Haters Gonna Hate
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by Robbie Lizzini
First off, let me start with some Bar.
Ahh...much better.
Now, it seems that Daniel Ender is starting a one-man crusade to drive out players that immigrate here from eAmerica, because apparently eIsrael is "the land of the jews." I've seen this argument before, and I will say what I said back then.
eRepublik is an online community game, where everyone is free to do as they choose, whether people support it or not. Now, in some cases, people will be jerks (I have a different term, but I'd rather not get forfeit points). We can't forget about the JmatH fiasco. But there are people who come here from other countries to bring their support and their experience to a country that is facing re-development after its last war.
Tell me, is there something wrong with getting outside help? No.
To current events, I can see how Ender wants more support from the RL community. We are all equally important in this country. However, I do not see many of these people active within the game. Therefore, I'd like to urge our cabinet to promote country unity by making things...well, fun. Lets restart the department of fun.
As for where I stand on this current issue, I'm an RL American who STARTED in eIsrael. I did not move here from eAmerica. I could have gone to America and been left as a number, but I want to feel important. Here in eIsrael, I do feel important, even if my role is small. I'm an active member of the community, I give insight without (much) bias, and I'm a fairly laid back person. What gets me is when nonsensical hate is perpetuated on a group that simply wants a change in scenery. Yes, there are people here that simply want political advancement, but you should not let a small group of people create a stereotype for the rest.
We are a small nation.
We need cooperation.
We either stand together.
Or we fall divided.
Choose wisely.
-Robbie Lizzini
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Remember: we either stand together, or fall divided.
Wouldn't have expected that from Daniel :/
I don't understand,this is only a game,in RL I don't live in Israel or America,we are here to forget real world and to enjoy in good game 🙂
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We are what we are and the fact that we are what we are formed the state of Israel regardless of our country of origin. And with eIsrael we can replace the blood tie with an emotional tie. As I have said before, we are eIsraeli's because we are either Jewish or have an emotional attachment to our diminishing, wonderful country. Blood tie or emotional tie is equally as strong in this eCountry.
Voted. WE MUST FIGHT TOGETHER. Remember OPERATION MOSES IN 1984.
I have no real life ties to Israel. I am a real life American. I am not Jewish. I do not know any Jewish people in real life. I started this game in the eUSA and came here after a friend (SVV) asked me too. BUT eIsrael will always be my eHome. I didn't come here for political advancement, but I did advance politically. I came here to help a friend and ended up falling in love with an eCountry. I have had both triumphs and failures. But I continue to love eIsrael and call it my home. I have no fight with real life Jews/Israelis expect for those who believe that eIsrael only belongs to them. My patriotism for eIsrael runs just as deep as theirs, regardless of my real life location or the language I speak. When they say that I have no right to be here I take it as an insult and am hurt because eIsrael is my home, is my life, is my love. People like Ender are not mature enough to realize that this is a game, not real life. Patriotism here is different than patriotism in real life. While I am a real life American I feel no ties to the eUSA outside of the friends I have there. If one cannot grasp that fact then it might be a good idea to stop playing a game and become more involved in real life - as that is where you seem to want to be.
I just saw Bar and voted and all tension disappeared. I will comment again once I read the actual article.
Nice article Robbie. I wish more RL Israelis would be active in the media as well. There are many who are still very active despite not being heard from though. Remember that.
@Hoss v nice comment
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and for more serious comment. for everyone who is saying "this is only a game" lol get the fuck out. every time there is like russian invasion or phx forces close down on eus soil everybody just crap their pants go into patriotic frenzy "keep commies out of us" or some shit like that.
do not patronize on people who take this seriously. i play only and only for the reason to rep israel via the internet. to battle racism and all those people who hate israel for just being israel. i am here to make a difference and make my country strong even in virtual game. if you can't respect that or if you choose to ignore it then my first comment is dedicated to you.
signed off, Perfect.Knight ex president of eisrael.
