Too much hate will kill you in the end!
Clopoyaur
Hi South Korea,
First of all I want to congratulate everybody for the great baby-boom that we experienced in the last week. Having over 4000 population was something beyond my wildest dreams.
Still, as a former Minister of Foreign Affairs of South Korea I have to write my concern related to some articles I saw in the newspapers regarding a possible alliance with ONE countries in order to fight against China.
First of all, I must say I understand you anger towards China as in the past months many of our regions were under foreign occupation, mainly Chinese and Taiwanese. Also in the last war China played a serious role in helping Taiwan to fight against South Korea. Still, we managed to fight and with a great effort South Korea won the war and its regions were returned.
Yes, we were a small country back then, having only 500 citizens, and now we are 4000! Still, that is not a reason to look for revenge by any means. And also is not a reason to betray allies that helped our country during all this time.
In the last 4-5 months every small country in the area, be it North Korea, Japan, Philippines, Pakistan or India was wiped or mainly under occupation. In all this time South Korea was still on the map and survived thanks to the efforts made mainly by South Korean Dragons Military forces and by the diplomacy team I leaded. Furthermore, a small country like South Korea managed to enter a big alliance, Eden, strengthening its position in the area.
Thank to its allies, to its diplomatic abilities and to its army, South Korea is still on the map, has won the last war and had a baby-boom.
Still, as I see, blinded by hate, you want to throw everything to the garbage dump and throw yourself in a war that could compromise South Korea in E-Republik forever.
E-Republik is a strategy game about friendship, loyalty and military abilities. Once a country has betrayed his allies and friends will no longer ever be looked as trust able.
Even if Eden is now the weaker alliance, is the one that helped South Korea. Romanians and FSR fought like hell with their own money and supplies to win South Korea's wars, Bulgarians helped our baby-boom sending thousands of breads, Brazil, Greece or Croatia showed us their support by signing MPPs with us, even if we were a very small country. Are you ready to betray their trust and sign alliances with ONE countries just to fight against China? Are you willing to put your trust in ONE countries that never moved a finger for South Korea?
Yes, they have an interest in the area, they want to fight China, so South Korea might be useful for them. They will come, maybe will win, maybe will not, they will stay a while, but after that they will go.
In that moment South Korea will remain alone. ONE will have no reason to support it anymore while Eden will be already betrayed. In all this time, South Korea will still have as neighbors China and Taiwan. I know Koreans are people with honor and also people with a straight judgment.
Te majority of you don't even know the basic mechanisms of this game. Wait a bit, try to understand the game, try to grow, wait for your influence dealt in battle to grow and then take decisions. Dont let yourself fooled by people telling you that you can fight anyone. You cannot! South Korea is still a weak country in terms of damage. Of course, it can grow, but it can grow in times of peace, not in times of war.
If you want to throw away everything has been built so far in South Korea, me, as an experienced player and 4 times president of South Korea I tell you that you are wrong.
Regards,
Clopoyaur,
PS: I would be delighted if someone will translate this article in Korean.
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[And also is not a reason to betray allies that "helped our country during all this time".]
[Furthermore, a small country like South Korea managed to enter a big alliance, Eden, "strengthening its position in the area".]
[Romanians and FSR fought like hell "with their own money and supplies" to win South Korea's wars.]
You are the best comedian I've ever seen.
I wanted to touch on most of this article, but I'll keep myself down a bit and only touch on a few things.
"E-Republik is a strategy game about friendship, loyalty and military abilities. Once a country has betrayed his allies and friends will no longer ever be looked as trust able."
You can't say this after your PTO in the past. So since Koreans were once betrayed through PTO, it's fine for us to still feel hostility towards Romanians? Last time I checked, that's not what you were saying.
"Even if Eden is now the weaker alliance, is the one that helped South Korea."
eChina didn't.
"Romanians and FSR fought like hell with their own money and supplies to win South Korea's wars,"
Hold on, now FSR ISN'T eSKer's anymore? I thought you guys counted yourselves as eSKers, so why are you bringing up FSR fighting for your own country with your own money?
"ONE will have no reason to support it anymore while Eden will be already betrayed. In all this time, South Korea will still have as neighbors China and Taiwan."
Eden has no reason to support eSK, either. You speak of "already betrayed", but we were "already betrayed" by eChina during our battles with eRoC.
"Te majority of you don't even know the basic mechanisms of this game. Wait a bit, try to understand the game, try to grow, wait for your influence dealt in battle to grow and then take decisions. Dont let yourself fooled by people telling you that you can fight anyone. You cannot! South Korea is still a weak country in terms of damage. Of course, it can grow, but it can grow in times of peace, not in times of war."
They have been told to fight at our TW against eRoC in this article http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-1816764/1/20
@Sihu Song : 그렇게한다면욕먹긔
true article.
