Mediums & Messages
Day 1,296, 12:20
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by Sperry
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Gotta love having Dead White Guys in our society
The debate over mediums extends well beyond eRepublik. But given that 1964 matters very little to most of you, and only Tom Hagen was eBorn by then, I'm going to gloss over it. Instead, I'd like to focus on the recent discussions about whether or not we need the Forums and IRC.
The eCanada forums we currently use have been around longer than I have. They came, if I recall correctly, just before I joined the game after we moved away from another set of forums. Those were far more colourful, I'll admit, but by age and amount of use they pale in comparison. IRCs have been around even longer - they've been a gathering point for internet communication for years, and certainly outstrip eRepublik in terms of their simple effectiveness.
But to the non-Forumers and IRC-wary, what are these things for? Surely I can survive the daily strife of politics in this game without adding another bit of tedium to my work day. And IRCs may be simple to use, but how the devil do I get on them? A Mibbit Rizon sounds like a Viagra-enduced toad, not a political medium.
Simply put, the Forums and IRC are an extension of this game. They compensate for the ebb and flow of eRepublik's mediums - PMs, shouts, and articles. Shouts and PMs have improved in that you can send messages to several people at once or shout without a 3-per-day restriction, a definite plus. But as we've seen with the recent fragmenting of the media module, far fewer people are reading the papers each day. I won't even get into how few Nooblets do.
Serious Cats would suggest that the Forums and IRC are absolutely essential to success in this game - that without them, our ability to organize any number of endeavours would be severely crippled. On this point, I disagree. The Forums are not essential. Petz, who is terribly old and rather silly, gets by just fine - he is hardly ever to be seen around the Forums or IRC. Similarly, two of my "IRL" friends play this game, and between them they've probably spent about 1 hour on metagame mediums. One of them hits in the Top 100 for Canadian soldiers. I use the IRC and Forums every day, and I couldn't make the Top 100 if I had an Alfagcard.
Kazuo the Unimpeachable recently quipped that "The CP has not been to the forum for 3 days and is still governing. Is the forum still relevant?" Our sparkly ex-leader is right - Rolo has not posted on the forums, at least in part because he is unable to do so. But, perhaps not surprisingly, there are two flaws with this reasoning:
1) The Executive has made extensive use of the Forums. By my count, every single member of the executive has been on the IRC since they took office, almost all of them in #eCan. Moreover, the President has "spoken through" (perhaps more literally than some may like
2) "Not Essential" and "Worth Tossing" are about as far apart as Rolo and Rylde. While they may appear to some as fairly similar, our lovely language uses different words on purpose. Are the Forums essential to the game? Obviously not, or they'd be a part of it. But should we get rid of everything that isn't absolutely essential? Please, God, no. Military Units are fun, but they're not essential. CAF and the TCO survived for ages without that little add-on. And I can still kill Swedes with the Q1s I make - should I stop pestering the CAF for those perdy Q5s?
We do not use the Forums & IRC because they are "essential". They're not. We use them because they improve the quality of our conversations, and therefore our gameplay. Groups are able to have back-and-forth discussions over a long period of time without 50 articles in the media, armies are able to strategize in real time without sending 100 PMs. These metagame mediums are not required to get through eRepublik, but they certainly make it easier. I, for one, will always take a paddle when going upstream. You can use your hands if you'd like.
I'd also like to address messages, while we're on this alliterative topic. Messages like the one posted in this Top 5 Swedish Newspaper. Scroll down to Comment #13, curtosy of a certain Cabinet Minister.
Claimed patriotic purposes aside, it's exceedingly hypocritical of an Administration to condemn someone one day, and copy them the next. Congressman Rylde, for those of you unaware, lost his masking on the helpful-but-not-vital Forums the other day for, among other things, promoting free handouts of weapons for anyone willing to fight for Sweden against Canada. Rolo, being reasonably intelligent, issued an executive order that Rylde lose his masking. Lost it he did. Today, however, we find our Vice President posting comments directing Swedish players to the same free-fighting source. It's posted in a medium they will definitely see - the paper outsubscribes all but 3 of ours, as over 2600 people have clicked the Ego Button.
Eager to drain Rylde of his supplies? Not an evil idea, so fair enough on that. But there are lots of ways to drain supplies from someone you don't like, and pointing Godzilla to the orphanage is not the way to do it. Is it honestly beyond the wit and bravado of this administration to dupe Rylde? I know he's a sneaky bugger, but really? The best way to stop him from having guns...is to make sure that the Swedish get them?
