but at this point, the Irish really deserve it.
Discuss
Greetz
shadow
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Uk
In my humble opinion, Northern Ireland has Ireland on it.
Ireland
Well put .....
As I said in the UK article:
"It is an original eUK region. End of.
Real life issues don't even come into it because if they do, it belongs to the UK."
Well put,
Honestly, I have written on this subject before. I feel that it would be great for Ireland and the UK to stage little fights over it. It would for sure gain a babyboom, although it would be of slighly agressive people, which could help both countries.
@ShadowUKcs:
"The Irish really cared for this region like no other country I’ve seen before."
What you seem to fail to understand, it seems, is that we Irish also care for our wee country. Every bit as much as the Irish of the Republic of Ireland.
What you fail to understand, it seems, is that we Irish want Northern Ireland to remain a part of the UK.
What you fail to understand, it seems, is that we Irish will fight to the bitter end for our wee country - and did so in the recent RW.
You may have hung around, and tried to emphathise with, people who are passionate about an all-island state (Republicans), including the romanticist North Americans. You may have understood it from your own perspective, prior to that.
But have you hung around with, and tried to empathise with, the (smaller number of) Irish people who want Northern Ireland to remain a part of the UK..?
We are just as passionate about our home as Republicans are passionate about expanding their territory.
God save the King.
Long live the Union.
Shadow is a butt.
Thank you for the kind words.
I'm sure the the Unionists will be in a tizzy, but who cares? Frak 'em.
Ireland for the Irish!
We should have the seventh region that has our name in the region title.
Very well put Shadow. I think that further relations between our two nations depend on our gracious attitudes at this point. We all had fun trolling and gloating and got a poke'in the eye. Now we need to resolve our differences and find a way to use them to our advantage.
Henry Black: I am referring to Northern Ireland ingame. What happens IRL is something so delicate I wish to stay out of. I can't make up from your post if you are talking about the ingame NI or the RL NI.
It belongs to Ireland end of
It should belong to the UK.
If Ireland were occupying it, think about the RL Northern Ireland players who join the game in their home region only to find out they are in enemy territory...
I know....let share it like a couple of divorced parents. UK gets custody for half the year, and Ireland the other half....
Next, we'll talk about alimony!
Blah blah blah. You guys have made yourself very clear on the matter there is no need to spam our media.
i would love Ireland to have it, but i don't belive we should go to war over it, if the UK want to give it to us, it would be nice
@Dash lol A joint custody arrangement? That's funny.
@Shadow You get it! 🙂 I'm so glad you do.
Éire Aontaithe!
A very interesting article, shadow. I appreciate that you take both sides into account.
My opinion: eUK deserves it. They won the war. Do I want them to have it? No. But I honor the rights of battle, and to the victor go the spoils. It was a great war, but the eUK won, and they get NI.
@ Shadow, thank you. Really, Go Raith Maith Agat. We had our fun, but you British won it back fair and square (even if you started the war before the elections were over). Now that we've tasted unity, though, we'll be vying for it again sometime in the future. When that day comes, may the best Irishman/woman win 😛
@ Henry, Why ever would you not like to be a part of eIreland? We're high on the craic, man.
@Tak178:
"I'm sure the the Unionists will be in a tizzy, but who cares? Frak 'em."
Selfish words.
"Ireland for the Irish!"
We have it, thanks. 🙂
@Dan Murchadh:
"We should have the seventh region that has our name in the region title."
We should have the six regions that have our name in their region titles...
@shadowUKcs:
"Henry Black: I am referring to Northern Ireland ingame. What happens IRL is something so delicate I wish to stay out of. I can't make up from your post if you are talking about the ingame NI or the RL NI."
Nor could I, necessarily, from yours. You are talking about your perception of how much "the Irish" care for the region of Northern Ireland, but yet you ignore how much the Irish of your own country - Irish people like myself - also care for it. I'm here to tell you that while we may be small in number and don't have the added numerical support of dreamy Americans and of anti-British eCitizens, we're just as passionate.
Do we not also "deserve it" because we also care for it?
Incidentally - I was never contacted with regard to any 'referendum'.
Don't get me wrong - it's good to look at and examine the opinions of others and your article has merit. But perhaps you should give credit where credit is due to ALL the Irish - not just to the Irish of one mindset to the exclusion of the others.
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@Robin Locksley:
"Why ever would you not like to be a part of eIreland? We're high on the craic, man."
I've always been part of Ireland... just not part of the eRepublic of Ireland.
Join us in the UK instead - it really is much better crack here. 😉
New Mexico has "mexico" on it - so what?
Lets flip a coin for it. It's the fairest method. We call heads.
"If Ireland were occupying it, think about the RL Northern Ireland players who join the game in their home region only to find out they are in enemy territory..."
We can argue the exact same, as Irish people who live in Northern Ireland aren't exactly Unionists.
"I've always been part of Ireland... just not part of the eRepublic of Ireland."
West Brit.
Frankly, as a heavily pro-Unionist in RL, the argument concerning the real region of NI is not even up for discussion.
As is the same with the eRepublik region. NI is an original region of the UK. End of argument.
