Two Cents for the Hospital Debate
Lieutenant Scheisskopf
Given all the media time the topic of hospitals has gotten, I figured it was time to weigh in on the matter myself. Take away the following if you fear the tl;dr prospects of this article: the way things are now are less than ideal, but combining moving tickets campaigns with some construction is optimal. Building in New York, at least, should be a priority if no other regions are considered. Either way, there's some compromise possible between the differing camps, and this might just be it.
Taking off my military fatigues to play doctor
Framework
My examination on Day 790 showed me that there are 7,915 citizens living in the eUSA's "wasteland" regions-- any naturally eUS region which is not California or Florida. A decent percentage of these citizens are already dead or have since left the game, while others are part of a new eUS baby boom and need to be saved. What everyone needs to realize, though, is that the current debate should be focused on finding solutions for preserving the next baby boom, since implementing a new hospital strategy does not occur overnight and would take significant time in Congressional legislation, building hospitals, choosing regions, and the like. Simply said, the debate everyone is having needs to be looking beyond the present.
For the 7,915 citizens I mentioned above, here is the numerical breakdown by region. You will note that I did not list Karnataka in this evaluation at any point, since it remains to be seen whether or not Karma Taco remains eUS-- I anticipate it being returned to eIndia before too, too long.
Washington= 423.......... Oregon= 142.......... Idaho= 56.......... Nevada= 105.......... Arizona= 179.......... Utah= 69.......... New Mexico= 52.......... Colorado= 182.......... Wyoming= 22.......... Montana= 51.......... North Dakota= 30.......... South Dakota= 21.......... Nebraska= 62.......... Kansas= 96.......... Oklahoma= 105.......... Texas= 608.......... Minnesota= 134.......... Iowa= 83.......... Missouri= 167.......... Arkansas= 88.......... Louisiana= 99.......... Mississippi= 47 .......... Alabama= 115 .......... Georgia= 229 .......... Tennessee= 173 .......... Kentucky= 143 .......... Illinois= 330 .......... Wisconsin= 156 .......... Michigan= 291 .......... Indiana= 202 .......... Ohio= 296 .......... West Virginia= 41 .......... South Carolina= 82 .......... North Carolina= 249 .......... Virginia= 230 .......... Washington, D.C.= 72 .......... Maryland= 140 .......... Delaware is being held by eCanada .......... Pennsylvania= 276 .......... New Jersey= 231 .......... New York= 1135 .......... Connecticut= 88 .......... Rhode Island= 34 .......... Massachusetts= 206 .......... Vermont= 35 .......... New Hampshire= 34 .......... Maine= 69 .......... Alaska= 95 .......... Hawaii= 142
Combined, this group is greater than the amount of citizens living in California and is over 80% of Florida's size. This group is also, more alarmingly, nearly 1/3 of the eUSA's full population. Again, some decent amount of these citizens are dead, so take these numbers with a grain of salt. Regardless, things need to be changed.
Time to operate
Addressing the Issue
It places the eUSA at a major disadvantage having to defend over 50 regions. ePoland, eHungary, eRomania, and many other powers enjoy the luxury of only having to defend a few regions, and in doing so, can have fortress-level protection over all of them. To put a Q5 in every state, or even a Q2, would be astronomically costly and provide a rate of return below the value of the hospital in most cases. So to trim down the list of places which need a hospital, I suggest not even looking to build in any region with under 100 citizens. In doing so, we remove 21 of 47 regions to consider-- the 1,292 citizens living in regions with fewer than 100 people could be targeted by moving tickets campaigns (in keeping with the hospital discussion, I think calling it an "ambulance" program would make more sense) and relocated to a fortress or another hospital region.
Twenty-six regions to place hospitals still presents a substantial financial burden, but if the Q2 in every state strategy were to be adopted, I would be more supportive in only those 26 regions. I would still prefer to trim the list further, filtering the remaining regions by additional criteria. For reasons of material value, defense and wall importance, and real life (RL) significance, I came up with the following regions which would need hospitals installed, and have suggested the appropriate quality level for each.
- New York (Q5)
- Texas (Q4 or Q5)
- maybe: Washington and Illinois (Q3)
- any of the following: Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Arizona: (Q2)
The remaining regions whose population is greater than 100 but were not named here, would also be targeted by moving tickets ambulances.
This sprawling metropolis needs some quality healthcare
New York and Texas
Combined, New York and Texas hold over 1700 citizens, and are two of the RL USA's most populous states-- which explains their in-game population levels. Texas holds a solid portion of eUSA companies and is strategically important by sitting at the country's southern border with eMexico; its location along the border would require a southern invader to either attack Texas, or to go several regions around Texas (a costly gold maneuver) before moving into the Southeastern eUS.
For similar reasons as Texas, New York would also need a Q5 hospital to accommodate businesses and RL populations. The eUK can only attack a handful of New England states and New Jersey, so a hospital in New York acts as a bottleneck against any eUK offensive; were they to attack a New England state, they would need to move through New York to advance further in the country. Because eCanada holds Delaware for strategic defense reasons, any eUK attack on New Jersey would activate a chain reaction war with eCanada; for this reason, along with New York's greater population size, New York and not New Jersey or Pennsylvania would hold the Q5 hospital in the Northeast.