As we draw ever closer to the availability of the "Impeach" button, both camps have got to be wondering how likely it is that they will succeed. There's a lot on the line - if the Impeachment fails, then Rolo will have effectively been forgiven by both the public and two of the three branches of government (the 3rd is defunct). If it succeeds, however, then D'Addy and his friends are back out on the streets looking for another job, and we'll have a new President in runner-up Muglack.
I'm not sure which side will win out, but the message is clear: sort out your issues, Canada. It's a sorry situation indeed if the smartest people about are all begging to arm the Swedes. In government or not, that's not exactly the smartest thing to be doing if you want Canada on the map.
Eternally Weird;
Sperry
Gotta love having Dead White Guys in our society
The debate over mediums extends well beyond eRepublik. But given that 1964 matters very little to most of you, and only Tom Hagen was eBorn by then, I'm going to gloss over it. Instead, I'd like to focus on the recent discussions about whether or not we need the Forums and IRC.
The eCanada forums we currently use have been around longer than I have. They came, if I recall correctly, just before I joined the game after we moved away from another set of forums. Those were far more colourful, I'll admit, but by age and amount of use they pale in comparison. IRCs have been around even longer - they've been a gathering point for internet communication for years, and certainly outstrip eRepublik in terms of their simple effectiveness.
But to the non-Forumers and IRC-wary, what are these things for? Surely I can survive the daily strife of politics in this game without adding another bit of tedium to my work day. And IRCs may be simple to use, but how the devil do I get on them? A Mibbit Rizon sounds like a Viagra-enduced toad, not a political medium.
Simply put, the Forums and IRC are an extension of this game. They compensate for the ebb and flow of eRepublik's mediums - PMs, shouts, and articles. Shouts and PMs have improved in that you can send messages to several people at once or shout without a 3-per-day restriction, a definite plus. But as we've seen with the recent fragmenting of the media module, far fewer people are reading the papers each day. I won't even get into how few Nooblets do.
Serious Cats would suggest that the Forums and IRC are absolutely essential to success in this game - that without them, our ability to organize any number of endeavours would be severely crippled. On this point, I disagree. The Forums are not essential. Petz, who is terribly old and rather silly, gets by just fine - he is hardly ever to be seen around the Forums or IRC. Similarly, two of my "IRL" friends play this game, and between them they've probably spent about 1 hour on metagame mediums. One of them hits in the Top 100 for Canadian soldiers. I use the IRC and Forums every day, and I couldn't make the Top 100 if I had an Alfagcard.
Kazuo the Unimpeachable recently quipped that "The CP has not been to the forum for 3 days and is still governing. Is the forum still relevant?" Our sparkly ex-leader is right - Rolo has not posted on the forums, at least in part because he is unable to do so. But, perhaps not surprisingly, there are two flaws with this reasoning:
1) The Executive has made extensive use of the Forums. By my count, every single member of the executive has been on the IRC since they took office, almost all of them in #eCan. Moreover, the President has "spoken through" (perhaps more literally than some may like
😉) several of his cabinet members on the forums at a constant rate. To suggest that Rolo has gotten by without touching the Forums is extremely misleading.
2) "Not Essential" and "Worth Tossing" are about as far apart as Rolo and Rylde. While they may appear to some as fairly similar, our lovely language uses different words on purpose. Are the Forums essential to the game? Obviously not, or they'd be a part of it. But should we get rid of everything that isn't absolutely essential? Please, God, no. Military Units are fun, but they're not essential. CAF and the TCO survived for ages without that little add-on. And I can still kill Swedes with the Q1s I make - should I stop pestering the CAF for those perdy Q5s?
We do not use the Forums & IRC because they are "essential". They're not. We use them because they improve the quality of our conversations, and therefore our gameplay. Groups are able to have back-and-forth discussions over a long period of time without 50 articles in the media, armies are able to strategize in real time without sending 100 PMs. These metagame mediums are not required to get through eRepublik, but they certainly make it easier. I, for one, will always take a paddle when going upstream. You can use your hands if you'd like.
I'd also like to address messages, while we're on this alliterative topic. Messages like the one posted in this Top 5 Swedish Newspaper. Scroll down to Comment #13, curtosy of a certain Cabinet Minister.
