[HoL] The Autopsy
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House of Lords
It was a vote that caused rifts amongst friends and ferocious arguments amongst political parties but the vote has been decided and the House of Lords is set to be abolished. The vote has thrice been before the House of Commons and all those times, it has seen support from a number of different powerful political members. Twice it was presented before the House of Lords and the Lords voted against the abolition. On the third vote, the Lords had no voice.
Of course, one must understand and respect the decision of all parties involved as and the rifts that were caused should be forgiven and forgotten. Although the decision has been made in principle, there is the opportunity for discussion about a number of problems; the number of absent Members of Parliament, the refusal to consider alternative means and the impact it will have upon legislation and, as a greater whole, the public.
The House of Lords was a political organisation or 'organ of the state' that was designed to assess and advise the House of Commons upon legislation that was passed unto them and then to vote whether to pass this legislation, at which point it carry the force of law, or to return it to the House of Commons for further discussion and review.
With its abolition, one must consider the impact upon legislation. The House of Commons is now the sole producer, regulator, and watch-dog over the laws that are passed. This is not a crime nor is it being suggested that the House of Commons only produces ill-considered legislation. Rather that perhaps it would be better to have a distinct group maintaining standards of quality, benchmarks against which future proposals could be judged. This is now lost. The House of Commons risks being seen as an unchecked organ that has no governing body. A legislative branch must be checked and balanced, and our legislators no longer have that.
The House of Lords was seen as an establishment of the 'elite', the top minds of the political world coming together to place their mark upon political history. There are alternatives to the House of Lords and it is important that we consider those with reason and logic. Just as the arguments of 'elitism' in the House of Lords add nothing to the debate, the argument that reform has been considered before is redundant. What has passed has passed. This is the present.
It has been proposed that the Government could award Lordships based on merit and service, and that that power could be checked by the House of Commons. This is not the only alternative. A number of politicians have proposed an advisory body or set of committees and this, like the reformation of the House of Lords, has its advantages. This committee could consist of both Lords and Commons, therefore drawing upon the wealth of experience and expertise amongst the members. It is possible to have committees based upon specific subjects and this could increase democracy within the United Kingdom as the public have the option to call for a public enquiry.
The House of Lords was not without fault. However, neither is the House of Commons. The number of absent Members of Parliament in a vital vote such as the abolition of the House of Lords suggests that it could be debated as to whether we, as the public, obtained a general consensus as to the views of Congress. Perhaps the government should have demanded the vote to be longer, and thus allowing enough time for the attention of all the elected Members of Parliament.
Was this the right decision? Was the abolition of the House of Lords actually what was needed? Or should we now try and rebuild what was once one of our most valued institutions out of the rubble created by rabble-rousing politicians and their false, hollow arguments against that which we need most, stable governance.
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A democratically appointed advisory committee will be appointed to maintain legislative integrity. Ex-Lords welcome to apply....just like everyone else. Must be a novel feeling, having to play on a level playing field.
it's really just a new HoL, just some other people but who picks the list?
Wouldn't a jury styled system provide a more democratic, open and altogether more "just" oversight: for, and by the people?
Knowledge of political machinery is by no means an advantage: with experience comes wisdom, but experience also offers cynicism, as well as dwindling turnout after the "novelty" has passed.
A jury system would also be relatively easy to implement, a simple PHP script could draw up /almost random\ numbers, which would relate to someones profile number, and then this group can pass their comments/verdict within a set time.
Granted it is by no means as quick as the HOL: but considering as the idea is to prevent "bad legislation" - isn't speed immaterial?
I support the prospect of having a democratically appointed advisory committee. Could you direct me to the public discussion (would it be Mr. Woldy's Legislative Advisory Committee?)
What is wrong with Party Presidents co-ordinating the activity within the HoC, and the public being the one to oversee the HoC's activity?
HoL loss the battle, no war.
😁same as wot Keers sed.
I will be laughing when the HoC fuck up and I am sure the ex lords will tell them to shove it up their arses 😃
Nice one wally 😉
@ Iain - I'm concerned - "A democratically appointed advisory committee will be appointed"? Not "is up for discussion"? Isn't it the HoC that decides, rather than you?
I consider it to be a positive move, but the the HoL should be replaced with two or three public servents with the same resposibilities.
I am pleased the HOLs has been abolished. I think te newwer system will be fairer and, i hope, will still ensure educated decisions will be made.
UKRP supported reform of the Lords.
Now it seems the Lords are gone, we support the idea of a committee of experianced players. They will be voted in my PM's, but the members can be removed by the public (and MP's if nessecary).
Iain Keers: Hear hear
For members of the public interested in possible reform of the House of Lords or the creation of a legislative advisory committee, please see the link below and add your support to this bill.
http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=19961&p=381245#p380963" target="_blank">http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/viewtopic.[..]80963
Absolutely nothing bad will happen due to this, so please dont worry about it.