For other regions, smaller hospitals would be sufficient
The Others Considered
It surprised me that Washington had over 400 citizens-- most of which may be dead eHungarian accounts, however. If the region does have a large number of eUS citizens, though, the region would need a hospital, as well. Illinois, also holding over 300 citizens, is obviously an RL priority for Chicago, and protecting a high oil region would also be useful. The remaining Q2 suggestions all fall in regions with over 200 citizens, and are regions which have sizable RL populations.
Georgia barely made my cut, but its 230 citizens and status as the United States' 8th most populous state made its inclusion necessary in the end-- although I could justify removing it from getting a hospital if the list looked too costly. Indiana was chosen because of its resources, as was Arizona, but either could also be discarded from this list. Arizona in particular was important to me because it holds consistent iron for the eUSA, and makes New Mexico the country's only unprotected region bordering eMexico. People may be perplexed by my concern with eMexico, but those who remember eColombia's invasion several months ago will recall that it is important to consider all possibilities in planning for the country's defense.
Doctor's fees won't be free...
Making It Happen
Some people probably read the first few paragraphs and thought "that sounds nice, but it's going to cost a ton." They're right-- this is not going to be cheap, and the government is going to require a lot of money for it in the form of tax revenue. The most important thing is to realize that we can pursue an infrastructure campaign and simultaneously implement more comprehensive "wasteland replacement" operations. By building in some of or all of the regions I outlined, we at least reduce the need to urgently help people whose health will be plummeting without any relief. As some have indicated elsewhere, these less than Q5 hospitals are just to help people get on their feet before being able to relocate to a Q5 region on their own-- or if they were really persistent, could still manage to live in their RL state.
God Bless America,
Lt. Scheisskopf
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Comments
For what is really a second comment except the FIRST DENIED!
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I think i enjoy this idea in ways you can't even imagine...
The people "living" in the wasteland are dead citizens. 😐
how many of those citizens are dying?? It makes sense to think that there would be high numbers of dying and inactive citizens in the wasteland... active citizens tend to move to a fortress after the learn a little bit about the game
I think the idea of offering different Quality Hospitals for different states is a very reasonable way to go!
Nice job! Well laid out!
Are you making a kind of contest like "if we reach 10.000 articles about Hospitals the admins will ban another PHOENIX tank?"
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First page ftw.
idea is bad, voted
We don't need to take advantage of Jharkhand because Tennessee has high wood.
These Q5 hospitals would be quite an unvestment, and would need a Q5 DS to go with it to protect the massive investment. If we created that many hospitals we risk the general two clicker populations moving out of Cali and Florida to one of these new places then going inactive... even if we only go by your plan. Then next time an invasion occurs we are in an even worse position than we are now because our forces are divided into too many different regions. The eUS needs to pursue a unique strategy from other countries because we simply have too many regions to defend them all. We should stick with the current fort strategy til v2 is out.
expected the week that was, got hospital debate.
I am dissapoint
yes, I also think that qualification of states on bases of resources, Importance and citizens can help in building appropriate hospital for the specific state..... And also it will be much cheaper.
GLaDOS, TWTW comes out on Fridays-- I do write during the week too 😛
I feel the need for atleast texas and new york to have something, to try and help out those who DO stay.
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First debate article I actually read the whole way through. Voted.
put a Q5 hospital and Q5 defense system in NY and NY only
ffs guys.
if these baby boomers are going to succeed, or even play erep they will figure out that they need to move to California. It's not that damn hard.
let it rest.
Agree with you Newt, but the issue is that getting the citizen to that point of realization before they become frustrated can be a struggle sometimes.
lol wtf are you saying we need a q5 hospital in new york because its likely to being destroyed?
Seems to be a good idea.
Washington (Seattle Metro) is a big area for technology and connectivity. So there must be some base for new members to want to join in eWashington...
I agree with the New York hospital, I live in Puerto Rico RL and when I begin to play I moved to New York. I realized that I had to move to California or Florida ASAP, to benefit with the high quality hospitals. I moved before going to fight, as it is the only way to really increase my wellness. I just bought a ticket and moved to Florida 🙂 It wanst very hard.
Take it one state at a time, highest priority first.
THIS ARTICLE IS MISSING THE WORD "Company" in looking at region value.
THIS ARTICLE NEGLECTS THE BORDER WITH RUSSIA IN ALASKA.
I DO NOT LIKE THIS ARTICLE.
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR "%*$@ THIS".
Buck, first lol 😛
I used "business" in place of company, but will replace that if you'd like.
Alaska is important and I once thought a hospital should go there, but (in another topic), I believe Canada should get Alaska and we be given Yukon, for the chain reaction benefits that we have through Delaware.