Claimed patriotic purposes aside, it's exceedingly hypocritical of an Administration to condemn someone one day, and copy them the next. Congressman Rylde, for those of you unaware, lost his masking on the helpful-but-not-vital Forums the other day for, among other things, promoting free handouts of weapons for anyone willing to fight for Sweden against Canada. Rolo, being reasonably intelligent, issued an executive order that Rylde lose his masking. Lost it he did. Today, however, we find our Vice President posting comments directing Swedish players to the same free-fighting source. It's posted in a medium they will definitely see - the paper outsubscribes all but 3 of ours, as over 2600 people have clicked the Ego Button.
Eager to drain Rylde of his supplies? Not an evil idea, so fair enough on that. But there are lots of ways to drain supplies from someone you don't like, and pointing Godzilla to the orphanage is not the way to do it. Is it honestly beyond the wit and bravado of this administration to dupe Rylde? I know he's a sneaky bugger, but really? The best way to stop him from having guns...is to make sure that the Swedish get them?
As we draw ever closer to the availability of the "Impeach" button, both camps have got to be wondering how likely it is that they will succeed. There's a lot on the line - if the Impeachment fails, then Rolo will have effectively been forgiven by both the public and two of the three branches of government (the 3rd is defunct). If it succeeds, however, then D'Addy and his friends are back out on the streets looking for another job, and we'll have a new President in runner-up Muglack.
I'm not sure which side will win out, but the message is clear: sort out your issues, Canada. It's a sorry situation indeed if the smartest people about are all begging to arm the Swedes. In government or not, that's not exactly the smartest thing to be doing if you want Canada on the map.
Eternally Weird;
Sperry
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It is a proven strategy to combat a raging forest fire by starting a controlled forest fire in the path of the raging forest fire.
Rylde's support of the Swedes will expire when his supplies run out. The sooner he runs out of supplies, the better. Rylde has also proven that he cannot be negotiated with. Urgent times call for urgent measures.
The metaphor you make is quaint, but incorrect - you're not cutting off the fire from its fuel, you're increasing its exposure. That *might* make it burn out faster, but it might *also* mean that all of the supplies get to be used in the first place. An unused gun does not nerf our defenses.
"As we draw ever closer to the availability of the "Impeach" button, both camps have got to be wondering how likely it is that they will succeed."
If there is an impeachment vote it will fail. There's a number of contributing factors, but the biggest one at this point is Rylde.
His reaction to the election, and what he's done since has given Rolo supporters a rallying point to protect him and his office. Extreme actions cause extreme reactions, and Rylde's extreme actions have undoubtedly pushed people who had been neutral till this point into Rolo's camp.
In a vote that would of been close without extenuating circumstances, Rylde's actions have done those calling for an impeachment no favors.
I won't run out of supplies. I bought gold. CAD is cheap and so are Canadian Tanks.
No need for negotiation.
Pick one of the 3 available options.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-opc-update-i-don-039-t-roll-with-rolo-1794381/1/20
I disagree. Rylde the Swede only has so much forest to burn, we can accelerate the rate at which it burns.
I agree. We will burn up part of our forest that didn't need to, just to burn out Rylde the Swede.
Any unused gun within Rylde the Swede's armoury will not make its way to Canada's fight against Sweden.
20 more gold on MM below Market price. I'll buy another alotment of tanks with the CAD.
Raise those prices Addy there gonna peak.
Solid article Sperry, voted hard. o/
Addy, your logic is flawed here. And you're in a conflict of interest, since you're a big producer of Q5 weapons.
Good article, Sperry.
I would be in conflict if I was selling weapons Kronos, I'm giving them away.
Besides, the people in the companies are getting the weapons they make.
Sperry, this kind of article is what Rylde wants.
I don't play his game, neither you should.
Anyway, Rylde has already earlier publish the link before Addy did it. I don't think his comment cause any arms.
I prefer to blame Rylde for this mess.
Voted, quality article.
The King of Thieves married to the Lord of Hypocrites... Executive match made in heaven.
What's an IRC? must check that out someday
Liked the analysis on the necessity vs. usefulness of the forums/IRC in regards to a position like the CP. (it's a question I was raising in an article, yet your explanation out-swashbuckled me on that, Cap'n Jack Sperry). No doubt the forums is quite central to how Congress functions, but surprisingly less so for the 'leading' position in our country. Having liaisons to speak for Rolo does help, though I experienced some issues with that in the past. ; )
Muglack - righto. To borrow a metaphor from Addy, Rylde's burn of eCan may be extinguishing other flames. Why doesn't Rylde listen to me when I try to warn him about doing someone else's dirty work?
