USA and the ATLANTIS problem (war games postponed)
scrabman
First, I need to inform everyone that War Games that were scheduled for tomorrow will be postponed until Tuesday or Wednesday due to current military situations happening around the world that require attention. I have deployed our Marines and advanced National Guard units to assist (not in the coming war between Sweden and Germany ... we are remaining neutral in that conflict).
Second, recent events have caused me to seriously consider our place in the world after the PEACE seizure of Romania's high iron deposits last week in Podolia and WSR. Our own loss of a huge battle in FER has caused me to seriously evaluate our world status. Clearly ATLANTIS has been on the decline and has been ineffective in dealing with PEACE. Romania has been the real muscle behind ATLANTIS and now that they have gone turtle that leaves us at the disposal of PEACE without sufficient organization and military resources to be effective on the world stage in protecting our sole remaining iron source in Spain. If PEACE were to secure all of the iron sources that would be the endgame for the rest of us. My Deputy Secretary of State, Harrison Richardson, recently wrote a short article explaining our place in this conflict: here
Thus it is time for us to consider who our allies are both from the perspective of military as well as economic and diplomatic considerations. That puts Sweden in the camp of necessary military alliances meaning that we have to take their side in this unsavory attack on Germany. The primary justification that I had before, aside from my personal friendship with the German President, was that Germany was a provisional member of ATLANTIS. However, I have now resolved that we cannot continue to prop up the floundering ATLANTIS alliance. Thus, considering that Sweden has been our ally for much longer than Germany and is more crucial to our domestic and world security, I have the difficult and uncomfortable decision to side with Sweden in their upcoming attack on Germany. Though, as I said above, we are not sending troops there and are officially neutral under existing ATLANTIS terms. This is by agreement with the President of Sweden and the MoFA of Germany.
I make this decision in my capacity as President of the United States. Of course, this does not mean that the citizens of the USA must agree with me nor act at my direction. When Sweden attacks Germany it will activate our MPP with Germany and I can't stop the citizens from fighting in defense of Germany. Our long term goals will be better served by aligning with military powers such as Sweden and Switzerland. I do this in the interests of national security as well as for the purpose of ensuring our financial interests overseas. The State Department is exploring our options for a post-ATLANTIS existence (or possibly for a reformed ATLANTIS). This is a step that I'm moving forward with as the Nation's Chief Diplomat. Of course, Congress retains the power to vote on treaties, MPPs, and peace or war declarations.
I expect that my decision and efforts to move in this direction will be met with a mix of resistance and praise. I have delayed making this type of decision but I have come to the conclusion that we need a strong alliance that is capable of standing up to PEACE and is not obsessed with talking things out and meticulously over planning and failing to synchronize in time to respond to threats. We need an alliance that will be better able to respond to the types of tactics that PEACE continues to use so effectively against the ATLANTIS nations.
It certainly helps that I have served as President these last 8 weeks and have developed the stability to deal with these matters with an experienced cabinet and a good relationship with the military and many world leaders. My concern is that we need to start this process now as I do not think that a new President will be the right person to deal with these matters nor do I think that we can afford to wait. Based upon the intelligence that I have received I have reason to believe that PEACE is on the move and will continue to consolidate their power in leaps and bounds unless we can halt their progression. This week marks the first steps that we must take and cannot hold off any longer. Each week after that will test our mettle and resolve against the PEACE desire for world domination. This weekend starts the first steps to a new world.
I return to Machiavelli once again:
“A prince must imitate the fox and the lion, for the lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves. Those that wish to be only lions do not understand this. Therefore, a prudent ruler ought not to keep faith when by so doing it would be against his interest, and when the reasons which made him bind himself no longer exist. If men were all good, this precept would not be a good one; but as they are bad, and would not observe their faith with you, so you are not bound to keep faith with them.”
“There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things.”
Comments
First!
This was a tough decision Scrab. Thanks for giving us your reasoning.
interesting....
wow, this may sound sick, but can we fight on Sweden's side when the war starts?
I wouldn't want to waste the opportunity to train, and if Germany must fall, then should we not prosper to protect the new order of things? 8o
of course...
dissapointing
Excellent.
You need to stay as the President for a couple more terms until we can afford to have a different president.
