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I personally support Phoenix, but we should see what is better for New Zealand. I think PHX is alright so far!

Did we join PHX? I always miss the forum votes🙁

Strange...I can't find the thread....

Isn't our closest and largest Phoenix neighbour, Indonesia, currently losing territory to the Eden nation of USA?

Vote for article, i liked the idea of it, but...

Let's leave PHX and Eden without us. eNZ should be neutral. If someone wants to fight with Eden or PHX - welcome, it's a personal decision.

And "taking orders from foreign country" is really funny to mention now, when New New Zealand supported Calbe.

Who we were before. eAmericans, eCanadians or eSerbians - doesn't matter because now:

we are all kiwis...

We are ALL KIWIs....

I ll fight Serbia, Malaysia, EDEN, Phoenix. Whatever it takes, for eNZ.

@Crusadercarl : no we did not, but we have MPPs with some phx countries. if we are all kiwis, we fight for the kiwis, for the training of our national forces whether it is PHX side or EDEN side

"I ll fight Serbia, Malaysia, EDEN, Phoenix. Whatever it takes, for eNZ"

well said 🙂

kowalski_afc : thanks! i wish i am wrong. i am not painting all eSerbians with the same brush, every one have the right to be different, but we are all united.. we are all kiwis give the sense that we all shall be the same... we should not be the same.. we are multi-cultural, multi-linguist society but united in our eNZ

Kowaski- the article never said anything even near to, 'we should join x alliance'.

In reference to your 'we supported calbe' defense, what we are referring to is how you guys have shown so far in your hearts you are more loyal to eSerbia than you ever will be to eNZ (belong to a foreign militia, use eSerb flags in your articles even though you relentlessly keep bleating 'we are kiwis' when you are the only group NOT following your own declarations) even some in your own party have literally said they are more loyal to eSerbia. (I can show evidence if need be)

It's okay to say if you really mean it (CDV for example) but you are pissing everybody off immensely if in the very avatar next to your words you wave the eSerbian flag and belong to a foreign militia with foreign interests.

@Voice. Sorry, i was just taking a stab at the first comment bro. I thought it was a good article and sorry for accidentally taking the comments off in a tangent.

I am personally finding it hard to fight for a PHX country though, u are right. After the CP elections, I'll join the Army and fight wherever ordered. Promise.

Gaius Marcus
So many words and you didn't even look avatar, mate... Get back to reading of my comments (and not only this one), my newspapers and take a look at my avatar once again, closer.
And i mean very close.
And then, take a look of some articles which are describing WE (aka White eagles) and who were or who is right now the member of my unit.

After you make this homework, come back and make comment.

@Crusadercarl: no need, your comments and question was good and relevant. yes there is psychological barrier, but 80% of overcoming it is to be aware of it,, and i see that self-awareness is a good value that you have, and i hope i will be like you when it comes to real business (in my case fighting against PHX, against my ex-friends, especially against France... ah it would be hard!!))

btw... where is Adam "Troll" Reese... he did not appear hear yet, that worries me...!!!

"Gaius Marcus
So many words and you didn't even look avatar, mate... Get back to reading of my comments (and not only this one), my newspapers and take a look at my avatar once again, closer.
And i mean very close.
And then, take a look of some articles which are describing WE (aka White eagles) and who were or who is right now the member of my unit.

After you make this homework, come back and make comment."

I'm not talking about you in particular, so don't get excited there. xD I'm speaking of the NNZ (serbs) as a whole.
And the points I've made (perhaps not the one about the militia as I admit I haven't done too much research into that one and the militia you belong to might not even be the main one most of the serbs belong to), but all except for perhaps that one, stand very strongly.

I was going to edit my post anyway to make it less aggressive but you responded too quickly..Regardless, there are many things the NNZ can easily do as a whole to end this.

In response though..why do you never see any articles except for 'serbian' articles with the serb flag, and nationalism for their old country? You'll never see anybody putting a Mexican or an American flag in their articles, now will you? Everybody else has dropped their pasts behind except for the former eserbs.

We are ALL KIWIs....

I ll fight Serbia, Malaysia, EDEN, Phoenix. Whatever it takes, for eNZ. x2

@Gaius Marcus
"You'll never see anybody putting a Mexican or an American flag in their articles, now will you? Everybody else has dropped their pasts behind except for the former eserbs"
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Even if that is true it doesnt seem that other people has "dropped their pasts".