Sure Addy seems to be doing as backward stuff as Rylde has just done. Serious Cat are does not likes too much irony - makes it hard to decide if it's a sandbox or a litterbox. Maybe just play along like they are one and the same.
Rolo has turned the current game in eCan on his head if he does not get impeached. Some adjustments will need to be made if Muglack is not CP after D. 1,298, methinks.
Good timing by MOO to not endorse anyone and have Rolo on the Ballot in the first place.
What happened with Tem and the ballot and Wes. People refuse to connect the dots.
I drafted an "Important Dates" schedule in the MOO forum for the next PP so we don't miss CP endorsements. Should help fix those problems up, I hope.
To little to late and it reeks of BS.
well, I don't like to be told I am BSing, so here`s a screenshot to show I did do what I said I di😛
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/807/reminder.jpg/
Oh believe that you did it without even looking but all the actions that got to this point within your Daddy's party.
Something stinks. especially his blind servitude to rolo.
I'm considered new here. I'm in eRepublik for 34 days now & I joined the CAF & the IL to fight the best way I can for my country. But I see something that my country preserved a long time and that is going nuts for some time : democracy.
Let me explain and correct me if I'm wrong.
First, we have a country president that is accused of being a thief. Real or not (I believe it's real), he lost some of his credibility then (if not all). By democracy standards, if public decisions are made to make him quit, he quits. It may take some time, but he quits. As I could read, he also was forbidden to enter into eCanadian forum, which can be considered as a "We do'nt want you here" for Rolo. Again, a democratic method that surely means that he's going to quit at the next elections.
On the other hand, I see one guy that tries to pass directly through democracy with a smashing argument : if Rolo does not quit, I lend weapons to Swede and this country will take over ours.
Here's my question : WHERE IS DEMOCRACY IN THERE?
You just want to be interesting by bringing that military countermeasure. Do you want eCanada to be like this? In a perpetual military Law? I personally don't.
So here's my point : I dislike Rolo, but I love my country. I believe eCanada will survive the passing of a stupid president. What I do not believe is that military measures to weaken our global economy is the key to getting freedom to eCanada.
So Rylde, if you dislike democracy that much, you can at all time quit eCanada. You have the funds to do it, I believe. You said it in your comments.
Cadet Adam Samson, recently put into the Regular Forces of the CAF, hard worker and fervent eCanadian.
Oh. Excuse me. You already moved and incited others to move out.
"Its here and most of you deserve to lose your country. To the rest of you are collateral damage in this War. You'll be better for it in the end.
All the crap in the courts and loopholes in the systems, Bickering in congress purge it all. Only when we have no country will none of it matter and there won't be a congress.
Move to Sweden and grind Canada into dust. If you can't bring yourself to do that I advise that you move to an allied country and help with there struggles. Many soldiers have lost faith in this nation as I have and have fled to fight for nations worth fighting for.
Leave Canada to rot in the bed it made itself. To poor to move well then don't fight the Swede's help with one of our MPP battles."
By that epic delivery, you just prove your excellent qualities as a dictator and see that you really care about what has been created, something called a society.
Just to remind you : it's a country, not just a piece of land. You're not the only one here, and decide if eCanada deserves to rot or not is NOT a decision to make alone.
I thinks I just talked enough about the situation, so I'm gonna quit for today.
Not accuses convicted btw.
"I like your land I think i'll stay"
Anyways back to the purge.
I believe in dictatorships btw.
I clearly see that. What i do not clearly see is why a newspaper owned by a dictatorship believer is called "Rylde and Free".
I'm just asking where the "free" is within "dictatorship".
Because I'm wild and free.
I would really like that you post an article of this in your newspaper, explaining to all of your readers how is your conception of freedom, as your own personal freedom.
Your freedom against the freedom of others. Your freedom to force your decisions against the freedom of hundreds that don't want such radical measures to be taken. Explain that all of your supporters are only there to support YOUR freedom.
