The truth about Rhone Alps? Interview.
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Ernesto: Hi! I'm Ernesto-Che-Guevara, a French eRep Player. This month I'm Advisor for aguellid, the French President. In the past, I occupied many ministerial posts (MoD, MoE, MoF) and i was Vice-President Last month.
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Main theme these days in Hungary is Rhone Alps and what it's future will be but I would like to ask you first about it's past. French media and even the Hungarian MoFA is suggesting that there was an agreement between our two countries before the attack on the region. Is that true?
Ernesto: Yes, absolutely True. The first Time we talked about this was last month. PHX asked us if we want to liberate both Aqui and RA and Rent RA to Hungary but we refused. In fact, we had an agreement with eRussia. They Tank 5K Golds in RA before daychange, and we payback them depending on the outcome of the battle. A very Nice deal who has has failed to work because Spain secured the region. This month, same proposal. They asked us to Rent RA to Hungary, and we accepted. The deal was We (France+Hungary+PH
😵liberate Aqui+RA and we rent Rhones alps 3 months to eHungary. It was a nice deal because profitable for both sides. I mean that with this deal France will have a High Wood region and Hungary one. And ofc, EDEN lose 2 important regions. We had 2 meetings, and we found an agreement.
So you say we had an agreement about renting for three months. What were the other conditions of it? Costs, etc.
Ernesto: Yes. We had One. The deal was pretty simple: We rent RA 3 months to eHungary in exchange of 15% of Total country Income. In addition, we agreed on a minimum (1600G) and a maximum (2300G) monthly. We found this agreement after 2 meetings of 4 Hours each. There were many persons from each Gov and ofc people from PHX. Polio, Kistru, Battalgazi, Donnie Branco, Jazar, romool, derp0, Tavo92 etc.
That sounds like a finished negotiation. Why weren't the results of it published in the media to inform the citizens of Hungary and France?
Ernesto: For a simple reason. Make this public agreement is equivalent to saying to EDEN "Hello, get ready, we will attack you soon." This agreement remained secret for military reasons therefore.
Yes but it remained secret to public after the military operations were finished too. What was the reason behind that?
Ernesto: We had a meeting with the Hungarian Gov Sunday @ 20h30 to formalize this agreement on our official newspapers. However, one day before that, I mentioned this agreement in my [url=ttp://www.erepublik.com/en/article/r-ponse-au-tableau-noir-la-france-a-t-elle-vraiment-trahie-ses-alli-s--1422803/1/20]newspaper[/url] and many people were aware.
So it was open in France. In Hungary we had no official statement about it, only thing we were told that negotiations are going on. Do you have any idea why that happened, did you discuss it with the Hungarian delegation?
Ernesto: Well. In France, we need Congress approval for this kind of important decisions. So our Congress was informed about this agreement since the first day of negotiation. I do not know how things work in Hungary, but from our side, everything was completed. We had even prepared an article for our Official Journal. Hungary is an ally and we have confidence in our allies. Something normal, no ?
😁When the meeting started, they told us that Hungarian congress unanimously rejected this agreement. I was very surprised by this and I doubt that this is true. Indeed, the agreement was beneficial to both parties.
Why Congress would refuse?
So the congress refusal was the reason for the meetings on day 943 and 944. What did you discuss there, can you speak about some development in the question?
Ernesto: As I explained earlier. The 943 day's rally was planned to formalize our agreement. But the government seems unwilling to meet its commitments. The meeting lasted three hours and to be honest with you, it was one of the most unpleasant meetings I've ever done. They told us that according to calculations done by the government, the rent was too expensive (why did they accept in this case?) And we had to renegotiate because we have no choice. According to their calculations, RA would yield only to 85G per day Hungary, which is false. Our President said, "Okay, give us RA and we will pay 86Golds by Day during the next 3 months". But they refused. Why refuse 86G daily when the region income is Only 85G ?
😁I found some people in this meeting very arrogant and unhonest. As you probably know, For weeks Hungary have only had Grains, since the loss of HK. We offer them our best region, our economic lifeblood, for a rent far lower than what some EDEN's countries offered us in the past, and they refused. I have always been a man true to his word, I cannot accept that we discuss again on a deal agreed by both parties. A great nation always respects his word, no? It is even more unacceptable for us that we did ruin ourselves in those battles. Indeed, as LK was in danger, we ordered our soldiers to go fight there, taking the decision to maybe abandon Aquitaine, aiming that the tanking will be enough and abandoning the damages of our own army, in order to save LK. We pay almost 3000 golds in tanking on both battles. And in the end...That is why I have not personally attended the meeting yesterday (day944). I'm tired of being taken for a chump. France is no supermarket in which you take what you want for a low price ! Last month we signed a 5000Golds agreement with the Russia basing only on confidence. We simply trusted each other. I am not asking for the moon, just to respect our agreement.