They can be foreign spies who has infiltrated in our ranks in order to make as all eSlaves.

I have some odd feeling that aliens are behind everything.

Gaius Marcus
"In response though..why do you never see any articles except for 'serbian' articles with the serb flag, and nationalism for their old country? You'll never see anybody putting a Mexican or an American flag in their articles, now will you? Everybody else has dropped their pasts behind except for the former eserbs."

Yes, we are proud people. But, if someone doesn't put the flag in article, that doesn't mean anything. Or even if someone put the flag.
You can't erase someone's 300 or more days of playing at one side. We have friends, we are connected. But, that doesn't mean that the same person which put for example serbian flag won't do more then the one without any flags, right?
Not connected to you, but i have a feeling that everyone here accuse serbians that we are PTOers without any good reason. Just because we came.

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No Serbian, no American English. Favourite, colour, pavement, spoilt, learnt, sawn, shall, the date today is 3/11/10, biscuit, whare, haka etc. Unless you have a skeleton in the cupboard then this is just a drop in the ocean - refuse this and you could be throwing a spanner in the works. If Serbians can learn English as well as being able to write in cyrillic and latin script, then us English speakers can learn NZ English.

I will fight wherever NZ legal government orders me this is clear, and should be clear for all in NZ army...

but I wont vote your article...

you cant talk about people refusing to fight with PHOENIX meaning that they want to fight for EDEN when the only MPP we have are with PHOENIX. You can say that people dont want to fight at all for the moment.

We are all Kiwis... everybody tries hard to feel like a kiwi in less than a month and you want people to start flying? Be patient. Cooperation in a neutral state will bring friendship and friendship will make everything possible.

@wars 7, no we do not support or not any side over the other, i just critisize those who did not forget about their ex-affiliations, and are not fully kiwis

@wars 7. LOL, why would eUSA continue onto eNZ, what a noob comment.

Nice threat though, really well thought out. I have one for u wars 7, if by some miracle eUSA continues through to poor little neutral eNZ, well I can't beat all of u, but i can sure as shit thrash u everytime Bro😛

This article is moronic, almost everyone here emigrated from another country, there's only a handful of actual RL NZers here, get over it, the Serbians have as much right as anyone else to be here. As long as there doing things legally, I have no problem with them.

wars 7
Are you reading comments or you are just trolling?

Read again, you want to attack neutral country? Probably you will win.

But, we won't give up. I promise you that we will all fight until last gold and last health.

@John: is there anything against serbians,,, this "moronic" article about every one who have loyalties above eNZ. Serbian, American, Canadian (i named these, but it is not limited to them) PHXians, EDENians.. whatever...

the real question why do you feel particularly concerned

Do I even have to say anything anymore about voice that hasn't already been established?

hoooray!! Adam is here... though his dictionary of insults seems to be exhausted 🙂
i like how sure he is, looks like he own the truth

I didn't even say anything insulting, voice. If you want to read it that way, that's your problem.

To be fair Adam, i believe u insinuated that Voice being a moron is an established fact.

Your words, CC, not mine. I didn't say anything.

Vote for article, i liked the idea of it, but...

Let's leave PHX and Eden without us. eNZ should be neutral. If someone wants to fight with Eden or PHX - welcome, it's a personal decision.

And "taking orders from foreign country" is really funny to mention now, when New New Zealand supported Calbe.

Who we were before. eAmericans, eCanadians or eSerbians - doesn't matter because now:

we are all kiwis... x2

The article actually like 'we should join eden/phx', zoom.

And people seem to react better to quotes/pictures I've found than well-written arguments..😛 (JK)

So, quote of the day, as far as 'serbian loyalty' goes:
some serb with the serb militia avatar who LIVES in NZ wrote: Vote

We are too weak too fight against EDEN, we can fight 1on 1 with evreybody but 2.5( hungary, indo) against 15 is really hard.
I am not underming others, like France, Bulgaria,Russia, Turkey and so on but you are so few that you all make the damage of GROM.

But we are PHOENIX, and WE WILL RISE AGAIN

What does that have to do with loyalty towards eNZ, Gaius Marcus? It's pretty obvious he's talking about eSerbia, but that has nothing to do with eNZ, so it's not really a big deal.

If you're saying no one should want to join either super alliance, I could agree with that. But, there are still people that want us to join one. To deny that is to deny what we're facing as a neutral nation even within our own borders.

