Open letter to the government of Belgium
shadowukcs
Dear ppl of Belgium, dear ppl of EDEN, Phoenix and Neutral nations
This is a open letter addressed to the government and to Olv007, eBelgian president in particular. This is a responds to his article EDEN, go Home
Dear olv,
Let me first say that I am getting sick and tired of your “Belgium for RL Belgium’s”-slogan. At first I thought you were just a bit frustrated that you didn’t had full power in congress, but now I’m just starting to get enough of it. It is just plain racist and if you continue with doing it, I WILL report you for racism and I assure you, you WILL get banned for it. This is a game that is open to everyone and everyone should be welcome in eBelgium, whether they are RL Belgian, RL American, RL Russian or RL Indonesian… Everyone is welcome here and slogans like “Belgium for RL Belgians only” show not only racist behavior but also little understanding of this game. I am a RL Belgian, proud of it and I for one feel deeply ashamed when countrymen like you post such slogans. Everyone should be welcome here if they are willing to help the country out. And that is exactly what those so called “EDEN forces” are doing. I know many of the ppl reading this won’t believe me so I invite you all to take a look at the Belgian forums:
clickme (mutual protection pact discussion)
Here you see me and jason contributing to helping out in the debate on how to preserve our neutrality. Giving idea’s and making contributive posts. Where do you see Olv in this debate? Strange coz I don’t see him. Surely a president must have some opinion or input on matters of how to preserve our neutrality?
Let’s take a further look
In these topics here
clickme (discussion on gift taxes)
clickme (discussion on weapon tax)
clickme (discussion on housing tax)
Jasonalwaysready, Rod Damon and Jarhead debating about taxes and our economy. Look at those debates and see who has contributed the most to the essence of the issue? Who has given the best advice? Indeed, those so called “EDEN congressmen”… And yet again, the question remains: where Is Olv007, our dear president, in this very important debate??? Exactly, nowhere to be found
Let’s have a look at this:
discussion about the political structure
A large post made by me to set up a political structure. This structure was later used and implanted in Belgium. What is Olv’s structure? Where is Olv’s input? You would think that a president is supposed to be present at a important thing like a political structure debate or should at least have a opinion about this? … apparently not.
Or what about this
clickme (proposal for a translation team)
ThomasRED wants to set up a translation team. Who’s the first to offer his help? Exactly Jasonalwaysready, one of those so called “evil congressmen”. This man doesn’t speak dutch, French or German but is still willing to help out and put his time in this for the sake of eBelgium. Why doesn’t Olv007 (who does speak fluently French, Dutch and English btw) apply??
Or what about this?
clickme (debate where we set up a military structure)
we are setting up a military structure. Who brings in proposals and gives advice on how to set such thing up? Exactly me and Wektras (a RL Pole). What is Olv’s contribution to this debate? What is his opinion on the military? How would he like to see it?? We can only guess, as Olv didn’t participate in the debate.. nor in any of the other debates in the military section.
We can only guess seeing as Olv didn’t saw the need to participate in the debate I can only guess he doesn’t care for the military… nor for taxes it seems…. Nor for a political structure…. Nor for translation…
Do such contributions look like the actions of a PTO squad to you? Do you really think that a PTO squad in interested in helping the country they are PTO'ing? no!!
I can go on and on with naming things where we have contributed in and Olv didn’t even bother making one post. In fact, I dare Olv here to post in this topic one thing he has done for eBelgium in his function as president so far. One constructive debate he has contributed to severely in so far. One topic, one achievement in the 2 (or is it 3) weeks he’s been president of eBelgium. Because as far as I can see, Olv has done nothing in those 2 weeks. Absolutely zero. His only achievement in those 2 weeks is that he has made a government that he knew would get protest and has done nothing but complaining about a few rogue congressmen who made some fake proposals (in which we, his so called “EDEN PTO’ers” voted against to help him out) and moan around about congress voting against ThomasRED as MoD.
If it wasn’t for our contributions, this country would be at the exact same level as it was 3 weeks ago when Belgium was RW’d. If it wasn’t for us, nothing here would have changed. WE HAVE DONE MORE FOR BELGIUM THEN HE HAS!
In fact, I think this whole fuss is just Olv being pissed that congress voted Thomasred out as MoD. That is why he’s doing this whole thing. Congress had a democratic vote of no confidence in Thomasred as MoD and he was voted out. This action was not only supported by many congressmen, but also by many citizens (several RL Belgians and party members of Olv). Even ThomasRED his own generals didn’t agreed with him being MoD. Even after this congressional vote, it seems as Olv refuses to accept congress his decision as we still don’t have a MoD (or not even a “who wants to be MoD”-topic). This whole thing is not because we are a PTO squad (because we are not), and not because we are foreigners. This is because we disagree in a democratic way, with Olv’s decisions. And he can’t accept that, so instead of debating and finding a solution he attacks us on our RL nationality and our past in e-rep. Which in my opinion is plain sad and shows how desperate he is.