Tsc tsc.
hm... hard choices i see.. atleast your doing the right thing and making a decision that will help all of us and not just a few.. this is very good to see, im glad my vote wasnt wasted when i voted for you 😃
Scrabman, you are a moral failure. Shame on you.
But look at what the demands they want are, look at how they go about demanding them without any compromise, what about our friends who defend us like Spain and the UK, where are you when we are needed most? Time, that is what it came down to with your decision, who has been around the longest, not who has tried the hardest?
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decisions between "sucks" and "sucks" are always hard.
scrabman, "PEACE desire for world domination"? What are you smoking, man?🙂 It was Atlantis that started that crazy expansion, if you are not aware. Just look at the MPPs active in all the wars. PEACE has not attacked the original regions of the countries they waged wars with. Romania, USA, Spain, UK, Sweden, and Canada did. All Atlantis members last time I checked.
@Chicco ... "Politics have no relation to morals."
I'm not here to be your friend. I'm here to do what is best for my nation and my citizens to the best of my ability. I have worked very well with many leaders and don't think that I take this step alone without having consulted our other close allies. I'm not the idiot that many want to make me out to be.
Scrabman, are you really giving in to this blackmail from Sweden? I am very disappointed.
I urge all citizens to fight for Germany. Fight for what is morally right!
For the love of whatever freedom is left in this world, don't watch these imperialists march through our land!
-Elisa Vorimberg
german minister of foreign affairs
What pains me most is that the US has decided to invoke a political war against Germany. Instead of retaining neutrality which I could have respected, they decided to fully declare war even though MPPs will activate in our favor.
If you really do consider us friends, then don't word it as such a painful choice and then choose a side. Neutrality we could have lived with, but this? This means you're declaring war on us by siding with them. Unless of course you wish to redefine that.
Sweden gives us terms that we cannot accept, they have failed to be diplomatic in any shape or form and have thus failed to show themselves as a respectful nation. I'm sorry but no, I find this out of taste as a citizen of eGermany. This only means you would rather see us dead then to recognize the actions that Sweden has caused.
I expected more out of the United States, I was hoping that a sane decision could be made, but even now I recognize that fear will ultimatley destroy Atlantis.
I'd rather not have the swedes pull us around by our noses with the "Do it or we're not friends anymore" threat.
See: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sweden-ruled-by-3rd-graders-declares-self-to-be-rubber-germany-to-be-glue--803136/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/swed[..]/1/20
Summary of th article: How to backstab and make someone else guilty for that
Read this yanks-comments too! And make sense if you can.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-swe-the-truth-about-the-sweden-germany-conflict1-803097/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-swe[..]/1/20
scrabman i think you made a huge mistake here, sweden is not what it used to be. Real strength would be to officially help germany, its not the germans that are killing atlantis its sweden with their stuck up ignorance.
If it's a mistake then I'll own it. BTW, I did not say that I'm deploying our military to Sweden.
Then you are declaring neutrality on the matter?
@scrabman.
It is good to know you are not deploying the military, but Sweden is the country in the Wrong here. From all the forums I visited and articles I read, Sweden has required Germany to pay money for land reparations (threatening war), and does not want Germany to become an Atlantis member (something we could really use right now with the fall of Romania). German soldiers fought bravely on the front lines of Podolia and West Siberian region. It is a shame that we must repay them this way. When German MPP's are activated I encourage all citizens to fight for Germany, I know I will.
Every American, side with Germany. I just hope the citizens will be able to stop the American army doing any damage.
Mr. Scrab ... I .. admire.. your... Vulcan balls.
Do what's best for your country first. Kirk out.
Im deeply saddened to see Scrabman once again disgrace the nation of my eBirth. Every single plan he makes is full of FAIL and why he got elected can only be chalked up to USWP zombie voters.
Seriously, Leave Atlantis? Didnt you rail against it? Call it foolish before? Now that its not Sam in charge, it suddenly becomes an option? You've lost what little spine you had Scrab and you might as well finish selling the eUSA to PEACE.
The Romanians have it right, Fighting against cheaters and exploiters is worthless. However they at least have some form of honor left.
"The State Department is exploring our options for a post-ATLANTIS existence (or possibly for a reformed ATLANTIS)"
Some foreshadowing?
