The Government's Abuse of Power (Including chat log) Part Two
Mr Crumpets
For those who haven't read part one, please see that first before reading part two...
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-government-s-abuse-of-power-including-chat-log-part-one-2163106/1/20
What we've established so far, is that by logic and game mechanics, the Green and Gold Party is NOT a PTO threat.
Regardless of the actions so far accused of Wingfield and Detroit the candidates up for election would not support a PTO.
So let's continue reading highlights of the log to see if we can figure out how the Ranger Bob Government came to the decision to call the GGP a PTO and knock it out of the Top 5.
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The first person to suggest the Green and Gold Party should be kicked out of the Top Five is Discrate1... more known as DocterDry2 (now Moist).
At this point in the game, the GGP is about 10 members clear of the ARP.
UNDER PROPER PTO SANCTIONS it would have been established that the GGP was running genuine candidates thus the order would have been given for ARP members to move into the GGP... this however was not done.
Instead, as we will witness a politically motived move was allowed, which is against the spirit of Anti-PTO operations.
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Here DD2 makes it clear he is out to get the GGP... a PTO of sorts!
At this stage TJ is right... let's work across party lines.
I can tell you I've done that in the past leading Anti-PTO information campaigns. A number of times I got into spats with the ANP, but come a PTO threat, that was all put aside. It seems DD2 cannot.
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We've had parties in the past that didn't exactly play ball, but still were not seen as a PTO threat. The main example being Paul Hamon and the PaPP.
They danced to a different drum, but were leaved to be.
You'll also note the last comment, if there was some party leaders in the room. Even if they did not want to speak to Wingfield or Detriot, why didn't the ATO reach out to respected members (and candidates like Miss Wolf and H.Nelson and ask them for their opinion?).
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So here it is. DD2 advocating for GGP members to be poached. Though as we see the GGP is in the top 5 and should be getting members from the ARP, we see the ATO squad attempt to knock GGP out of the top five.
Remember, at this time it has not been signed off that the GGP are a PTOed party by Ranger - it looks like a political agenda in play by the ATO squad.
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That's the moment it all went down and the GGP was declared a PTO.
That was the moment eAustralia's most experienced players screwed up.
While they were talking about the leader, NOT ONCE, did they look at or discuss the candidates up for election.
They mention Miss Wolf, did any of them understand she was a candidate for the election?
Did any of them message her to get her take on things?
No. The stupidly got obsessed with Wingfield.
Tim Holtz say he is a 'Proven threat'... any evidence presented? Sure, words might have been said between Tim and Wingfield, but does he have a team of candidates with him to cause a PTO of the senate? NO!!! DO YOUR MATHS TIM, NO, NO, NO, NO!
Did Ranger use any logic as outlined in part one of this article? NO!
They all got hooked up on emotion and politics, when they needed to put that aside and look at the candidates list. They failed to do the most simple of Game Mechanics basics.
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Actually Ronny, for the 'Greater Good' the maths said the ARP should have merged into the GGP which had better numbers. Thus helping the chances of Miss Wolf and H.Nelson of getting elected.
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Actually Ranger, you're doing what you don't like right now! You're poaching from a higher placed party to boost the numbers of the ARP.
I believe Hypocrite is the word for that!
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That was not the act of a Senate Elections Commissioner, that was the act of a coward.
If the GGP was declared by the ATO squad as a PTO, a public article outlining in detail the reasons why should have been published.
This would have been up front and allowed public debate on the issue.
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Not really, it was DD2's idea, supported by the others, then based on emotion without logical reason, you rubber stamped it.
Ranger Bob the buck stops with you.
You have abused the powers of the PTO. Did it in the chat room and did not have the guts to be honest and up front with the eAustralian public.
You want to know why we, the citizens of eAustralia, fight and squabble over things... it's because of this... 'the clique'... if you're not in with them, then you cannot be good for eAustralia. That's the attitude.
That's why Miss Wolf and H.Nelson told me they are sick of politics.
