Where do YOU stand on the EDEN issue?
Day 715, 13:49
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by Harrison Richardson
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The reason I ask is that when the Democratic Party came together to discuss whom to endorse in the November presidential election, all of the candidates’ policies were examined and debated. Far clearer than whom the party should endorse, however, was our stance an issue that has yet to be discussed on the campaign trail: joining EDEN. Almost without exception, the Democratic Party is against the US officially joining EDEN.
Because the candidates both have stated that they would likely join EDEN, their stance on the issue has gone largely unnoticed. The Democratic Party would like to call attention to this. It is one of the most significant, most clearly presidential choices that either candidate will make during their tenure.
Many people have said that it is time to join EDEN because we “owe them”. We owe them nothing. Now, hopefully the trolls will continue to read as I explain. Had EDEN helped us fight PEACE with the explicit expectation that we would join their alliance afterwards, we would owe them. Had they not had something to gain by pushing back PEACE (they were next on the chopping block), we would owe them. Had EDEN sacrificed territory directly in order to save us, we would owe them. None of these are the case.
Okay, you still think we owe EDEN? Fine. Here’s why we would help them, and ourselves, more by staying out of EDEN. Anti-American sentiment, rightly or wrongly, is rampant throughout the RL world and the eWorld. By joining EDEN, we discourage PEACE countries who dislike us from defecting to EDEN. Therefore, if our ultimate goal is antagonizing PEACE, we shouldn’t join EDEN. Many of us weren’t around to remember the mess that was the mega-alliance ATLANTIS. By joining, we would take the alliance one more step towards such a messy mega-alliance. If our ultimate goal is keeping EDEN strong, then we shouldn’t, well, join EDEN. As it is now, we have shown that we are willing and likely to help countries that have helped us in the past. Whether or not we join this alliance, our attitude towards EDEN will not change. The only thing that will change by joining is that we become trapped by a contract. By being held to a contract, we become less maneuverable and less able to satisfy the desires of our own country. A less maneuverable, less happy country is a weaker country. If we want to help ourselves, we shouldn’t join EDEN.
Game Mechanics like the Democrats are often criticized because people think that they argue that real life emotions and values shouldn’t factor in to decision making in eRepublik. This is untrue. Emotions and values have a place in the game. Game Mechanics in no way want to take away the joy of capturing Nunavut or the horror of being pinned in Florida. However, they do urge you to step back and look at the facts. The US already has the Brolliance, and it already has a great relationship with EDEN. Extremely large alliances have failed in the past, and the US will have to prioritize alliances with the rising MPP cost. What do we have to gain by joining EDEN? A pat on the back and a nifty flag. What do we have to lose? Gold, flexibility, happiness, and power. Therefore the Democratic Party cannot and will not support officially joining EDEN.
Article Credit: Mr. Hyphenated
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The reason I ask is that when the Democratic Party came together to discuss whom to endorse in the November presidential election, all of the candidates’ policies were examined and debated. Far clearer than whom the party should endorse, however, was our stance an issue that has yet to be discussed on the campaign trail: joining EDEN. Almost without exception, the Democratic Party is against the US officially joining EDEN.
Because the candidates both have stated that they would likely join EDEN, their stance on the issue has gone largely unnoticed. The Democratic Party would like to call attention to this. It is one of the most significant, most clearly presidential choices that either candidate will make during their tenure.
Many people have said that it is time to join EDEN because we “owe them”. We owe them nothing. Now, hopefully the trolls will continue to read as I explain. Had EDEN helped us fight PEACE with the explicit expectation that we would join their alliance afterwards, we would owe them. Had they not had something to gain by pushing back PEACE (they were next on the chopping block), we would owe them. Had EDEN sacrificed territory directly in order to save us, we would owe them. None of these are the case.
Okay, you still think we owe EDEN? Fine. Here’s why we would help them, and ourselves, more by staying out of EDEN. Anti-American sentiment, rightly or wrongly, is rampant throughout the RL world and the eWorld. By joining EDEN, we discourage PEACE countries who dislike us from defecting to EDEN. Therefore, if our ultimate goal is antagonizing PEACE, we shouldn’t join EDEN. Many of us weren’t around to remember the mess that was the mega-alliance ATLANTIS. By joining, we would take the alliance one more step towards such a messy mega-alliance. If our ultimate goal is keeping EDEN strong, then we shouldn’t, well, join EDEN. As it is now, we have shown that we are willing and likely to help countries that have helped us in the past. Whether or not we join this alliance, our attitude towards EDEN will not change. The only thing that will change by joining is that we become trapped by a contract. By being held to a contract, we become less maneuverable and less able to satisfy the desires of our own country. A less maneuverable, less happy country is a weaker country. If we want to help ourselves, we shouldn’t join EDEN.
Game Mechanics like the Democrats are often criticized because people think that they argue that real life emotions and values shouldn’t factor in to decision making in eRepublik. This is untrue. Emotions and values have a place in the game. Game Mechanics in no way want to take away the joy of capturing Nunavut or the horror of being pinned in Florida. However, they do urge you to step back and look at the facts. The US already has the Brolliance, and it already has a great relationship with EDEN. Extremely large alliances have failed in the past, and the US will have to prioritize alliances with the rising MPP cost. What do we have to gain by joining EDEN? A pat on the back and a nifty flag. What do we have to lose? Gold, flexibility, happiness, and power. Therefore the Democratic Party cannot and will not support officially joining EDEN.
Article Credit: Mr. Hyphenated
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pertamaxxx
hmmm...
Say No to EDEN
Join PEACE!