Olv, it’s time you see the facts, we are NOT a PTO force. We have contributed more to Belgium than you have and, unlike you, we accept democratic decisions made in congress. A president is not the master of a country but a servant of the public. And that is something you fail to see. Stop those racist “Belgium for RL Belgian” –slogans and accept that you can’t have everything your way. Stop nagging about a few foreign congressmen and start doing your job. Stop moaning every 5 minutes and learn that in this game congress has the power and the president must accept their decision. And if you can’t learn to accept that, then go play some other game. Belgium should be a place for everyone, regardless of their RL nationality.
Because we aren’t leaving. We are not a PTO group and we have all right to be here and help turn Belgium into a free and independent state.
Signed
Shadowukcs
RL Belgian
Ordinary guy staying in Belgium to help the country out and who enjoys building a country from scratch
Comments
FIRST!
When you stated that Belgium for Belgians was racism I lost interest in the rest of your article. Its all a load of Blah Blah Blah for the rest. Belgium is peaceful without the foreign influences. All that you are helping to prove is that you want belgium to be an EDEN puppet.
They are making a EDEN puppet state of Belgium.
we aren't racist. Belgian's are welcoming, but olv007 sees a problem with the congressmen Eden.
That's all. We are bored to be see... Eden blabla bla.
obvious EDEN propaganda is obvious
Thats a mighty cool story you have there brother.
Minor mistake: I'm RL lithuanian 🙂
Auggustus +1
sorry Wektras, my mistake 😃
Elynea: those congressmen are contributing more most others congressmen. Look at the links. Without those US congressmen (who are only from the US IRL) we would still be at the same point we where 3 weeks ago.
It is unfair to tell them to get out when have done more then most others here.
Shadow, you are being quite one-sided.
- Free Bread Campaign
- Neutrality Committee
- Constitution First Draft
- The upcoming SMU campaign
- The SOL connection and MPP discussions
- Issue of the Ministry of Defense
- The forum
- and many more...
I have contributed more than any of the Congress members. And please note that I am not an EDEN Congress Member. I support olv007!
so stop being one-sided and biased and only showing your side. Olv wants to do something too but your group is giving him a hard time and is blocking all his ideas. You are being unfair! You are the one blocking the progress of this nation... and may i ask, why are you still here?
i vividly remember that you said in the irc that you were no longer an ebelgian after your defeat but you work for EDEN now...
somehow, i can never trust you!
thank you manong, but you are an exception, not the rule. you have put in a lot of time and effort... but who else? certainly not olv. you say we block all of his ideas... what are they?
tl;dr. SiaB.
You could never trust him because he was e-born in an EDEN country and is not a real-life Belgian; that's what you're saying. In the eUSA, we've had Congressmen who were from Russia, Indonesia, Scotland, and even Australia in real life, and it never seemed to bother anyone.
Manong, you are, like Jason says, the exception on the rule. And I wasn't talking about you in this article here
You have indeed done allot for eBelgium. But of all those thing you mention there, Olv has been involved in very few so far.
as for: "i vividly remember that you said in the irc that you were no longer an ebelgian after your defeat but you work for EDEN now..."
I am sorry to say so, but I think either your memory or mine must be wrong coz I never said I wouldn't be a ebelgian after my defeat.
Also, what idea's of Olv did we block? He hasn't posted any idea's so far, so how can we block them then, even if we wanted to. (not saying that we actually would block idea's... unless they are damaging for the country ofc)
The truth is there for those who take the time to find it.
Otherwise as a certain congressman told a certain President today,
"Olv, pass it. ignore these jerks. they have minority now. we need to convert the money to get going. Dont worry, Ill cover the PR."
http://ebelgium.forumotion.net/congress-debate-area-f8/move-4919-esp-and-1649-gbp-to-nbb-bnb-t147.htm" target="_blank">http://ebelgium.forumotion.net/congress-[..]7.htm
From an external point of view, EDEN are not helping out eBelgium, they are ruining its economy and using it as a puppet state.
And that's racism?
Nope.
Yes Rod damon, I clearly said that and I would say that again. we need this training war and i think we all should just go for it. I dont think Olv will steal the money, I really do believe in that.
what are you guys blocking? the national bank contract based from eUSA CBO! the training war, the issue of the Minister of Defense. Although I can say that Olv and his cabinet are lacking some action, there is no time to argue and be critics of each other. Dont block him, push him!
and at rod, i am only waiting for the law to be proposed and i will publish in my newspaper why it is needed and why we can trust olv and why this blocking from your group is slowing the progress you all are asking for so much.