I don't see any of you Republicans showing the same support and conviction for the likes of Serbia with Kosovo or Hungary/Romania with Transylvania.
It's called hypocrisy and you are knee deep in it.
Northern ireland was IRL kept by the UK due to it being mostly protestant and because the people of northern ireland wished to stay as part of the UK.
jus Sayin'
If ireland want it so bad how bout they just attack the eUK themselves
We don't directly attack, because we don't want to deal with Hungary, Serbia, and 12 year olds. I'm sure there's other reasons as well. I mean, we're not interested in much on the other side of the channel.
"In my humble opinion, Northern Ireland has Ireland on it."
New Mexico to Mexico then?
Anyway, this is a difficult discussion for many of us to have about this game, because RL often plays a part in our thought processes. Having been brought up in a Unionist family, but rejecting that ideology, I don't necessarily hold to the Republican ideology either, from the pure point of view that a United Ireland is not economically or socially viable at this point.
All of that is to say that in regards to RL politics, I regard myself as largely neutral. So anything I say here is (I hope) regarded as not being influenced by RL issues...
eNI should not be a part of eIreland, for the simple reason that it is not eRoI territory. If eIreland should choose to invade eNI and hold on to it, then it is theirs, but the fact that it has the name 'Ireland' in it, or because of certain RL issues, does not ENTITLE eIreland to possess the north.
What the eRoI needs to understand is that in order for there to be a united Ireland in this game, then they have to become imperial aggressors and attack the eUK. They also have to accept what consequences that may bring, and be willing to face such consequences.
However, I do like the idea of a unified British isles (name is debatable). Makes much more sense from a game perspective, but we know hardline Republicans who play this game will have none of it, and that is why eIreland will struggle to achieve much as a community in this game.
@Jacen Molare: We could always unite the British Isles under the Irish flag.
"However, I do like the idea of a unified British isles (name is debatable). Makes much more sense from a game perspective, but we know hardline Republicans who play this game will have none of it, and that is why eIreland will struggle to achieve much as a community in this game."
If it's under the IRISH flag, I would be interested, and I'm as hardline an eRepublican as you'll find.
I must point out that the Irish community has achieved more in this short space of time by holding and defending NI than it has in months. NI is a means for progression for us.
As such, our wish to have NI is not only for RL reasons, it provides us a medium for advancement that is more personal than the boredom of alliance politics.
shadow is a butt, jk 😛
Wow. I think I have reason to believe in humanity again.
Well done good sir, Vote and Subscribe. A true thinker.
Really good article its great to hear from someone without a closed mind on the subject.
Why is Northern Ireland an original part of the UK?
Because of a RL decision made 855 years ago and has been a constant argument ever since. So it is a RL issue that is unavoidable.
In 1154 England got it's first pope in 1155 that same pope gave the island of Ireland to England.
people like Henry Black hate catholics but at the same time if it hadn't been for the pope the UK wouldn't have thought it ever had a right to Ireland. you see the irony here.
Anyway in game I hope Ireland and the UK can return to peaceful relations but until NI is reunited with with the rest of it I can't see that peace lasting.
Absolutely beautiful article you really do understand motivation of the Irish people.
Niall, are you proposing that we purposely institute the eTroubles?
Hmmm...
@ Henry Black,
You sai😛
"We should have the six regions that have our name in their region titles..."
Does that include Dublin, Shannon, and Cork&Kerry?
DashRiprock ' I know....let share it like a couple of divorced parents. UK gets custody for half the year, and Ireland the other half....
Next, we'll talk about alimony! '
i agree with dash haha
fuck unionists if they want to live in britain they can fuck off across the e water. 32 COUNTY IRELAND ITS OURS
Frankly speaking, I feel that the Irish and the British both must put this behind them as a small cloudy day in a sunny year and move on. Ireland, as you said, displayed extreme happiness and delight at the unification and again, like you said, NI was nothing more to UK than a Q5 region. So, since the Northern Irish region is more symbolic to and valued by the Irish, it should belong to them.
Or even if it stays with the UK, Ireland must not damage relations and we must actually have the goodwill to move on and try and help each other. Who Knows? It could probably end up in a resurrection of Raleigh.
@Brian Boru:
"We can argue the exact same, as Irish people who live in Northern Ireland aren't exactly Unionists."
Yes - we are.
@Brian Boru:
"West Brit."
You say that as if you think it's some kind of insult. Besides, I thought that phrase applied to Dubliners, in particular.
@Robin Locksley:
"😉oes that include Dublin, Shannon, and Cork&Kerry?"
As they are part of the Republic of Ireland, then yes. 😉
(well spotted though!)
@Brian Og:
"fuck unionists if they want to live in britain they can fuck off across the e water. 32 COUNTY IRELAND ITS OURS"
But they generally don't want to live in Britain, Brian. They want to live in the United Kingdom.
Six county Ireland is ours.
(imagine if I'd ever said something like "fuck nationalists"! oh the outcry there'd be!)
@Santiago Hortez:
"So, since the Northern Irish region is more symbolic to and valued by the Irish, it should belong to them."
It does belong to us, as a part of the UK.
You still don't get it, do you?
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