Hostile take over of the CNC?
Rainer N
Well for those of you who don't know Jacobi has decided to set his sights on taking the Party Presidency of the Canadian National Coalition (CNC). It has all happened rather quietly so far, although I did suspect something was afoot when I read strange comments from the likes of Scorpius saying, "so you expect to keep the party presidency?" (this was weeks ago) . Then a week ago I was surprised to find that Jacobi had left the CPP and joined the CNC (without any article or fanfare that we usually see from big name politicians) and he is running for Party President. I thought for certain I would see Goran Thrax (a good friend of Jacobi) running again, as he was the previous party president to me. I then messaged Jacobi, welcoming him to the CNC and asking him to re-consider running for Party President, and instead why not participate with the CNC to help it rather than trying to control it after such a longstanding association with the CPP. Unfortunately, this has come to no avail, therefore I feel obliged to write about the situation and let all CNC voters know from my own, admittedly biased, point of view how I see Jacobi in this coming party president election.
Now at first I thought... well ...many long time players have switched political parties over the course of their eLives so I thought I should look into Jacobi's previous articles regarding his political leanings. The results of my research? In total, Jacobi has made OVER 50 unwavering references to the CPP in past articles.
Some Excerpts from Jacobi's previous articles;
"and my beloved CPP has National Revenue Minister Moffington, Communications Minister Lokes..."
-Welcome new congress critters
http://www2.erepublik.com/en/article/welcome-new-congresscritters--957345/1/20
"The CPP has always stood for things that I wanted to represent..."
-Prime Minister’s farewell
http://www2.erepublik.com/en/article/prime-minister-s-farewell--969589/1/20
"was extremely proud that the CPP gave me the chance to do what I did. "
-Prime Minister's farewell
http://www2.erepublik.com/en/article/prime-minister-s-farewell--969589/1/20
"I was extremely pleased with the result of my own party, the CPP. "
-Welcome new congress critters
http://www2.erepublik.com/en/article/welcome-new-congresscritters--957345/1/20
"it should surprise no one that I give unqualified endorsements to all members of the Canadian Paradox Party ...."
-Jacobi's congressional dream team
http://www2.erepublik.com/en/article/jacobi-s-congressional-dream-team-839782/1/20
So what is to be made of all this? Well, it is certainly obvious that Jacobi, no matter what he says, has and will (in my opinion) always remain strongly loyal to the CPP as he has for the roughly 8 months of his eLife ... prior to one week ago of course. The only conclusion I can draw from this sudden political change by Jacobi is that he wishes to control the CNC and influence it in the direction he wishes.
WHAT TO EXPECT
Jacobi will say;
1) That the reason he wishes to take over the CNC is because the CNC did not get enough congress seats. He will say this is my fault.
2) He payed for the formation of the CNC originally therefore deserves the Party President position.
3) The CNC has a problem with its platform.
MY RESPONSE TO THESE ARGUMENTS
1) Jacobi's own words : "I can more understand the CNC. After the exodus of star power from that party following Rainer N's victory, the CNC lacks a lot of the name brands that would have propelled it forward" ([bottom of first paragraph] http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/welcome-new-congresscritters--957345/1/20)
2) This is rather presumptuous; shouldn't the party president be the person who has the party's interest first and foremost at heart? I don't think you can buy the right to be party president!
3) Well, seeing as prior to my winning the party presidency the CNC did not have a forum or a platform, I would say the party has made some progress on this front. I feel that our current platform is a great basis from which to move forward. However, if the CNC membership feels it needs to be changed, then it will be changed.
IN CONCLUSION
Now that I have evaluated my political opponent and his arguments let me close in saying that I think you, the CNC voter, should vote for me for party president. Why you ask? Because even though the CNC has lost a lot of talented members, I have continued to progress the CNC forward. I created a forum where the CNC can exist, under my supervision the CNC forum participation has blossomed to over 40 active members, I have created an administration team to run the CNC. I recruited JBdivinus into the CNC who almost won the Prime Minister’s seat, I have, with the help of Screamingslave (my director of recruitment), have brought the CNC membership back from its low of 193 to its current 210. Furthermore, I am currently running a CNC congressional election operation whereby I have vowed to retake 9 congressional seats for the CNC or I will resign as Party President. Lastly, I think you should vote for me because I KNOW I am the best candidate to steward the CNC on a course of its own choosing rather than one that other politicians wish for it.
Rainer N
Current Party President of the CNC
Enthusiastic incumbent for re-election!!!!
PS. Now I'm sure you will see partisan comments on this article, just always consider the source and the motivations behind them. Make up your own mind!
Comments
*commences partisan commenting*
Rainer 1st of all Jbdivinus is still a DAL member and will return to the DAL after PP elections (sorry to burst your bubble)
I hate to inform you but Jacobi is doing something less of a TO and more like party hopping which is a common practice. People are extremely patriotic to the party they are in. That doesnt mean they can move to a new party and then be committed to that. I used to be a really enthusiastic CSD member. Then i joined the DAL and was an enthusiastic DALer. Did the DAL accuse me of being a CSD member trying to infiltrate the DAL. No. Same thing goes for Jbdivinus, who joined the DAL from the CEP and was welcomed into the party.