Tell me Ranger Bob is Miss Wolf a PTOer? is H.Nelson a PTOer? Am I a PTOer? Did you even look at the candidates list?
What you did to the entire Green and Gold Party (we are more than just two people) was wrong and you need to apologise.
For those interested, the 4 hour chat log can be downloaded from Sendspace at... http://www.sendspace.com/file/iqowk9
Comments
Did you even look at the candidates list?
um just cause you say something is established I don't think so. You are after all what on your 3rd character? First one was banned for multi'ing wasn't it? What happened to the second?
Anyway lets see if I can get past the first line.
you do realise these arent scandalous logs right? we are happy to give them out of any Aussie that asks.
I keep looking for the scandal... and its all pretty out in the open... sure he's cut a lot and taken some out of context but really, piss poor effort.
Wingfield is not a PTOer, Ima keep writing this.
I'm sorry, I agree with this. I think we'd all be better off without wingfield, but this was... unjustified.
The funniest part is no one cares what crumpets or wingfield have to say.
discrate cannot be trusted
Which IRC room were the logs taken from?
"First one was banned for multi'ing wasn't it?"
Nope. It was for those porno ads (on the old ad system) when I was going to leave the game (thinking work would take too much time away from playing).
which one was banned for multi'ing?
Oh and #aus.ato Henry there were easily 20 people in there lol
lol releasing more logs of a public discussion! oh god please no!!
GGP is PTO threat while whingfield is incharge.
Hence why i said to message 2 clickers to get them out
Hence why i said to kick GGP out of top 5.
I urge legitimate GGP members to take back their party and reject multis.
You want to know why we, the citizens of eAustralia, fight and squabble over things... it's because of this... 'the clique'... if you're not in with them, then you cannot be good for eAustralia. That's the attitude.
All I want us to do is beat Chile.. I don't give a fuck what's to be said. LEAVE IT TILL AFTER WE HAVE WON!
X4
Too both sides, that is...
If this shit continues I will seriously consider leaving eAustralia
Louise, i refuse to sit around while people call me a mass murderer. considering my family suffered under the USSR im sure you understand how stupid that is,
i havent seen an apology for calling us murderers, have you?
Tim I pay no attention to RL stuff brought into the game to attack players.
I just get deeply irritated by these articles & all the time & effort put into them
& the arguments back & forth.
scottty has the right attitude - we concentrate on Chile & leave the other stuff till later.
Even better - we leave the other stuff out of eRep - all it is doing is irritating Aus players
& providing comfort & amusement to our 'in game' enemies.
We have a forum & IRC for those shennigans
whingefield was quite welcome to join the conversations, but he has flatly refused to work with the government on the ATO issue.. in fact he has flatly refused to work with them on anything. therefore he is a threat to the OTHER TOP 5
Louise, don't leave and don't worry about it.
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I've tossed up whether to buy in to this and debate you or not, Mr Crumpets.
In the end, I agree with Louise. My current goals and focus are community and trying to fight the good fight for our country to show win or lose we are strong.
The last 3 odd weeks has shown what we can do when we come together. I'll stand on that record regardless, and continue to focus on that.
You continue on looking for scandal, k.
Ranger Bob you are doing an excellent job
I am impressed & fully support you \o/
I agree with Louise.. Like i said before, in the 1 year that i've been on eRep, this is the best and most active government i have seen. Ranger Bob for CP in December!
And to think that i was actually considering voting for Wingefield last month.. LOL
I don't like what Wingfield has done but I believe that declaring GGP a PTO threat is just plain not right.
Well... Damm i guess you caught us elites.
Good job, Everyone just surrender we have been revealed.
Don't call someone a PTOer because he won't play ball against his believes. Wingfield is as far from a PTOer as my granny is from coming back from her grave.
Hey South Africa - butt out of our elections thanks and take care of your own backyard.
Wingfield made a good US Congressman, come home wingfield!
the world is gonna end i actually agree with binda33
I don't like what Wingfield has done but I believe that declaring GGP a PTO threat is just plain not right. x2