Hail PEACE !!
my diesel legs
you should see them
Lets Join PEACE 😛
Fair does. Awesome bum.
i wonder how many newspapers zoli is subscribed to
just for the purpose of trolling
Thats the awesomeness of the Broliance. No contract needed. We help each other because we want to.
we fight with them together each day, we have good contacts, we have a great military power together, so why not joining them? what will make the difference? We are EDEN if you look at how the relationship is between US and EDEN, Canada joined them too, and they are also Bro's, so why not?
You mean the USA isn't part of EDEN yet?
@Drago
All of them.
EDEN rocks, but I say we keep the USA on a strictly BRO-based diet.
You can hang out with your buds without having to move in with them, if you catch my drift.
You mean the USA isn't part of EDEN yet?[x2]
Good article. Pointing to France is a good way to show the problems with Mega Alliances.
What an @$$!
I'm not a fan of joining EDEN. We don't need another Atlantis.
I thought I was the only one that felt this way. Hm.
@Blue Holt: Including me, there's a lot of people who'd rather stay in the brolliance.
I say what we have now falls under the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" category.
I support joining EDEN.
Not a bad article. I actually really agree with this point. Brolliance is cool, and why bother joining EDEN? It would probably make things worse.
Anyone who is active on the eUS forums probably already knows my stance on EDEN and our official entry thereof, but for the record, I'll restate my position.
I oppose joining EDEN.
1. We're far more agile, flexible and approachable when we're not tied down by a charter that may or may not be ultimately beneficial to our country.
2. They already know that our goals match with theirs, why do we NEED to make it official? As long as they don't turn into yet another ATLANTIS, we'll still continue to be brothers in arms.
3. For those of us that feel like we "owe" them for fighting in our country, here's my reply. Israel, Central Greece, Croatia, Peru, Switzerland. Did we need to be apart of anyone's charter in order to help out those countries? Was not being completely tied down by the rules and regulations of a super alliance beneficial towards enabling us to help those countries? Yes.
4. Do we honestly have to go back over yet another ATLANTIS cycle? Have we REALLY not learned anything from our history? I'm sure there are those of you who will loudly proclaim that "Hey, different leadership, different times, different attitudes, different circumstances." Even PEACE probably started out with the express purpose of NOT being like ATLANTIS. Is that what you would like to potentially align yourselves with in a committed fashion?
5. Lastly, diplomacy. Our ability to hold discussions with neutral countries and neutral PEACE aligned countries is a unique ability because we can come to the table as a country that is NOT a member of EDEN. The Brolliance is something we should seek to expand instead, as we become closer tied to countries in the same way that we have with eCanada. eSwitzerland, eNK, eSK, all countries that sacrificed their territorial sovereignty for US. THOSE are the countries I want on my side. THOSE are real bros.
Sorry for the too long, didn't read. XD
i see no reason why we can't continue being an unofficial Eden ally.
"it's about what you do, not what you say"
As long as everyone agreed that PEACE is full of a bunch dirty rotten bishes ... it's all good.
+1
I agree with Harrison. We should focus on the Brolliance and stay super-close with EDEN and coordinate with their militaries, but it will not benefit us or them to officially join the alliance. I hope the Presidential candidates take notice if this.
i think zoli is onto something. since as you say there is some anti american sentiment in game joining peace would force those anti american countries to join with EDEN!
mission accomplished! 😛
im diggin the brolliance,and i agree with Blue Holt.
We join EDEN, because a formal alliance brings with it benefits and responsibilities an informal one does not. EDEN is not ATLANTIS, any more that the PEACE of today, with its bloated, sprawling empire, collapsing Indonesia, expansionist, greedy members (Russia, Serbia, the ridiculous UK), is the PEACE of six months ago, so that argument doesn't fly.
Besides, the EMC avatar is cool.
Let EDEN be EDEN, and BROs be BROs. We are all going to have each others' backs against PEACE anyways.
We're joining EDEN! Both presidential canidates want to join EDEN. Fact! Its going to happen.
Verrry niiice.
No matter what you choose, US, you'll always have your Bro's in Canada to back you up
I am a Romanian and I also believe USA shouldn't be 'forced' to join EDEN. It's your choice, nobody should enter the alliance if not 100% dedicated. We can still have very strong relations without a contract.
This doesn't mean however that the 'Allies' shouldn't have a permanent common military leadership, at least for as long that the PEACE threat will exist.
As for what USA owns EDEN, the answer is Independence. The same is true backwards ( all EDEN countries owe their independence, at least indirectly to USA support ). The game is so balanced, that without the existing unity among the 'Allies', none of them would be free in the face of PEACE hordes.
Do you really want to be in the same alliance as eRomania? Come on...have some pride and patriotism
"Had EDEN sacrificed territory directly in order to save us, we would owe them. None of these are the case. "
Remember Norway? Or Spain? North Korea sacrificed themselves too.
You do have a point though that it may be not the best thing for USA to join Eden, as we have same goals and we are very similar, but the informal union of the Brolliance and Eden seems to work perfectly, as long as you have some responsibilities towards the functioning of these two systems, like financial aid. To me, this article seemed a little arrogant.
You should not join Eden.
I can't believe you are saying that you don't owe Eden...
Unsubbed
Americans being Americans,thats what i see...no one said that you didnt help or that you *owe* something to EDEN countries.But this whole maneuverability point also seems a bit like,hey we can change *sides* anytime we want.The last was a direct insult btw to the authour.
Allies with EDEN - Yes
Join EDEN - No
There may be something to "we owe them", but we don't have to join them to repay them, or to work with them.
@Giannis. No, the maneuverability point/owed point was pointed more towards *eAmericans* who have made that point, not that it was implied that anyone in EDEN had said so.
Our main gist here is simply that in order to repay EDEN, we don't have to be locked into a charter to continue doing so.
No one has said or even implied that EDEN has said that we "owe" them. Instead, a few of our own eAmerican public figures have said it.