And I can hardly see which freedom it is. Freedom to constantly be the Swede bitch? You chose the wrong freedom, Rylde. Do you honestly think the Swede is gonna so grateful that he's gonna trust further, after the war has been done, someone who betrayed his own nation and killed hundreds of soldiers just because he had some problems with the political decisions of his own country? You could has well decide 3 months laters that the Sweden politics are no good anymore and turn back. I doubt, I really doubt that they even trust you now, even tough you send them a lot of weapons.
The fact that you're wild? I believe it. But no one wild is fit for society. The fact that you're free? You're less free than anyone that could be considered a eCanadian citizen, by your own decisions. And your delusions only inspire pity to me.
pity away and watch as your country burns. I pity the fact that the biggest thief the country has ever known runs it.
Were never going to agree on anything. I have my point of view and you have your point of view. We won't find a middle ground.
I have thought about what I am doing and knew what i was getting into.
I was willing to sacrifice my name and rank in this society to make sure the populace the newer ones are now informed and in the know of Rolo. They will be less willing to vote him in the future.
Rolo has been a plague on the nation for every presidential election as well as Party presidential election since he was ousted last time and his theft.
When you want to battle the devil sometimes your gonna burn with him and I'm willing to.
Will the swedes not welcome me with open arms maybe not but someone will and I'll fight with the patriotism that I held for canada for 2 years.
Less willing to vote for him???
Neither of us can make that call.
What exactly is left to negotiate?
You can call me what you want delusional or traitor i call you ignorant of the past.
Those in power of canada are stupid and slaves o laws that were written years ago that are broken and don't work.
To have there extra fun and sidebar bs talk they cripple the nation with useless garbage.
Most countries in this game laugh at all the extra administration we have, laws and courts. It reflects in congress for decision making. Only in times of being wiped out do they get off there asses and work together.
Gotta take down the system.
If Rolo could do one good thing for the benefit of the country it would be to abolish all the bullshit on the forums.
1.he stole more than money he stole companies that make money. he keeps making money off of the nations sweat everyday.
2. Addy lawrence is his puppet and talks for him on forum. he's not blocked of anything. having slaves and those to take screenshots.
Thanks of the details. It's real, I'm new and not fully aware.
Actually, thanks for an other reason too : it's actually the first time that you actually justifies your actions with arguments that were not becoming repetitive. It's actually very refreshing for this debate.
If I'm being offensive, I'm sorry. I'm pretty energic when it comes to arguing.
I'm going to repeat myself, but even with those new points, I don't see how Rolo could possibly be re-elected. Even with puppets, he dived a little too deep in troubled water too hope pass through an other election clean. Even those that believe in him can see that he would never gain again major popularity with his past scam. This is time for new faces, politically speaking. Notoriety is something too be reckoned with, because a good reputation is a hard win, but an easy loss.
If Addy Lawrence is his puppet, it's because he's more popular than the current president. He may be the new face. But when this time comes, will he still be a "puppet", like you clearly stated?
An other point that triggers my "energic" side : the bullshit on the forums. There's a saying (I heard it in French so the translation could be a little akward) : "Light comes from the collision of ideas". That means that the best ideas come from communities that gather to decide the best for everybody. That means, too, that all kinds of ideas should be presented to see all of the options. That's why forums are created. That's why the IRC channel of eRepublik is created (and it's why I've seen you in it). Maybe there's some "bullshit", I don't know now. What I know is that this bullshit would be commented by more than a dozen people and make something acceptable, even great sometimes. There's communication in a sane country, I'd like to believe that.
I enjoy the fact you keep talking to me. It helps me organise my opinions.
You don't know for a fact he won't be re-elected. That just opinion. Since your saying again. So will I. I'm getting the word out through extreme methods to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Addy is an oppurtunist nothing more. he can't win power himself so would ally himself as close to power as possible. Addy and Rolo are close friends from the past. He was MoF when Rolo jacked the country last time.
Abut forums and stuff I'm just saying it just be swept away and more simplier systems put in place. I've done some pretty traitorious things but still have all my accesses besides congress and I have the right to protest it. Come on. I should be shot in game. It will take weeks before anything is properly done to me.
With all the circling jerking considering an almost Rolo pardon people realize the system is broken yet refuse to do anything about it.
This message will be short (because I don't have time), so here's the basic :
- I agree on simpler systems, even though I'm accustomed to forums;
- I don't know Addy, so I've no opinion of him;
- Extreme methods are sometimes, SOMETIMES, responded to by a larger problem;
- Even if I disagree on the method, I still like to argue with you.
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