There are no easy answers in this one. The fact is that new alliances will be made and old ones will disappear. With Romania gone it is a whole new world.
It seems to me that the side playing SimPolitics is going to lose to the side playing Risk every time.
How does one combat the Risk player (PEACE) with such an admirable level of organization and the willingness to commit significant RL resources to their cause?
I think the only way would be an alliance with executive power over a large number of subsidiary nations. That is an electable executive body that has the authority to organize and command its member nations.
Additionally, that body would have to have more members, more raw power, than PEACE simply because I don't foresee us spending RL cash.
Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No.
Nonetheless, we need an empire to rule over our nations or we will be unable to compete as long as PEACE stays united.
I love you Relorian. Now, why don't you STFU and get back to whatever it is you do in this game ... besides annoying people. I've always acted in the best interests of my country and have not tried to enhance my own gain or ego.
"Whosoever desires constant success must change his conduct with the times." - Niccolo Machiavelli
ATLANTIS is dead. That's the reality of the situation. And again, I am not sending troops to either Germany or Sweden at this time. They are going elsewhere.
I am going to spend every dime I have to defend Germany, regardless of policy, circumstances, or situations. That is what we COMMITTED to.
I appreciate your support, Scrabman, I really do. Sweden will remember this for a long, long time. Thank you.
@Elisa Vorimberg & everyone who yell "This is moraly incorrect!!!1one!1":
_This_ _is_ _a_ _game_.
@ Kalle Holm, Yes it is a game but it is also a political game, which I am sure you are aware of. If someone decides that this is considered to be immoral for game standards then that is their right. Regardless, being that it is a political game we need to keep some form of seriousness within it.
Not sure if that qualifies for 95% of the people in eRepublik though.
Game or not, this choice is significant to how it's going to be played in the future.
Now is the opportunity to act for change and stand our ground, lest we become ashes and dust.
@Kalle: I've said nothing about morals. I've said that we need to stop this continued action of bending to "allies" that attempt to coerce the US into action by threatening to sever ties with the US.
From the history I've read, neither eSweden nor eGermany are winning any moral purity awards here. No one is in the right, there are plenty of offenses to go around. In this difficult situation, the eUSA President has made the best decision with the long-term view in mind.
The USA is official going to be neutral in the Sweden-Germany conflict as agreed between the Presidents of USA and Sweden and the MOFA of Germany.
For shame.
Mr. President, you realize that we are going to fight for Germany regardless of your opinion in this matter.
As I looked at all kinds of articles on this GER-SWE matter, I realized that it's hard if not impossible to decide who's right and who's not. Maybe, if we knew exactly what kind of negotiations were going on between the two countries prior to threatening with war. But Germany says Sweden didn't want to negotiate seriously, Sweden blames Germany for not accepting anything. So I don't know, being neutral is the best the eUSA can do. I agree with scrabman's decision.
"test our metal"
good pun 🙂
@ Chicco, it was you and Icy who threw Austria and Germany in this mess. You and a handful of senators betrayed PEACE and lost its support, but it is the people of Germany and Austria who are suffering the consequences - that's a shame.
As to PEACE's current expansion - you should remember that Romania tried to take Karnataka out of pure greed (it held 3 high-iron regions at the time and was the world's undisputed center of iron trade) and that unleashed the counteroffensive which you are witnessing now. Romania left PEACE no choice but to fight for the complete dismantling of its empire.
Those who pose no threat have nothing to fear.
Good choice america, I myself will come to sweeden to crush Germany !
Unfortunately, scrabman, if Sweden invades Germany first -- which it is likely they will -- anytime within, what, the next 11 days -- which is very likely that they will -- the choice will be made for you, so to speak. The MPP with Sweden will be canceled in favor of the MPP with Germany. Thus, the US will be on Germany's side, officially. It will then take a lot of effort to get the US officially neutral again.
It helps to know the way MPPs work -- which I thought the Ireland and UK thing would have cued you in on -- before making official statements like this.
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Sad to see such a weak government over here :/
Quite possibly the most confused article I've ever read. You contradicted yourself at least 4 times in the same article. Don't waffle. Take a side. Make a decision. If you think ATLANTIS is crumbling, either support it or leave.
Good to know that Atlantis backstabs its fellow brothers, kinda makes me glad eAustralia decided not to start a new front against eIndo.