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Not another Minister... and this one for only 2 days per month!

No thanks.

HATE bureaucracy.

Good effort but I'd vote this down so quick you wouldn't even see me coming.

Ministers are a good thing, Sara, when they beget activity or provide a useful service.

It's not like we pay them; essentially, it's charity work.

Interesting idea, Gaius, look forward to discussing it with you in Congress.

I agree with Caesar. This minister can really help out with the elections, and the cost isn't too bad either!

Hmmm...Interesting.

As promised in my platform, I am proposing the creation of a new ministry named Elections Canada for the purpose of ensuring fair and open elections without prejudice to those unable to cope with the financial burden, and also to ensure that wholesale skirting of anti-bribery laws are curtailed.




This is not going to work.
How are you going to stop it?

Of course, you'd have to get that passed in Congress.
You'd need the votes of the 2 parties you want the most money out of to boot.

I for one do not think that the government has any place interfering in Congressional elections.

Its the conflict of interest of the legislative - which exists to protect the populations from the executive, or President's Cabinet.

The 'security measures':
"...will be staffed by a Minister who must remain impartial. The Minister therefore cannot be a current or former party president, nor hold any political party positions..."

Not possible. You cannot ask one person to be impartial. You need a board of representatives from each Party involved to ENSURE impartiality. In which case you've got the trimmings of a case of the bureacracy is expanding to meet the expanding needs of the bureacracy.

The bottom line is that the Parties that win elections don't do it by fluke. Some have relied on fluke in the past, but those days are over.

Long over.

Tyler F Durden does not support this idea.
Not needed.

Perfect Tyler. I have also responded in the thread.

Cheers

Oh, HELL no.

It sounds like an extravagance in terms of spending when we have much to do to rebuild our infrastructure and economy and have had so many Canadians fighting with bare hands in the recent conflicts ... why subsidize moving tickets when we can't even subsidize guns to help our new citizens grow more quickly in strength

I don't see how spending thousands of CAD and creating a new org is going to stop bribery. This is a waste of hard earned taxpayer money. I will not vote yes on this.

why should parties be taxed for being big? im a bit skeptical here caesar

Obviously the parties won't be happy, but I like it. How will the ministry be sure that only players that can't afford it get them?

since there is currently no punishment for giving tickets to voters to enable them to vote in non hospital regions there is really no reason for this ministry.

I think its a good idea but nobody seems to mind that every election voters are moved.

Anti-Bribery Act: http://ecanada.ws/forums/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=136" target="_blank">http://ecanada.ws/forums/viewtopic.php?f[..]t=136

haha gaius i did not say there was no law against it, i said there was no punishment.

i dare say most of congress would need to be locked out of the forums as i know for a fact that parties organize their voters to ensure members are elected.

in the words of some old rap stars "it ain't a crime if you dont get caught"

To truly justify this ministry we would need to start fining violators (who's fines could then fund future ticket purchases lol)

This actually reminds me of a scene in downtown vancouver. it is against the law to use a great number of drugs. However there is a police station on the corner of main and hastings and you can see from the police station (often occuring on the door step) people using these illegal drugs.

Its not enough for something to be against the law, one must be punished for violating said law, otherwise its just a piece of paper in some dark dusty irrelevant place.

That's the idea, without this Ministry we have no ability to punish violators of the Anti-Bribery Act. You can't punish 30 Congressmen, right?

With the creation of this Ministry, we could ensure a level playing field, not between parties as most parties are well-funded enough to pay for their own tickets, but more for the lower level Congress candidates.

How will this organization be able to prevent people bribing with items other than moving tickets?

to Quote from the current law:

The offering or acceptance of money/items under the condition that a vote be cast for a specific candidate of any political election.


So, basically everyone who offered or received a moving ticket whether in public or in private has violated this law then?

No.

Prosecution would have to prove that there were conditions of receipt of Moving Tickets. That requires evidence.

That would force the defence to invoke eRep Law 3.2, making access to evidence protected by eRep Law, which supercedes any eNation state law.

Prosecution wouldn't have anything to build a case on without evidence.

That would invoke eRep Law 2.2 (No insult, public accusation without proof, or indirect attack on a citizen are allowed.)

Not only that, but the Prosecution would have to prove that the voter would have voted otherwise...

Just sounds like a lot of work for no tangible benefit.