So, there are going to be people like that. We just have to show them where they are now, instead of trying to push them out when they say things like that.

The point I'm making has nothing to do with wanting to join either super alliance, the point I'm making is said person and many other former eserbs still see themselves as eserbs and not as ekiwis. Which is a complication to unity and cooperation.

Why would an eKiwi of eNZ, a neutral (non-aligned) nation, say "We are PHOENIX" for Christ's sake? (Seriously you're not going to find a more blatant post than that regarding the current issue with unity, etc) In other words he and many if not most of the former eSerbs in the NNZ party still see themselves as eSerbs, despite relentlessly bleating "we are all kiwis now".

The overall point I'm making is unity as a nation (vital to our future and current prosperity and growth) cannot happen until the former eSerbs live up to their own recent political rhetoric ("we are all kiwis now") and leave behind their old allegiances/old nationalism. Yes, the former eSerbs aren't the only ones, admitedly, there are surely others besides former eSerbs who haven't dropped old allegiances/biases (CDV and Myles articles for example, unless they were meant to be sarcastic/make a point or something obsecure like that). I also hope to make it clear I'm not fully "blaming" former eSerbs for our current disunity, though they do undeniably control half of the congress, and represent a large portion of the community, and it's absolutely necessary they, or rather WE all work toegether for a better eNZ.

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http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-1562165/1/20

Yea..seriously..😑

Looks like I was wrong, there is a more blatant post/comment than the one I found..

Who cares about patriotism in a game? As long as he chooses the actions that best support us, you shouldn't care what he wants to do.

Most eSerbians are Serbian IRL, and they will show loyalty to their affiliated e-nation. Just like almost anyone in this game will show a natural inclination to show affection towards their place of birth.

Again, it's just a game. Get over it.

@Adam: it is a Game. we can be enemies of our IRL nation in this game. IRL we all belong to the world, ultra-nationalism is an idea of the 19th century.. we are in the 21th may i remind you!

...Wait, what? Why are you talking about ultra-nationalism? If you're equating that with how eNew Zealand is acting, I would slightly agree, but at the same time I would not think it was going to the extreme that true ultra-nationalism would be. After all, we are not living through our eRepublik characters, and as such we can not be truly effected by what is going on.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic about it, though. It is difficult to read sarcasm through text unless you make it very apparent. But, as it stands, there is nothing about eNew Zealand that can draw comparisons to the IRL New Zealand other than the name and location.

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And yes loyalty does tie in with whats best for eNZ; if the mentioned people in question choose to fight for Serbia when eNZ needs the damage, then eNZ suffers. As simple as that.

And I'm sure you like to admit when you're wrong, Gaius Marcus? Not that I am, of course. You're just being melodramatic because you think it sounds better than the truth, which is no one has any true loyalty to eNZ.

'no one has any true loyalty to eNZ. '

Ah...Kia ora, my names Crusadercarl, RL Kiwi that has waited for a year for eNZ. Have u met Jackal, Calbe, CDV, & Spud. Yeah...they also been waiting a while. If u want true loyalty to eNZ then look for those that have waited their whole elives for this.

Crusadercarl, I have said it in my shout. I think the fact that you're a RL kiwi means NOTHING in this game. This is eRepublik, not Earth. Your real-life affiliations are of no concern to me or anyone.

Your loyalty only extends to the RL New Zealand. The only similarities you can draw on to compare to the two are the name and location. Nothing else.

Last time I checked, the majority of RL New Zealand wasn't taken up by Americans, Serbians, and Australians, now was it?

"no one has any true loyalty to eNZ. "

i have true loyalty to eNZ.

Anyone can say that they do, voice. That's not the point I was making. Also, going "NUH UH!" to my argument is not exactly a strong counter to it.

what argument? you do not have any! you have assertion that have no power

"no one has any true loyalty to eNZ."

what support you have for your assertion?

Because you could have said the same thing about where you were before coming to eNZ, yet you left that nation.

Also, since it's just a game, those feelings of "true loyalty" will fade the second this game is gone.

So, yeah. There is no such thing as "true loyalty" when circumstances can change such a thing, especially in a game.

it is a game. True loyalty is to where you are actually in ... none said that True loyalty never changes

I don't believe there is such a thing as "true loyalty".

depends on your own concept of true