When you say Jacobi would try to control the CNC is that any different from how any PP control's their party. We can effect policy, pick candidates, order members around, etc. That is not specific to what Jacobi would do if elected. Its what ANYONE would do if elected. That is simply not a valid criticism.
This article seems to be quite paranoid. I think your afraid of losing your ill deserved position to a better candidate. You've basically cited articles where Jacobi says "Im a member of the CPP and i like/am proud of my party." I dont see how ANY of this proves he is somehow trying to TO the CNC. The way i see it he just wants to improve a Canadian party which he generously helped build, and is now being misused.
Poorly written article, and i expect to see ths repudiated in the coming PP election. Good luck Jacobi!
So says Mr. Bias himself
internal PTO's...how Hungarian
I dont claim not to have a bias. Doesn't mean what im saying isnt valid.
Scorpius did JBdivinus or Yourself immediately run for party president as soon as switching from your party that you belonged to for 8 months?
I agree with Scorp, you're afraid of losing to Jacobi so you try to turn this around and scare your Party members into voting for you.
Jacobi isn't going to turn the CNC into CPP Jr. if anything he's going to correct the path you put your party on.
No however i know a guy who did. It was before you were born and Emilio Sanchez, a well known CEP member, switched to the DAL and ran for PP. I freaked out, thinking it was a TO. Turns out all Emilio wanted was to improve the party and contribute to our community. (It was kind of a semi-TO though because Bruck was feeding him votes but thats not rly relevant atm). I completely regret the way i freaked out towards Emilio during that event (though not how i acted towards Bruck). I hope that after this election you will see what i saw and embrace Jacobi as a committed member of your party for that is what he is.
Happy thoughts people... happy thoughts
and thank you Trenton im glad we're back to agreeing 😃
Jacobi winning PP for the CNC means it would just be a puppet party used to back WDDH in the next election along with DAL/CPP.
The fact Scorpius seems very eager to jump into internal party politics of the CNC is because he knows this. Hell, I bet they have even talked about the CNC's endorsement if Jacobi wins already.
That is 100% untrue spencer. First of all any party lead by Jacobi would be no ones puppet i can tell you that. 2nd of all there has been no discussion from any potential candidate but JBdivinus about next election. True, I am quite informed on the goings on of all parties PP elections but i am not a part of your ridiculous conspiracy
Treian for PP! 😃
~hyuu~
I believe ill deserved is a little harse man. It was left to rot and Rainer decided to try to pick up the pieces and gain some experience in politics. Jacobi threw away a broken toy and now thats its working a little better now he wants it back. Alls fair in politics though GL Rainer.
I could also see it as turning them into a puppet party and swing them into voting there candidate when presidential elections come up again. The whole thing stinks. Boooo all politics.
I hardly think it is ridiculous. It seems obvious to me, at least. Jacobi will naturally want to back William Duncan, who was his Deputy PM. And I'm not sure what the majority of the CNC thinks, but they didn't seem to want to back WD
Well i believe ALL parties pick presidential candidates via a party wide vote so how would the PP impact that anyway?
By being a fascist and going it alone if they felt like it.
Spencer that is an unfair comment. Jacobi may be a friend of ours but that is in no way saying he will be a puppet party. Jacobi paid for the creation of the CNC with his own money and for him to want to come back and run his old party isn't something we should be suspicious. As Scorpius said, all parties have a party wide vote on who to support so Jacobi being PP makes no difference in who the party supports.
I already touched on this issue and of the strategic implications of this move.
As I said, a side consequence of Jacobi taking CNC, and most likely the Primary reason, is to support WD in an infalliable coalition of CPP/DAL and Jacobian CNC.
That is exactly what is happening, whether or not its okay, is not up to me. Of course, this is bad for the CSD and CPF.
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politics politics..
How many citizens are going to switch parties though just to see him gain leadership though. i could see that occurance easily happening. If the decision is left to the current members then i could see it as fair play. I seriously doubt it would unfold that way though.
Rainer N has a point.
After all, when the CPP was re-created, Jacobi left for his "beloved Party". When the DAL, CSD and eventually the CPF were re-created, the membership of those Parties returned to their former homes.
The CNC was left to rot. It had served it's purpose. It was Rainer that created the CNC forum - which I can tell you right now is the central nervous system of ANY successful Party. It was he who tried to give the Party of exodus a raison d'etre.
If I were to leave the CPF and join the DAL and immediately run for PP - without a single article of fanfare, and nobody from the CPF published articles calling me a traitor, then I would be FORCED to accept - to some degree accusations of a PTO attempt.
Whomever pays for the Party only gets the Presidency of it at the beginning in an ipso facto nature. Once you are defeated in an election - or leave to join another Party, you surrender any 'right' to that Party.
To boot, I don't think that anyone with a straight face can purport that a Jacobi led CNC would be open to backing any other candidate other than William Duncan at this time, or the forseeable future.