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"Once a country has betrayed his allies and friends will no longer ever be looked as trust able."
write this sentence on chinese forum plz~
@arari137
our conflict with eChina was just a small portion of our long history in eRepublik
you just join us, please don't make decisions and assumptions just yet
you have much to learn about this game's politics and strategies
if you need any help, please contact me anytime
@Clopoyaur?
I know the job you did, and allppl, but from the begining, the public opinion was never asked before enter to EDEN, and also from beginning i was agains this alliance, then i can tell you from beginning my position is the same, our ecountry step wrong to Eden, and now is the time to make the correct step,is all, is not about betray or not, is about step in correct way!
@Kim II Song
I can understand why you think that way,
BUT
You think that our alies will understand?
NO
They will consider us TRAITORS
Do you think ONE countries will think different way?
After eChina is out they will not have any use for us, you think they will move a finger to help us ?
We will be for them just a bunch of traitor that can't be trusted
Don;t be fooled by 4000 population people are edieing everyday. I can see that when i have to clean my companies from people who don't play anymore. We will see in 1 month how many from the 4000-5000 new players will remain in the game.
We should focus on our business and try not too upset too much anyone, not our current allies or our enemies, cause afterwords we are "dead meat". Look au our borders: China and eRoc, and Japan. If we make a wrong move now, in 3 days we are wiped out and no one will come to help us.
Regarding China, if you have a real grudge against we can manifest it passively with a popcorn the following week and see how ONE will reap it apart, or if you really want on you own money you can always move to another country and fight personally against it, BUT DO NOT DRAG THE COUNTRY IN THIS MESS!
@Scarlet, don't be fooled that European Eden countries love eChina that much, but they need it as eChina is a force and the last economic stronghold of Eden. All economic gurus that represent Eden MUs and GOVs are located in China for the full bonuses. So if China falls Eden is again a big shit...
And we don't want to be on their bad side. I don't want to see eSK with a direct war vs eChina, after this mess cause it's just suicidal. We don't help them, but we don't want to anger them either.
I am not sure you are the Minister of Foreign Affairs anymore.
@roland_up
I am not sure you are eSK-er anymore.
"I am not sure you are eSK-er anymore."
I found that a good thing, now I can go back to do what I want to do. Not sure about you though.
hey roland long time no see~~~ 🙂
영어울렁증 때문에 듬성듬성 보았지만, 얘 변명하는 거 맞죠?
Hey, hey!!
흠 원글이 변명이라기보다. 아마 목적은 한국이 에덴의 멤버로 계속 있어줬으면 하는 글 같아요. 말투라고 해야하나... 자네들은 무지해서 잘 모르는것 같으나 자네들이 하는얘기는 다 잘못됐다 반성하고 에덴에 속해있어라 같은 말 같은데요. 한국이 에덴에 들어간지 얼마 되지 않았고 4000명이 넘는 유저가 있는건 꽤 큰나라일텐데 이렇게 고자세로 나오는게 참 마음에 안드네요. 그동안 피해본거를 복구를 해주고 우리에게 장기적으로 득이되는 이야기(땅을 준다던지)를 해서 협력을 구하는게 정치가 아닐까 생각합니다... (실제로 안지켜도 말이라도 그렇게 해야지 ㅉㅉ) 우리나라 외교관님들이 쩐다고 하니 장기적으로 영광의 한국을 세울 수 있는 결과가 나올것이라 믿습니다. c뭐시기라고 하는 플레이어는 그다지 지도자로서의 자질이 없는것 같군요. 그런데 저분은 국제적으로 어느 위치에 있는분인가요? 연합에서 자리가 있는건가요? 며칠동안 이게임을 하면서 들은바로는 루마니아출신의 한국거점을 둔 테러집단의 수장으로 알고있는데. 정말 한국을 도와주러 온것이라 하면 한국인들이 자국을 이끌어가는걸 뒤에서 받쳐줘야지 앞에서 딴지거는건 아니라고 봅니다.
흠..... 뭔가 정세도 잘 모르는데 긴댓글다니까 찜찜하네...
흠.... 계속 생각해보니 루마니아인들이 잘못을 저질러 왔었다고해도 그들이 이곳에 뼈를 묻을 생각이라면 서로 대화하고 존중해주는게 옳지 않을까 생각합니다. 전과가 있으니 일부에서 자유롭지 못한것은 당연하죠.
이전 일에대해선 재판, 처벌, 사과, 용서, 양보 등등으로 깔끔하게 마무리 지을 수 있지 않을까 생각합니다. 저는 영작능력이나 기본적으로 영어능력이 딸리기때문에 중재는 할수 없지만 그들이 한국에서 특별한 이득을 노리지 않고 한국에서 싸워주는한 무조건적인 거부는 좋지 않다고 생각합니다.