What would you think of that agreement if you would be a neutral spectator? We have here more or less exact calculations that Rhone Alps would bring us 3500 gold monthly, and the tax revenue rose since conquering RA from Spain with around 100 gold daily making it to 3000 G/month estimated tax income. Do you think that paying 1600-2300 from 3000 is the most beneficial agreement between the two countries? I'm not questioning that an agreement has been already made, I only want to know how you see this.
Ernesto: Well, let's forgot one minute that I am French. I would say it is more interesting for both countries that we loan one region to Hungary and that we keep one, instead of having both. It is a fact, we do not have enough workers in order to fully exploit Aquitaine and RA. That is why I pushed our Congress to accept this deal. On the other side, I truly think RA is making more than 3500 golds per month. It is a region with 700 companies, mainly Q3-Q4 and Q5 (the most profitable). I will then say the loan was honest compared with the economic potential of the region. The time of the Iron rule is over. Today, Wood is much more valuable, and with V2, stone will be worth even more than Iron. Frankly, I think the agreement benefits both parties.
We speak here about three months and to be honest I don't really think that v2 will make it in this time, so I can't really take that as an argument. You say that you think it makes more than 3500 G/month. Let's just make a situation game. Would your opinion be the same if it would be only making 3000?
Ernesto: And if I am asking you back ? Do you think the HK of the Wood (because it is like that: RA as more Wood companies than any other region) is worth 1600 gold but month or not ? Or even better, of tomorrow China was offering you to take back this region for 1600g, will you accept it ?
Well it depends on the profit I guess. Will there be any further meetings? Will you attend to them and do you see a chance of finding a solution to the current problems?
Ernesto: Of course there will be (A new one is scheduled tonight) and we will find a agreement. It is obvious. Willingly or not, we HAVE to get along. We can't offer ourselves the luxury of fighting between us and let EDEN take advantage of this. Ordinary, I don't like talking about top secret subjects in public, but this time I think it is a good thing that the eWorld knows about what is going on. It will force everyone to take responsibility which isn't a bad thing at all. However, I sincerely hope that the negotiators will this time act with less arrogance. Indeed, I doubt that contempt is the best way to have what you want.
What if when we meet next week on IRC again there is a new meeting scheduled for that day? How long can take this?
Ernesto: I would truly be surprised if this last a week. If each part is making efforts, we will conclude a deal quickly. But if this last, I will say we must see the positive side of all things: you will have an easy article to write once more !
😃
We will see. Thank you for the interview Ernesto.
Ernesto: Thanks o/
(magyar fordítás majd lesz, most kicsit más dolgom van, addig is kérdezze kezelőorvosát, gyógyszerészét.)
Comments
??? Really ?
??? For me it's tthe end of this meeting
??? And Rhual[HU]
??? listen me well now
??? Dont be surprised
??? if in the next days
??? Spain swap throuh Fr'ance
??? and attack RA
??? 😉
great
bikicsunaj legyen veled
engedje csak a spanyolokat...
Very interesting 🙂
Thanks for those informations.
I hope that the negociations will end soon, and fulfill both expectations.
HAIL HUNGARY
HAIL FRANCE
Thanks for the informations and the interview 🙂 I trully hope we will find a fair deal. Please do not ruin all, the victory was great, let's continue greatly 🙂
o.O
thanks for the info!
Nos ez világos beszéd.
Az alja elitünkről is és a kialakult helyzetről is.
Beszoptuk - mint mindig - és nem hogy haszon nem lesz egy gold sem, hanem a megszerzésére fordított pénzt sem termeli ki ennyi idő alatt.
Szégyen és megaláztatás egy győztes és általunk fizetett és megnyert hadjárat után!
Erre sem kées senki az alja eliten kívül!
wow France...
Haha France, PHX conquered RA, RA belongs to Phoenix
Get Aquitaine and get away of PHX
HAIL PHX
HAIL HUNGARY
HAIL BRAZIL
Feherlo cikke alatt tobb a komment 😛
ernst: és? attól még érdekes ez az interjú 🙂 nekem legalább is az 🙂
Frenchs will be frenchs
When you're in need of wood they ask you for gold and attention.
Mellesleg a világ legnagyobb átverése lenne, ha átengedné a spanyolokat, azzal beaktiválná az MPP-ket, majd letörölnénk spanyolországot. 🙂
A kis naiv azt hiszi hogy a spanyolok csak Rhone Alpsot vennek el 😃D
Nemis arrogans ez a francia...
Ja igen,talán a megfelelő személyeket kellett volna kinevezni a táryalásra,mivel én a hú de nagy frnciabarát se fogadtam volna el ilyen hülye dealt amit kormanyunk és külügyminiszterünk igen....
