Let's Examine Hospitals and Retention
Woxan
Die superfluous hospitals! Die!
Today, we have 439 new citizens, according to the American society page. That's 439 new soldiers ready to take it to PHOENIX! Right? No, that number and the amount of citizens that stick around are misleading. Let's start with what I call the trickle. America does not baby boom as Poland or Spain do, with thousands of new citizens in a day. We have a steady influx of new accounts being created every day. This is effectively a baby boom over time. Other countries would kill for this many new citizens a day. But in America, the vast majority of these accounts do not work or train for the first time. Most of the remaining minority is gone in 2 or 3 days. I'd wager over 95%, if not more, of these guys are gone by level 5, the time they can fight. So we have ~25 (which is still a high estimate), of these 439 citizens still around. Pretty pathetic, isn't it?
Some people would argue that "these citizens quit because they didn't have a hospital!" Let's be honest here, most of these guys didn't even know what a hospital is in this game is, or what it does. The ones that do realize there's no hospital (the ones who would use the Q2, or whatever we put down), will move to a Q5 state.
The biggest problem behind American citizen retention is that this game is stale at this point in time. Can you blame the new citizens, and even us older guys? We more or less have a training war in Greece every day between EDEN and PHOENIX for us. The Spanish and Polish babies flourish because they see that Poland or Spain have attacked something every day since the day they joined. They get curious, and decide to stick around. Action and goals retain citizens, not hospitals.
The height of our activity was just after we kicked Hungary out of Canada. We fought fresh battles almost daily and had a goal: reclaim the United States and Canada in their entirety. After that, our uniting goal was gone, and we have begun to lose active population (the bulk of our 24k citizens are dead Americans, Chinese, and Indonesian citizens).
"What if we get a Polish style baby boom?"
Aeros discussed a hypothetical 100,000 new citizens. While this is improbable, let's say this we do get a big boom, and our population explodes to such a number. In our hypothetical, let's say Texas has gotten relatively more citizens compared to the rl proportions. These babies would not be able to fight for 5 days, and in that time, we can place down and acquire new infrastructure, as we'd reach the point to expand our hospitals. We have time to react IF such an event occurs. In the meantime, it is best not to shell out hundreds of GOLD for WHAT COULD happen. We have the ability to lay it down IF IT DOES.
The Entire Argument is Moot Until v2
Regardless of the outcome of this argument, we should not take a different course of action until v2 comes out or we know about stuff that will change. Fortress strategy could become invalid, or it could become the pinnacle of infrastructure strategy.
One last thing. This argument makes us look like idiots on the world stage. I remember when we did nothing, sat around, and were a half-assed ally until we finally got invaded. Our enemies AND our allies are looking at us now and laughing. We should focus on taking out PHOENIX with our allies in EDEN, not this.
Comments
secnd?
HAHA!!
Did zat sting? Sorrwwyy! *snap*
1st
>>The Entire Argument is Moot Until v2
The most important part of the article.
The clear and rational voice we need. eUS needs a new direction and the Woxan path seems to be just that one.
in line for tacos
100% agreed
True, don't waste money of hospitals
Woot first who read the article lol then checked who it was and was like ooo i better post lol
RWARRRRR
1st.
Meh I support at least 1 test Q2 hospital in NY/TX
Thank you Woxan!
I stuck around, didnt i? 😉
Amen. Someone finally talking sense. Please run for President again. Please.
Aeros has a good point of view.Nevertheless, I enjoyed the argue of Woxan.
lets get at the motha f'in eUK already!!!! I want to see them diiiie!
agreed, this was a major debate right before peace took over 95% your country
49 Q2 hospitals is crazy. Gold shoul be spent on tanking or more useful stuff.
words with light Woxan! voted 😛
>agreed, this was a major debate right before peace took over 95% your country
After that, everyone was like "oh, sh*t, I guess we better stick with the fortress strategy after all." 😛
Once again, Woxan is right.
"We should focus on taking out PHOENIX with our allies in EDEN, not this. "
Actually, this has everything to do with taking out PHOENIX. By retaining citizens, we bolster our fighters and they could be an edge that wins us a match. This is just as important as the battles are.
>>The Entire Argument is Moot Until v2
Yeppers
Why does this keep coming up... Fortress strategy is the way to go. We should be debating about other things.
IMO the population issue and trying to move forward through Phoenix's forces go hand in hand. If one doesn't work, the other will not either, and we will be stuck.