Manong, no offence but you are just plain naive. I have seen way too much ppl run off with a treasury to know the importance of a good contract.
When we are blocking that, we do it because we want a 100% secure contract and not something where next month (who knows, maybe we have another president then) or the month after, some guy runs off with all money.
That is not called blocking the government, that is calling doing what is best for Belgium. That is called stopping a contract that isn't secure and valid.
shadowukcs, that is why I asked jason that he should also hurry up into proving that. Also, can anyone propose a VALID contract for Olv and the MoF to sign? They are willing to do another one, so why not propose a valid one? DO IT NOW! Youve been arguing about this since a long time ago and dont tell me you havent prepared anything?
if i wasn't a bad girl i would say : you are jalous Shadowukcs.
Manong will be a nice president too, Olv007 had do a lot of things, you don't see them, but it's a fact.
I always say thanks to manong for his work. Do you really think, we must be in congress to make a thing for this country?
No man, Olv007 as a lot of belgian's are bored to see the accusation of eden to destabilize the country and which maybe the opinion of the persons in Belgium.
It would be different if Eden had no majority at the congress.
It is very different to see a reconstruction of Belgium or to work in UK, you don't find?
Why does EDEN don't want me to help my country ?
Phoenix didn't choose for Olv007 the people he can choose or not to be in his governmnent...
My owns general ? I didn't choose them, once again, there was EDEN guys, to set up neutrality in the HQ of Belgian Army.
You decided that i was bad for Belgium ?
I have noticed it and i'm glad to see who are the real opponents of a free Belgium...
A debate about me having two ministeries have been launched, and even if accepted to took 2 ministeries to help, and i didn't want it first, i agreed that it wasn't the best situation... So i resigned from one of my ministeries, but a vote still have been started after... What was the problem ? Me having 2 ministeries, or me ?
It's really sad to see Belgians who can't help their country, their countrymen for who they have always worked for since they are ingame.
Working together, i agree. I want a strong Belgium.
But choosing its partners ?
What is it ?
Does Belgium is a protectorat of ... (i can't say the name or i will be blame once again), and does Belgium is not able to choose the best people to manage itself ?
Racism? hardly. Nationalism? probably... But the USA of all can understand that 😉
Good work my friend Hopefully I can help in the discussions on the forum once I get caught up on reading everything.
Observing the work in Congress from the sideline, I'm also under the impression that the so called "EDEN people" were responsible for most of the constructive input, unlike most "RL Belgian" Congressmen. But I must also add that blocking the contract with the National Bank org without proposing a suiting alternative isn't a sign of real cooperation.
'Belgium for Belgiums' is xenophobia, not racism, stupid. Racism would be saying that every American is a stupid, fat, self-righteous hypocrite. Xenophobia is anti-foreginer, racism is anti members of a certain race. Which race is he being racist against?
Shadowukcs, sorry to say so, but you are a carnival attraction on your own.
And for good decencies (something you have to learn), I will not post some particular posts of some particular persons to rest my case.
I'm also tired to repeat myself all the time. You only want to hear what suites you.
To resume:
- What you and your people di😛 blabla talk blabla insult blabla end of story
- What we do: blabla talk act end of story
Now let's get back to work shall we? What do you think? Less talking and more acting, seems to be a good deal no?
Shadowukcs you can write well, biased and only giving criticism to your opponents. Look to the so called experience proposals of your Eden friends. Look to the threats of Eden to kill independence of Belgium when Belgium wants really independence.
It sucks your propaganda. You are only a Eden puppet. And as you are real life Belgian, you are welcome to be that. But no need for you to destroy our nation. I hope you start to report Belgians for Belgians or whatever for racism. When you have failed, please leave.
What is the fact we want people that work for the Belgian interest. You are NOT doing that. You are just trying to get EDEN the boss here and destroying all who oppose that. No problem I have with that because it is a game. Your priority is outside Belgium. So please go outside. 😛
Belgium for Belgians isn't racist, if it was called "Belgium for white/black/green/see through or whatever color people only" then it would've been racist. You can be any color and feel like a Belgian.
Olv: You have yet to post any evidence of specifically your actions. I know nothing of the situation or how its being handeled so I am judging based on Evidence. Shadow has evidence of constructive things they have done. You do not.
Also saying Belgium for Belgians is racist is a bit extreme if you asked me.
Some more stuff: I like after all the talk of neutrality the proposed Minister of Defense is living in Russia with a Phoenix avatar. Makes total sense.
How is Belgium a pawn of EDEN? I have not seen them do anything Pro-EDEN yet except have a few EDEN born congresspeople.
Blocking a contract until it is 100% safe is a good thing, look at what happened to France.
Elynea: So a few rogue congress made horrible proposals for exp. How is that the same as EDEN trying to destabilize the country? Proof or stfu plz.