5hónap legalább és 1000 arany/hónap, ez lett volna a maximum ajánlatom, és 100% ,hogy meg tudtam volna kötni a franciákkal azüzletet,mivel odaát (a tárgyalófelekkel ellentétben) nekem van reputációm,nem is kevés,mint pl Montaignenek Szerbiaban...
Munyoz marcciante, himan, and all the other eden trolls, I feel for your loss => http://bit.ly/chlo1R">http://bit.ly/chlo1R
"Thanks for those informations.
I hope that the negociations will end soon, and fulfill both expectations.
HAIL HUNGARY
HAIL FRANCE " x2
Még jó hogy a kongresszusunk leszavazta. Melyik kongresszus? o.O
😃
ez baromsag ! ez nem alja elit, ez nem bena politikusok kerdese, csak egy kicsit probaljunk mar meg gondolkozni. S E N K I nem tudja megitelni, h ebben az idoszakban (durvan 3 honap) pontosan mennyi jovedelme lesz a regionak. nem veletlen lett ott sokszaz fureszuzem, mindenki tudja hogy a korhaz szabaly bevezetese milyen egyszeri hatast gyakorolt a fa mint nyersanyag arara es az egesz haz iparagra. most, az ujabb tultermelesi valsag kuszoben a V2 arnyekaban annyit tudok mondani, a kutyavasarnak mar vege. sokat koltottunk, amit szeretnenk visszakapni, az oshonos franciak meg az elmult honapok fenyeben azt hiszik, h rohadt nagy kincset adnak ki a kezukbol. maradjunk a tenyeknel. nincs ott infrastruktura, ergo honapokra nem lehet hirtelen odakoltoztetni az egesz landos nemzedeket. vagyis, a budos eletbe nem fog annyit termelni, mint par honapja a spanyolok kezeben. a tultermeles szelen a cegek nagy resze ugyis lehuzza majd a rolot.
javaslatom a kovetkezo:
fix 3 honapos berlet helyett, ami tul rovid a beruhazasok megterulesehez de tul hosszu a biztos becsleshez, beszeljunk hatarozatlan idotartamrol. mivel pillanatnyilag A L I G hoz a regio bevetelt, induljunk el egy alacsony berleti dijbol, ami a regio kozelitoleg szamolt bevetelenek alacsony szazaleka. ennek merteket a felek havonta, de meginkabb heti bontasban vizsgaljak felul es egyezzenek meg a berleti dij lepcsos, egyenletes, szazalekos emeleseben. amennyiben a regio tenylegesen felfut, eljon az az ido, amikor mar nem eri meg tovabb berelni es akkor kialkudott forgatokonyv szerint visszakaphatjak, (cegek atvetele, stb) ennek az alkunak a kiszamolasa, parameterezese lehetne most a feladat. elvileg igy terulne meg leggyorsabb iramban amit bele invesztaltunk es elvileg a franciknak is minden honapban egyre tobbet hozna.
lakilaci voltam, egy iparos
france has opinion and voiced it 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮
Ejj, ha tudnék még impícselni, de jó is lenne...
Voted.
Istvan, a király:
Naja,az előző kettőnek úgysem volt értelme,meg gondolom for fun volt csak (ez is mutatja mennyire nem szabad ilyesmikre ellőni a dolgot) de most igenis lenne értelme,nem is kevés.
NORMALIS orszagban ilyenkor a kormanynak AZONNAL mennie kell,no question about it.
wow, this is quite true....
There was a meeting yesterday night in which we discussed sincerely and we already have two proposals on the table (a french one and a hungarian one) that are both acceptable. We agreed on thinking about them with clear minds and to choose tonight.
Tonight, we'll hopefully have the last one and we will have the final agreement signed by both countries.
SO PLEASE EVERYONE STOP THE TROLLING (both Frenchs and Hungarians) AND CALM DOWN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
French MoD.
Istvan a kiraly kellett hülyeségekre ellőni🙂
Himan <3
Good one 😁
1600-2300 gold is not the way to deal with RA ownership.
Fair would be that IN THE END OF THE MONTH, Hungary gives 1/3 of money to France, 1/3 to Phonix (for combined actions) and keep 1/3 of WHATEVER profit there is.
Hungary should keep RA for at least 6 months, but 1 year should be fine too.
Valahogy az az érzésem, az előző cikk több kárt okozott, mint amennyit ez helyrehozott... :/
@Mali uskok: Cemu pomaze tvoj komentar?
Nasi saveznici i prijatelji pokusavaju ovim clancima da izglade nepotrebnu situaciju.
Nije nam potreban razdor po Bogu, ostavite nadlezne da se okupiraju oko toga, samo igrate igru freemana i ostalih kariranih
spanyolok 🙂
most vettük el tőlük. 😁))
😁
Što Sindikat reče.