I hope you'll still stick around for TWTW at least 😃
Well put together and the first reasonable argument I have heard tonight. I would support a policy of placing Hospitals in the states listed. Lieutenant Scheisskopf is completely right, this latest Baby Boom was a bust. We need to look forwards, not backwards in trying to make the next one a huge success. Do nothing and the population will continue to decline, do something, anything and we may not only get new Babies, but some old ones might return to the game.
Thoughtful and based on analysis of real numbers and planning for the future. Good job.
I have a Q5 in my pants.
Lt. I defend your right to say as you please, but you are wrong.
Great article!
But there will be no initial cost. Max McFarland will handle all construction and building costs.
I have countered that and other opposition arguments here in my article:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/q2s-[..]/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/q2s-[..]/1/20
Would it be possible to make all new citizens live only in states that have q5 hospitals until they reach a specified level and then allow them to move other states?
I'm a newbie to the game and when I started out in NJ I almost died then spent all my gold getting well and moving to a q5 hospital state. Now that I've been playing the game for awhile I don't understand why anyone would live in a state that didn't have a q5 hospital.
Well, though I disagree with any hospitals being built in the wasteland at all, good article. I like how you pegged that the discussion should really be about the next baby boom and what to do with it instead of screaming Oh The Huge Manatee and chastising those opposing your viewpoint for aiding in the deaths of wasteland mutants. You provided a lot of food for thought and though you didn't change my mind, your ability to put forth your opinion reasonably makes me more willing to give hospital thing a chance (and not just to see it fail).
Hey there. Let's talk primary and secondary costs. 🙂
Primary Costs: None. ZERO. NOTHING.
~ If the government wants hospitals, I will start up one Hospital Company per Quality Level, Q1 through Q4 (I already have Q5), provide all raw materials, and donate the products to the government for a penny each.
Secondary Costs: Quite a Few.
~ All the workers in my companies will be volunteers, working for minimum wage. As such, they will contribute less to the economy by way of consumption, since they will have only subsistence income. Well, subsistence income, and the Q1 House I donate to all volunteers when they start working, if they don't have on yet.
~ Population distribution. The more hospitals we have, the more it demolishes the fortress strategy.
~ Opportunity costs. The folks in non-Q5 regions cannot realistically participate in the military, and cannot contribute max possible damage.
Discuss.
NO. Q2 Hospitals do not/did not/will not help with retention.
Interesting argument about Alaska... hope you put it in a comment to my own cursory review of it.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/yaahoo-yet-another-article-on-hospitals-only-opinions--1152411/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/yaah[..]1/20
And I wasn't as mad as I let on. 😛
Max, these are the relevant costs IMO:
~ Population distribution. The more hospitals we have, the more it demolishes the fortress strategy.
~ Opportunity costs. The folks in non-Q5 regions cannot realistically participate in the military, and cannot contribute max possible damage.
You, me, or anyone can pay the piper, but these costs are inherent to the transaction.
It sounds like a pretty good plan to me, Lieutenant.
@ Buck, You're absolutely right.
I agree 100% that those are relevant costs. I'm just trying to steer the discussion toward those costs. Everyone gets so wrapped up around the actual price tag, which is of no real ong term consequence. What matters is the long term positive or negative consequences of the second orders effects; that is what I want everyone to consider. We are often too short-sighted; I want people to take the long view when they make their arguments.
V/r,
Max
Right... I'm glad we agree so much!
Everywhere I have seen Q3 and Q4 hospitals (I am not as sure about Q2), I have seen people making it their long term home, well into the advancing weeks of their e-careers. This definitely is to the detriment of the nation, assuming that enough of them would have moved who are living in the sub-Q5 regions, in order to make up for and exceed the damage done by those healing in the sub-Q5 regions, which is a reasonable if not completely proven assumption.
A Q5 in NY and Q4 in Texas means we now have 4 permanent fortresses (Karnataka will return to India in the intermediate future) instead of two. While our fortresses are loaded with dead citizens, we cannot count on them permanently for a buffer, since the admins may well decide to purge accounts again at some point.
The problem with diluting the fortresses is that it makes the first 2 fortresses significantly cheaper to take, and reduces the value of all of our initial bottlenecks.
It also doesn't help that we really don't know at what point a hospital is low enough that people will consider moving, but high enough to be useful. A Q4 seems like a bad choice - we lose 20% of the damage capacity, but it may well not be annoying enough for some players to move.
Q3 seems a decent choice for NY/IL/TX, and Q2 for the remainder of the states you outlined.
One method for catching players that don't know what they're doing when they fight: monitor the battle stats for any player under level 10 that fights, to see where they are, and if they healed after the fight.
A good idea. We certainly can't keep using the moving ticket strategy. When I was new, only communication with a veteran player got me out before it was too late. If we put hospitals in populated states, it will give us a smaller area to cover with moving tickets, making the moving ticket strategy more effective. Of course, we all need to read the part that says this is to allow a new player to keep their head above water until they can move to a fortress state.
i think we should build in ny first, then maybe texas. nowhere else.