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Has Atlantis actually made this demand? All I've seen in Dish and he isn't Atlantis. He doesn't even speak for eUK.

In all fairness I'm not sure if it's formal, but it's been talked about enough to make it an issue in my eyes.

@Eugene: I believe you are correct, although Squiddy, the eUKs Minister of Foreign Affairs (the equivalent of SecState) has now made the same demand. They are threatening some sort of trade sanctions.

I hate to say, i really do, but I actually think it should be paid, and then we should leave atlantis, yes they are hypocrits from what i have seen, but we did wrong, we didnt follow the guidelines in the articles that we are bitching they didnt follow. Did we demand they pay up? not that ive found. so thats our fault. uncle Sam made the mistake, the money should come out of his ass! not the taxpayer

@Justin: No.

2 other countries didnt follow the guidelines. We are not to pay if the other 2 don't. Make an example out of us. We won't pay.

Not trying to be a jerk Hari.. but it really isn't up to you. Also, the fine hasn't been handed down yet. It is being handled internally by ATLANTIS. Even Uncle Sam accepts that the proper protocol wasn't followed, but as I pointed out in my article ( http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/secretary-of-state-inwegen-s-response-to-atlantis-744789/1/20#comments ) There are loop holes in the treaty. I am for making previous violators pay up in addition to ourselves.

We need to be stricter on this rule and setting a precedent by making all offenders pay it will make the rule more important.

wow I guess none of you are RL Texans. Grow a pair! Jeez

It may not be up to me, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by without at least letting my voice be heard.

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Mmm Do I detect the coming of a brand new senator from the Great State of TEXAS? We could certainly use ya

Muljo I live in Texas. A law is a law only if everyone follows it though.

I follow suit, we should only pay if the other two prior treaty breakers do so first. Otherwise the treaty is as good as broken and needs to be rewritten. As it stands the treaty is moot.

Hari, I agree like i said, that we need to pay and then the best bet in my political, and federalist view would be to get out of Atlantis, Secure our borders, Build a relationship with Canada, Give back one region to Mexico if they leave peace, and allow us to send U.S citizens to assist in running of the government and re-building their economy, therefore building a strong relationship with both of our neighbors that would allow us to practice war games with both countries that border us. This is just my opinion on what should be done, it dosent count, but i have expressed this to desertfalcon in which i will have to vote for, instead Uncle Sham.

@Muljo: Our current representative has made all the right votes in my eyes so far. I wouldn't want to replace him with anyone, including myself.

@Justin: I'm sorry, but I can't agree with any statement that includes the phrase

"we need to pay"

Idk, I think the tax thing is getting a lil bit excessive...

@ sean

Mmm yet no one cares about illegal immigrants...most Texans have that streak of independence and do whatever the common sense thing is to do. When there's a stupid law being enforced or a good law not getting enforced, Texans are the few ppl that have the guts to do something about it. That's what I'm refering to

If I could do soemthing I would. But yet, I am just a lowly level 9.

If they want to treat the eUSA as different than eSpain or eRomania then I say we walk. Screw Atlantis and screw the eUK. The eUK needs us more than we need them.

"@Eugene: I believe you are correct, although Squiddy, the eUKs Minister of Foreign Affairs (the equivalent of SecState) has now made the same demand. They are threatening some sort of trade sanctions."

You're kidding. The eUK is going to put trade sanctions on us? Do we do a lot of importing of Brit goods? Do we export much to them? Seems more likely that it would hurt them more than us.

If the fine is levied, it will be disproportionately harsh, and selectively enforced.

Spain and Romania did it, and they didn't have to pay. But we do?

This is like a cop stopping three speeders, letting the first two off with a warning, then shooting the third in the head to make a point.

Even if we decide to do the "honorable" thing and pay up, does anyone have any idea what this will do to our economy? We already raised taxes significantly to pay for better defense. If we pay this fine, you can forget about that. For the next several months, we'll be paying our "allies" to forgive us our breech.

@Inwegen: true, it's not up to us citizens. You government officials will make the decision. We really don't have a say.

But as a citizen, I can tell you this: I will support no candidate who supports paying this extortionate and selectively levied fine to our "allies".

And if it passes, my tax dollars won't go to pay for it. I'll move to another country, and watch from afar while the eUS bankrupts itself trying to please our "allies". I'm willing to pay taxes for a stronger defense, but not to mollify members of an alliance that may not want us in it anyway.

Wow this seens a hastily considered idea, I must respectfully disagree

Voted. While ATLANTIS' demands seem to be largely in discussion, the very notion that we should pay a fine for an offense that eSpain and eRomania got a free pass on offends me greatly. "ATLANTIS turning over a new leaf" just doesn't cut it for me; if ATLANTIS truly wants to become the uncompromising bastion of justice the proponents of this fine claim it is, then they'd fine offenders in chronological order of offense, meaning we wouldn't be obligated to pay till eSpain and eRomania paid up first.

If there's a rational explanation as to why eUSA should pay this fine when the two previous offenders don't get so much as a mild reprimand, then I'd love to hear it; otherwise the idea of imposing seems to be primarily motivated by prejudice.

I deeply hope ATLANTIS wouldn't go through with such a profoundly hypocritical move as to fine us; but if they do we should give them the finger and take our allegiance (and our guns) elsewhere.

Finally, to echo the sentiments of so many other eAmericans, there's no chance I'm voting for anyone in favor of paying such a fine.

LOL

@Gin: If ATLANTIS really wants to try to reshape the alliance into a much more unified, more strictly enforced coalition, then fine.

The problem is that you can't create unity when your first action is so damn divisive.

Dont worry Inwegen, you are a jerk. Paying this would mean that a bunch of liberal panzes actually really do run our country. You are trying to fix something that just does not deserve to be fixed. Both of these alliances are a bunch of BS, and Atlantis seems to be a bunch of whiny little bitches with all the in fighting going on and then this crap about making the US pay the fine when no one else has. They are counting on the fact that we will do what is in there minds the right thing. The right thing is to follow the contract and it seems to me that the contract was broken a long time ago so we then have to follow the corse that has been set. So basically we dont pay a dime.

Excellent article as usual, Hari.

What's sad is that this response was written before the demands became official.

I guess I'm just ahead of the curve.