Én Lakilaci ötletét támogatnám, mivel tudom, mivel jár egy fatelep üzemeltetése.. Ha bejön a V2, akkor meg újra kell tárgyalni az egészet, mert csak akkor fog kiderülni, mennyit is ér a régió.
És ellenzem, hogy aranyat adjunk! Ha egy lojális, mindenben együttműködő szövetségesről lenne szó, akkor azt mondanám ok. De a franciák eddig csak azt bizonyították, hogy a ssaját érdekükben tudnak harcolni..
Tehát, a bérleti díjat adjuk fegyverben, ellátmányban, amit a franciák elüthetnek a Phonenix csatáiban. A különbözetet pedg havonta odaadhatjuk goldban. Ha tényleg szövetségeseink, akkor ez ellen nem lehet kifogásuk..
Ha pedig nem azok, akkor milyen bérleti díjról beszélünk egyáltalán? Akkor fizessük a lengyelek és a spanyolok által fizetett bérlet 10x-sét!
A franciáknak az életben nem sikerült volna vissza szerezni ezt a két high régiót...sőt EGYET SEM!
Erre vissza került hozzájuk 1 és a másik is felszabadult erre 4000gold/havi bérletet kapunk?Ez ám a köszönet!😃
Ha mi nem lépünk ülhetnének a babérjaikon és szemezhetnének a két imádott régiójukkal...
Nekik is kéne mérlegelni,rohadt drága volt nekünk ez a háború ami annyiból jól jött,hogy volt egy kis pörgés,de még fizessünk is nekik többet mint amennyit az a régió ér?Azoknak olcsóbban adták ki akik leigázták az országot...
Ha ezek után is bukás lesz RA akkor nem értem minek foglalkoztunk egyáltalán vele.Majd ha legközelebb ellenünk ütnek akkor csak nevetni fogok a vezetésen!😃
frenchies are responsible for the indonesian downfall, help them get back malaysia and we can talk about rental
French people,
you even are not а member of our aliiance.
You should be very thankful to Phoenix for the chance that you got to liberate back Aquitaine.
How dare you to be so selfish?
Hehe, leloptad az otletemet 🙂
En kb. 2 ora mulva keszultem az interviura az emberrel.
Nice interview & true
NKFV
"French people,
you even are not а member of our aliiance.
You should be very thankful to Phoenix for the chance that you got to liberate back Aquitaine.
How dare you to be so selfish? "
Right, but we do very much more than you for your alliance 🙂 It's a problem ?
But well, nice interview, thanks for the clarify.
@Andymiller: persze. A cikkírók okozzák a kárt, nem az aranyezreket áruló franciák felszabadítására elqró alja elit.
A kommentelők okozzák a kárt, nem a barom egyezséget kötő alja elit.
A trollok rontják a közéletet, nem az alja elit, ami még egymásnak is hazudik és három napba telik mire kideríti ki kinek mit ígért az e.magyar államkassza terhére.
Mi vagyunk itt a gond, nem a balfékek, kik némi hatalommal a hátuk megett azt hiszik értenek bármihez is, holott csak rombolnak, ahol felbukkannak.
Fizessenek ők és ne az államkasszát fosztogassák.
Fizessék be ők a felszabadítás költségeit, ha francia haverjaiknak ez nem kóser.
Tessék helytállni és a felelősséget viselni, a károkat megtéríteni.
Akitlosznak máig felhánytorgatjátok, shaoknak is.
Fehérlóra ez nem érvényes?
Singollo nem felel egy barom megállapodásért?
Rhual futhat szabadon amerre lát ennyi károkozást követően?
Nekik ezt szabad?
Gurafity: 🙂
I ask you one battle where you sent 800 soldiers and dealt 2 million damage for your ally. Nort by MPP but travel!
We did that several times.
Very informative interview, vote!
Connaissant Ernesto je pense que cette interview est vrai...
On verra bien comment se finisse les négociations, cependant une chose est sûre les pro-entente vont devenir majoritaire en eFrance après cette longue campagne de trolling qu'on a subit!
Good one
90% of france is freed by phoenix and you even dont want to give only one of your TWO high woods to phoenix? You cant even use one of your high regions and you want all of them for you, not for you allies which liberated you?
Thats so pathetic. I even think you have to give RA for free one year to eHungary. Furthermore, can you calculate how much gold phoenix used to free you? Like 200-300k? Thats like 200k real money if we calculate it. Stop whining and think with your heads
I think that Eden have to take this region back. To many troubles for eFrance and eHungary. Are you normal people? I spend all golds and now have nothing for what? What is my profit? None, just for PHX. So stop talking, make defend system with many people and let our union going strong.
Give Urals to eHungary, they deserved it.