ThomasRE😨 If EDEN didnt set that stuff up, youd be under enemy control, so please troll elsewhere.
Thanks and good night.
These newspapers and discussions lead to nowhere. You'll always end up repeating the same arguments, propaganda, etc... You'll never actually persuade the other side.
Side 1 tells the truth, and side 2 lies
Side 2 also tells the truth, it's actually side 1 that lies.
No you lie, no you, no you, no you, no you, no you,....
Wpack10: "If EDEN didnt set that stuff up, youd be under enemy control, so please troll elsewhere."
Strange, and here I thought EDEN was our enemy, being our conquerors and all?
Shadowukcs: if you are Belgian, why don't you write in French or Dutch?...
In the interests of full disclosure, I have Belgian citizenship, and am currently in the US.
Just as an experiment, I thought I'd read some of the above comments, and try to guess the nationality and location of the author.
I found very few Belgians in Belgium. These would be: ShadowUKCS, Wektras, Manong, JasonAlwaysReady, Olv007, and Belgianguy. Shadow's the guy who lost the Belgian presidency last time and wrote the article. I don't know Wektras or understand what he wrote. Manong is slowly convincing me he's genuinely interested in true neutrality. Jason used be be American, like me. Olv007 is the current president. It's too bad he didn't seem to have a coherent response to Shadow. Belgianguy seems to be legit Belgian, but his shout of 17 days ago "oh great, here comes EDEN to steal our treasury a second time" implies to me he had his mind made up before this debate began.
Netherlands citizens in the Netherlands, perhaps missing the old UNL, make up a vociferous group (EDEN puppets, etc.). These include Auggustus, Epix, and Yasupa... (wall of text tbc)
The most interesting group to me was holders of Belgian citizenship who are currently living elsewhere (like myself). Tell me where they are now, and I can pretty much tell you what they think of Belgian "neutrality". All of the following have Belgian citizenship, but live (and are presumably fighting) elsewhere. Me-- in the US. I'd love to see Belgium in EDEN, but I'd be happy with true neutrality. Elynea-- encamped in the Russian fortress of Kaliningrad, periodically pops up to deliver statements about what she views as Belgian "neutrality". ThomasRed-- was almost Belgian MoD, but was rejected as being too pro-PHX. He now lives in Jillin, Russia. Johann Sebastian-- Fortress London. Niemand, who accuses Shadow of "bias"-- Fortress London. Danie Cox-- Brazil.
Finally, you have kibbitzers from both sides who don't appear to have any real stake in Belgium. There's a smattering of Americans in America, such as Wpack, and citizens of PHX countries, like Galantai (who appears to be from Hungary based on his avatar, but accuses Shadow of not being sufficiently Belgian for not writing in French or Dutch.
What's my point in all of this?
This is whole issue is a mess of propaganda. Anyone who thinks either PHX or EDEN is pure in motive and action is naive. Consider the source.
I love all the Penicks coming in and claiming propaganda.
Yes I have no stake in the matter, and I have spoken to people from PHX and actually enjoyed talking with them. I try and steer clear of politics. My main issue with this thing is, Shadow was accused without a good theory, He provided evidence on the contrary and in so challenged Olv, Olv has yet to provide evidence of his pro=belgium actions.
The End. Im just going by what is provided to the regular reader.
*insert pro-eUS comment that appeals to the mass of eBelgians as well*
FREE FRANCE!!!
Lots of Belgians are Phoenix. This is because they lead the UNL when it joined Phoenix. They live abroad for muc much much higher salaries/to fight with Phoenix, as they cannot fight in Belgium. Belgium is neutral by necessity, and any change (as would happen if EDEN/people who would immediately join Phoenix got a majority) would currently be fatal. Until western Europe is back again, and the importance of Belgium is reduced, Belgium must remain neutral.
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Shadowukcs, la Belgique n'a pas besoin de toi !
EDEN GO HOME !!!
Vive la Belgique LIBRE !!!
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"The truth is there for those who take the time to find it."
That says it all.
Eden countries, "Phoenix is bad!"
Phoenix countries, "Eden is bad!"
eBelgium, "Everybody but Belgians are bad!"
At least we only hate one side, not everybody.
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manong rizal strangs you tell them again to do all the work why cant mister president make the good contract ???
EDEN propaganda
I'm RL Canadian - it's your in-game loyalties that we're questioning. Admins won't buy your "racism" sob story.
Olv007 You Posted this "Now let's get back to work shall we? What do you think? Less talking and more acting, seems to be a good deal no?"
If you and your supporters really wanted to work, and not talk then why in the hell did you go to the Media? Why bash everyone that does not agree with you? Olv007 you are aware you posted the article that got all this media War started.