[I&W] Possible PTO on GVD
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by Kixtart
Last night the Party President of GVD make an article about an possible PTO of his party by former BP members. Aren't there other parties to take over which are inactive?
The GVD is not the party we want to cooperate with as they have different opinions, but we think they have a right to excist. A party should disappear from the political front, when they are inactive or if they have really wrong opinions. NOT by a PTO.
In the UNL we always condemned political take overs from other countries. Not that is against the rules, but it's mostly not a fair takeover. The UNL is a democracy, if we dislike parties we fight them in discussions, we don't take them over!
Unfortunatley the LSD doesn't share that point of vieuw:
LSD supports for sure this PTO. If you are strong enough you will win. But if you are weak you loose. That is eRepublik.
We know both parties haven't been big friends, but LSD made a big mistake in this. Democracy is a large value, or do they don't think that anymore?
We also would like to know if this action is supported by the BP or if it's an action they didn't now about.
Deviltje
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I'm really wondering what the 'D' in LSD stands for now...
"diethylamid"
I am shocked by this lowly act. Truly shocked. I really hope this action was not supported by the main BP members. However seeing prominent BP members at GVD suggests otherwise.
And what is LSD thinking by supporting this? This maybe possible ingame, but the Cocoamok I knew would never support this clear sign of hostility. I do wonder what the reaction would be if BP (if BP supports this) "invaded" LSD...
seeing I'm a noob, I got a question about this article: wth is a PTO?😛
plus: yay for me becoming a member in I&W on day 664 of the new world!
Political Take Over. It means taking over a party/country by invading it with a lot of members and taking over key positions.
aah thank you🙂
but this places the whole of eUNL in another perspective, if BP supports this. if so, I hope they realize how wrong they are, cuz they're changing the identity of the country in a wrong way, so I hope they pull out of it asap.
Something said on IRC is taken as a fact 😉
Good for you! I&W surely likes to have hostilities going on for ever!
Fair and honest is the way I&W is acting 😛
@Deviltje: You better ask your friend spying on our private forum for real proof and publish that. Seems fair to me. Publishing private conservations is allowed by your respectable party. So please publish your proof.
@cocoamok: You said it here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/working-for-unity-gvd-in-danger-bp-members-planning-a-political-takeover-938992/1/20#comments" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/work[..]ents
Comment #2, between 2 comments of kixtart it says:
"LSD supports for sure this PTO. If you are strong enough you will win. But if you are weak you loose. That is eRepublik. "
Here's your proof.
It is not a real proof, it is what I have said, without consult of my party. Just to let others think it will be true. Just to make fun out of frustration I got.
But as is published on many places, the party president of LSD is only coordinating things, not the leader. You can see there also other comment from a LSD member, not supporting this PTO.
Deviltje can condemn me for this in the newspaper from I&W.
But he is blaming LSD for it... For that is what I want to see the proof. He has published before a part of our private forum, let he do that again.
@cocoamok: So, you spoke before your turn. You should not have said that if your party has not formed an opinion on it yet.
But I guess that's Democracy working for you, the leader speaks, the rest follows or gets PTOed.
@Cocoamok you as a public figure should know better then to just blurt things out like that. Your words have impact and you should act like it.
Thx for the support!
voted 🙂
You spoke in the name of LSD. You are the Party President and you used the LSD supports it. not I support it. it was a fuckup Cocoamok to express yourself using your party. you know it.
I fully support GVD but i am unable to help as otherwise i have to resign my candidacy. I encourage every member of I&W to help GVD by waiting with their voting to the last possible minute to see if they need it!!!!
Cocoamok made a cynical remark: "LSD supports for sure this PTO. If you are strong enough you will win. But if you are weak you loose. That is eRepublik."
This is sarcasm: With this remark she's saying that with all this distrust and bickering, she does not have fate our community any more. As it is sarcasm, do not take this remark literally.
For your information: A PTO is not what LSD wants. We may loathe the political ideas of GVD but we are not in favour of political take overs. (But maybe it's not a PTO and the former BP members joined GVD because they have given up on our union and CreveRoeland has always been in favour of independance for Wallonia? 😛)
@perry: well, it is hard to read sarcasm, so if it was, it was not obvious. Sarcasm mostly works in normal conversation where you can hear the voice, see the body language etc. So since it failed, we can take it literally 🙂
And if the BP members want to cooperate with us on an independant wallonia, then why run for PP? And why not join MIBelgium instead?
It wasn't one comment about it, so I don't really believe it was only sarcasm. I can believe that it wasn't the opinion of all LSD members.
lol, this thread gets more votes then gvd actually gets 😛
As usual its Iron and Wine who has to stand up and fight the corner against the establishment parties. This is their idea of union? Their idea of union is a witch hunt!
Your sentense is a bit strange. If you are talking about I&W then this isn't our idea of the union. We are not trying to make a witch hunt, but only addressing important issues here. We are not attacking anyone in the article.
eUNL is democratic, but aggressive takeovers are not part of it. In a union we must respect eachothers plans, opinions and ideas. It is possible that you don't agree, but a disagreement shoudn't be a reason to start to accuse and blame others.
Just went GVD and voted for Roeland, long live freedom!
"Your sentense is a bit strange. If you are talking about I&W then this isn't our idea of the union. We are not trying to make a witch hunt, but only addressing important issues here. We are not attacking anyone in the article"
It is unclear. I mean that Iron and Wine have to defend the principles of the UNL from the big parties. I mean that the conspirators in this case have a hypocritical view of the union, not Iron and Wine. Hope that clears it up.
I personaly would not take over the PTO. And conserning Coco being the only candidate of our party, see that as a proof that she does it well. All people are free to state their points of views and to comment them. Coco did so. And I can not blame her for that. The fact you are asking us to help you create a pure dutch party is just offending. I will NEVER support a party that wants to consist of one race/oppinion only.
Cocoamok, you have my support.
We also have belgians in the GVD. Yes, more then one. So you're missing the point there.
And a party with one opinion? what do you mean exactly?
" Something said on IRC is taken as a fact 😉
Good for you! I&W surely likes to have hostilities going on for ever!
Fair and honest is the way I&W is acting 😛 "
I only quoted what you said as comment on an article, never used IRC information for it.
But i have seen the articles where LSD states they are againts the PTO. I won't change this article for it, but it was nice to read that in the PTO we have the same opinion.
"Publishing private conservations is allowed by your respectable party. So please publish your proof."
I already said sorry last night when we talked on IRC for over an hour. I can't publish it as it private😉