I also agree 100%
Great Article. I agree with it.
You contradict yourself. First you say newbs quit before they can fight at level 5. Then you say Polish & Spanish newbs stay because they get to fight at level 5.
...OK. LOL
Disagree. Having debate in the USA doesn't make the USA look stupid. The USA can juggle domestic and international concerns.
ssomo, your selective reading is acting up. The Poles and Spaniards stick around because they KNOW about their nation's intentions and can SEE them on the screen.
Buck Roger, this is a debate that needs to be put to rest. Fortress Strategy is proven to work, and any other "solution" is expensive and weakens our current regions and firepower.
Players who are interested enough in the game to begin with will stay and figure out how to play it, as with any other game, and there are loads of more complex games out there. I was interested enough and I figured out the basics.
What is the unifying force behind Americans and American patriots anyway? Hospitals don't make for active populations. Active populations make for active populations, i.e. they just are. I guess is that most people who register for eRepublik aren't impressed with the game at first or don't have enough commitment anyway, and feeling no pressure to stay, just leave. Having national goals and significant military operations underway are a good motivator. Trying to argue about other measures like the presence of hospitals is just ineffectual.
I'm sorry Woxan but while I'm not sold on placing a Hospital in every state will help with retention. When it comes to retention of new players are plan to keep them has epically failed. Status quo has to change because it is in no way working, if it was working we would not still be having this debate. If the Hypothetical baby boom of 100,000 were to happen we would not have time to react to retain them we can't even retain the 500 we get. When it comes to keeping new players are current plan is not working and we need to change it.
Christopher Eller, if we did get a MEGA BABY BOOM, they consequences (except for food consumption), wouldn't be seen for at least a week. We would have time to place down hospitals.
Woxan i agree the Hospitals would have time, and as i said I'm not completely sold on placing hospitals in every state would help. But how do you plan to keep 50,000 of that 100,000 if we cant keep 5% of our new recruits now. When it comes to keeping new players we need to change the way we are doing it because its not working. I'm sorry but are plan to retain new players is failing badly.
If we had another 5000 active players we wouldn't need the fortress strategy state.
Our current system of player retention does not work. We should be willing to try new approaches. The hospital debate is old and stale, this is true. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't continue. If we don't grow then we will die.
Woxan, if you are serious about the eUS not looking silly in front of Phoenix then you should encourage 3/4 of congress to resign.
I hate it when you're right. >_>
I concur, good sir
Q2 is a waste. Better off using resources supporting/retaining players who can search wiki or read their initial eRepublic email on what a new eUS player should do.
You bring up cost again. Not a factor that seems to concern the financier at all. Just ask Max and he'll tell you.
Why wait for a massive baby boom to happy when we could already have the infrastructure in place? Max would be happier to have advance notice even though we all know he would handle it either way.
I love the tactic of just wait till V2. Let's sit on our hands till V2 and hopefully you'll forget about wanting to add Q2 hospitals by then. Nice try, slick. Of course with the V2 changes building Q2 structures could very well be a necessary step in the right direction. So since we have no way of knowing why don't we just tear down all the fortress states and see what happens when V2 comes out. Oh wait that sounds even less intelligent doesn't it?
WOXAN ROCKS! VOTED!
We really do need some more action. I've been getting bored lately and I am a Ranger. So for the love of Christ, can we please invade the UK already!
well said!
5k GOLD would be a big cost, even for Max.
Q5 hospitals are like magnets. For every one we place down, the other Fortress states gets weaker as people move to the new Q5s and when wasteland citizens have to choose, that distribution is spread out.
I bring up V2 because wasting money now on something that has been shown to not work is stupid. We will reevaluate our strategy when the changes are made. The current one works and should stick.
i agree with you woxan in part.
we have not fight a battle in a week we toke kat and stop why?
the eu.k. and eirans the huns hell the echinas what happin?
jewitt was made the president again to fight and win not to sit on has hands and make us grow stale.
if we have the power and the PEOPLE want to fight lets fight.
but i do want eusa to start growing and a part of that is making the home land better to do that is a BUILDING BOOM.
more jobs more power for eusa and better elections not just 500 votes in cal or flo.
we don't need the fortress strategy any more to make more state stronger we need hospitals for a better eusa.
I hope this debate doesn't spread north o.O
~hyuu~ 😛
Don't worry Nosyt, we'll just bring Woxan up there to set everyone straight.
funny that Astra shouted this before Woxan even got to it...