Scorpius says above:
"Emilio Sanchez, a well known CEP member, switched to the DAL and ran for PP. I freaked out, thinking it was a TO. Turns out all Emilio wanted was to improve the party and contribute to our community. (It was kind of a semi-TO though because Bruck was feeding him votes but thats not rly relevant atm). I completely regret the way i freaked out towards Emilio during that event (though not how i acted towards Bruck)."
You have just given creedence to the very notion which you are attempting to deny. It is a contradiction, and a poor example of a supportive argument to your assertion.
That is my objective opinion.
And what could be said of Rainer having close tie with CPF member?
Does that make the CNC a puppet of the CPF now? NO...
Everyone need to stop freeking out with this paranoia thing.
Of course the party leader opinion will have an impact on the presidential candidate. if not for Rainer ''maybe'' the CNC would have run his own candidate in the last election instead of endorsing CPF. But that's exactly why people choose a party leader that is leaning left or right. Ask yourself CNC voters where you want to go not where Jacobi or Rainer N would want to go. Pick the candidate that best represent your current need.
good luck Jacobi!
Well, no, its a much bigger picture Chucky. If you talk politics, you almost always talk Premiership.
You DO have to ask where Rainer or Jacobi want to go.
The CPF did not run a candidate for President in the last election.
We endorsed a DAL member who ran under the CNC flag.
Just for clarity.
😉
"What I have to say to you and your ilk would get me reprimanded by the Speaker. I am tired of you and people like you, and the self-aggrandizement that plagues people who I have, thankfully, not let near power in three months."
--Jacobi, Aug 24 2009
Banach, I guess the last part of my argument was wrong, but at least the voters have a choice as to wich candidate will lead them somewhere, I think we should wait for the 2 platform before judging any of the candidate.
@Scorpius: after your last set of election "analysis" I would question the validity of anything you have to say regarding partisan politics.
@Trenton: That's really rich coming from someone like you. Your CSD-only exclusionary tactics are textbook paranoia itself
I believe the article i wrote about chill pills may apply here. however i may have to apologize in a month if Rainer is proven correct. that may cause me to blush.
@ Pimp I would like to again remind you that non-CSD members were included in our poll. Thus destroying your comment.
are these guys who write long negative comments what are referred to as trolls?
The politics of politics
Is not a pretty sight...
If the barking doesn't bother you....
Beware the coming bite!
What was the final vote in the CNC presidential candidate vote, btw? Who was included in the vote? Just curious, though I have a feeling my questions may go unanswered.
You politicians and your crazy conspiracy theories.
Those in power want to stay in power. Doesn't matter who you're talking about or what kind of power they have, they want to keep it. Rainer N wants to keep his status of PP and the powers that come with it, and Jacobi wants to regain some power after losing his Prime Minister ones. Politics are the new war so be prepared to fight tooth and nail to keep what you have.
@Trenton
You miss the point
Your original idea was to exclude non-CSD people from getting nominated for the presidentials
Now tell me I'm wrong
@Coda
why don't you lose our country for us again
eCanada, gutter politics at its very worse.
Nice to see representatives of the wonderfully disgusting party throwing their oar in.
We don't deserve to exist if this is how it going.
@ Trenton:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/csd-presidential-nominee-debate--960332/1/20#comments" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/csd-[..]ents
who destroyed who
PimpDollaz first of all you do not have the right to criticize anyone in the CAF. Theya re heroes, starting with the first ranger and ending with Coda. When you will have done what they did for Canada then you will have the right to voice an opinion against them.
When you will do more then they did come back and talk to us until then do us all a favor, an keep the mud in your hands and don't start trowing it around.
"The CPF did not run a candidate for President in the last election.
We endorsed a DAL member who ran under the CNC flag.
Just for clarity."
Yes where will the CPF go now that the 'support a friendly face' line of attack failed?
Pimpdollaz that comment about the CAF was completely out of line and frankly was disgusting. You owe Coda an apology.
Rainer TO'd the party last month. It's disingenuous to complain about someone wanting to take the party back to its roots.
@Octavian
Doesn't seem like you've skipped an election lately. Guess it's easy to be glib when you aren't burdened by being supported by any actual voters.
I'm going to start a people against political bullshit party.
Well at least the political class isn't just one big cozy club after all -- I find this very encouraging
Jacobi seems to me to be emulating the Devil. This is sinful. He shall be culled.
@Scorpius
really?
I'll quote you then
hope you don't mind
"I dont claim not to have a bias. Doesn't mean what im saying isnt valid."
I even put it in quotations
@Nea
which one of you is talking?
I think you ought to keep your own nose clean, first of all
amirite?
Yo Pimp Dolllaz, Calm down man, your giving the judges one hell of a rep.
Wow coda losing the country... that's pathetic. Why don't you ask your friend bruck how we got in this mess in the first place?
The CAF couldnt have saved Canada even if Alexander the great was leading it atm. This game is mostly about stats, they had better stats than us. End of the line.