위의 원글이나 댓글의 내용들같은 자세라면 양자모두 감정의 평화는 오지 않을것입니다. 양자가 서로에게 더 귀기울이는 자세를 취할필요가 있을것 같은데요.
대화하는 방법으로 이런건 어떨까요?
우선!
1. 2개의 글을 만들어 각자의 입장을 정리하여 올린다.
2. 각자의 입장을 검토하고 그에대한 반박글을 한번더 적는다.
3. 각자의 대표를 몇명 뽑아 한명 또는 2명의 번역하는 사람과 진행자를 사이에두고 번갈아가며 몇줄의 발언을 하며 각자의 요구를 조정한다.
4. 결과를 정리하여 게제하고 양쪽이 이해하면 며칠뒤 결과를 이행한다.
개인적으로 범죄에 직접적으로 연관된 루마니아유저들에게 벌금으로 얼마의 금액을 몇달에걸처 분납한다 같은게 좋은것 같은데... 그리고 저에게는 빵을!
nox29h 님 이제 이놈들이 한짓거리는 더이상 봐줄수없는 단계까지 와버렸습니다. 쟤내들이 처먹은 돈을 벌금으로 매기면 수천만원에 상당합니다. 이리퍼에서 그정도 금액은 엄청난 금액이죠.
어찌되었건 대한민국의 정세를 파악하실려면 irc 대한민국이라던지 이리퍼블릭카페를 들어가시는게 좋습니다.
I don't know much about it since I am just a newbie. However, I think that if China did wrong in the war between us and RoC, it's time for them to pay for it. They should learn that betrayal to even a small country makes a problem.
And I am certain that many of newbies in eSK feel the same way with me despite we know about eSK nothing. We have a lot of same histories with China in real world. China invaded Korea many and many a time. That's why we newbies are sensitive to the territory issue with China.
Revenge gets us nowhere. And neutrality is the only alliance we need. We don't need to conform. We have survived just fine being neutral.
이제와서 잘하면 뭐하니, 한국에는 '있을때 잘해' 라는 말이 있어.
한국인들은 계속해서 피해자인 입장이야.
너는 그딴 개짖는 소리만 해대지만, 우리가 한 잘못은 없어.
너네 쪽에서 먼저 비리를 저질렀지. 우리는 눈앞에 대고 바라볼 수밖에 없었어.
힘이 없었거든...
근데 그렇게 비리저지르고 돈빼가고 그랬는데, 이제와서 도와달라고??
과즙만 쪽쪽 빨아먹고 버리려다가 그것도 아까워?
정말... 나 고등학생이야. 근데 너같은 사람 여럿 봤어도, 너무 얼굴에 철판 까는거 아니냐?
어따대고 영어를 맘대로 놀리니? 정말 웃기지 않아?
너가 우리와 같은 상황에 처해있다고 해봐, 너라면 도와줄 수 있을거 같아?
있을때 잘해줬으면 뭐라하지 않겠어, 하지만 너흰 있을때 더 악독하게 했지.
지금 일어난 사태들도 어찌보면 너희 눈에 욕심때문이야.
e대한민국을 속국으로 하려했고, 그로인해 에덴에 가입시켰고, 결국에 지금의 상황까지 이어져온거야.
남을 탓하지말고, 너 자신부터 탓해...
정말 웃긴다 너 ㅋㅋ
사실 요새 루마니아가 잘 보이지도 안고, 그리 적대적이지 않아져서
나름 나도 긍정적이게 바라보려고 노력했어.
근데 이젠 명령조드라? ㅋㅋㅋ
이번 사건을 통해 너희는 뼈져리게 느끼게 될꺼야...
Too much hate become from you.
and this hate will distroy you.
난 정부인사가 아니기 때문에 막말해도 되거든 ㅋ
니가 날 어떻게 생각하던 상관없어, 이전에 너도 나한테 똑같이 대해줬거든.
앞으로 우리나라 사람들이 어떻게 하길 명령 혹은 바라지마.
그리고 너희 이전 행동들에 대해 후회하고 반성해.
If you do not remain at least neutral, there will be no more eSouth Korea for a long time. One will use you as a base at eChina gates and will never leave.
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I'm starting to think that this Korean phase will pass and all the hardcore players who have been around for awhile will be laughing in the end.
@Morphine7
쟤들이 운영자한테 신고하면 벌점 받을 수 있습니다. 벌점 15점인가 쌓이면 밴이에요! 얼른 지우세요. 깔 땐 까더라도 욕은 쓰면 안됨미.
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nox29h 님과 같은생각입니다
well this article was the opinion of our leader.
you do what you think but consider the old-ecitizen wise words 🙂