PK: We all play differently. It IS a game, after all. We are not tied to our countries of origin. We are not tied to patriotism RL. As I said, while I'm neither an Israeli or a Jew, I still like the community here. And its people like you and Ender that are perpetuating nonsensical hate and doing nothing apart from whining and moaning.
You want a strong RL Israel base? Then work for it. I'm actually welcome to the idea. You want to know why?
Because I'm not here for Israel. I'm here for eIsrael. And your words will never, ever, make me leave. I will let my account die here before I let you get to me.
Now, unless you're going to post something constructive, get off my newspaper.
you miss the point robbie. you here for eisrael? good for you. support the people who play here because they feel the need to play and rep eisrael as israel then you will have superb eisrael and stronger then ever eisrael. do not exclude yourself from them with foreign political party with clear affiliation to other political party from another eCountry.
lets just pretend uiip was not uiip. and um some party from hungary or turkey with similar name to some big party there. someone we know ( such as croy ) would open up a party in eisrael with similar logo and similar name. and would start import party members and people from that country or other countries for that matter for the sole purpise to join his party and gain advantage over the local political parties. how would you or any other eisraeli ( notice. im not even reffering to rl israelis, just eisraelis )
and please i beg you. answer honestly.
and ofc im not saying you as a person is responsible for any of that. im just stating my own opinion over this matter.
You need to understand something, PK:
I have always been a supporter of the RL community in eRep. I'm also a big supporter of the eCommunity. At the end of the day, the eCommunity matters more to me. Sorry; that's just how I feel.
I look at the strife in our country due to this issue, and it makes me sad. We shouldn't let things like this affect our day-to-day goings. Fights like this don't make us look any better. They make us look weak.
Now, back to your question. You didn't seem to have a problem with UZSP long ago. I have a feeling you are against this independent group because it is successful. We shouldn't squander success. As for placing people who have freshly moved into the community and getting high positions right off the bat; well, that's up to the player whether or not they run, and its up to the president who they pick in their cabinet. Whether or not I like it holds no bearing. Personally, I think I'd like a shot at something, but if someone is better for the job, I'll give them that chance.
Keep in mind; I'm not here defending UIIP. I'm here defending my position.
you still didn't answer on the last part of my comment.
PK, I asked one former UIP member to come over and help out. It was Illithian, and he opened up a housing company that employs 20 people and has never bothered anyone here.
The rest joined the UIIP because I invited them AFTER they came to eIsrael. Do not blame the UIIP for the fact that Shalom/IF was not interested in recruiting immigrants. You could have easily invited people like Livelie (a Russian jew) or Joey Jackson (who was the first person to ever immigrate to eIsrael after it was created in game) to join your party. But you didn't (or matanb didn't, if people came after the 15th).
and "i play only and only for the reason to rep israel via the internet. to battle racism and all those people who hate israel for just being israel."
Anyone who hates Israel or eIsrael will never be welcome in either this country or the UIIP. I will make sure of that. We are not the enemy PK. Much if not most of the UIIP is Jewish. And no matter if we are or not, we stand shoulder to shoulder with you and all Israelis. I hope you understand that.
i told you back then when u said hey dude im going to get uip into helping me form a party here. i told u this is going to happen didn't i ? personally i spoke with more then few uiipers they are more then ok guys. i know. but seriously why do you wonder that there is hate if in fact the problem was in the core of the party itself. if lets say you wouldve done it differently and called the party the cereal party i think much of the talk ( not all of it though ) would not happen.
i wouldve only had a problem with you not trying to win the votes of rl israelis and saying "ok i don't even need you, look imma go and recruit in other countries and gain the upper hand that way"
...Except...that's not what they're doing at all.
When the IDP and UIIP started, there was an unspoken truce with Shalom/IF about not really recruiting their members. I did this out of respect for Kafka and that party, because him and I had problems over recruiting long ago. I am sorry if this ended up looking like I was not interested in RL Israelis. This was never my intention. And you just said yourself- I invited you (: