Desertfalcon For President: An Honest Look At Our Borders
Desertfalcon
First off since this is the issue everybody seems to care about, war games will continue no matter who gets elected, war games are good for the economy and good training for our citizens so yes I would keep them going.
Now one of the hot topics this time around is our military and how secured our borders are. Most other candidates are just going to tell you that we need Atlantis in order to keep our borders safe and that if we left the world will gang up against us in hope of destroying the U.S.. Quite frankly this argument does not have a leg to stand on, it is true that most of the word harbors negative feelings towards the U.S. and in theory would enjoy watching us get destroyed in a game but that little bit of real life resentment is all that these people can come up with as reasons why the U.S. would be invaded.
First off the threat of an invasion is minimal. It has been over a year since war was introduced into this game and in the 4 direct wars the U.S. has been involved there has never been a real battle on any of our home regions (Minnesota and North Dakota briefly came under fire in the North American war however peace was signed soon after those battles began). Back in that age the U.S. was much weaker as well, we ranked 6th in population and the world had just about teamed up with Canada to beat us with Canadian reinforcements coming from Sweden, Indonesia, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Norway, Romania, and almost every world power except Pakistan. Now with the world on their side how come the Canadians did not push further into the U.S. when they could of very well taken a good chunk of regions? The reason is the U.S. would be incredibly difficult to occupy for various reasons. What I am about to show you are several possible scenarios for an invasion of the U.S..
Most people who believe PEACE is out to get us and that Atlantis would take revenge on us if we left are just living in fear. In actuality if we were to leave Atlantis and start up a third alliance (which is quite popular of an idea in other countries as well) then the whole PEACE Vs. Atlantis feud would help us. Invading the U.S. would require substantial numbers and loads of gold, because of this nations that are already at war like Romania and Spain would pretty much have to just sit and watch as if they tried to attack they open the door for Portugal and Indonesia to strike. Remember when Argentina left Atlantis and Atlantis said they would have their revenge? Well we are still waiting on that. The truth is that countries in the top 10 very rarely get attacked because the odds of winning are so low and it would be incredibly costly. But just for fun lets look at the scenarios of invasions.
A nations strength is calculated by the amount of votes in the presidental election times the average strength, this gives us a good look at the active population. These figures are not 100% accurate since certain events can alter the percent turnout in a presidential election and I have no way of factoring in ranks however they are the best we have. I have calculated the strength of the U.S. to be about 5,784. The maps you see indicate how long it would take for an advancing army to reach a certain region assuming the occupying region wins every region. If a region is red that means it could be invaded on the first day of war, yellow means it could be invaded on the second, green means on the third, and so on and so on. They don't really mean much but they were fun for me to make and everybody likes pics so enjoy.
1. World Invasion
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2452/allout.png
To be honest we would be quite screwed here, in the unlikely event that the world would set aside their differences for a few days to wipe the U.S. off the map we would be screwed. However America has not pissed off everyone in the world and the odds of this happening are so low its barely worth mentioning, but just for fun here are the stats.
Strength of neighboring countries
Spain- 3,201
U.K.- 2,020
France- 1,624
Canada- 1,512
Portugal- 1,456
Japan- 484
Ireland- 383
Mexico- 245
Russia- 226
Total- 11,151
2. Atlantis Invasion
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5065/atlantisinvasion.png
If Atlantis were to retaliate for us leaving the alliance they would slightly outnumber us however they would be geographically challenged for advancing further as their two strongest nations are on our east coast and it would take them 8 days to work their way across the continent (assuming they win every battle and the U.S. does nothing to stall them). They could move south from Canada to attack the west coast and end the war within four days at the earliest however in order to that Canada would have to take the entire western half of the country. On the map you can see the dividing line which I made bold, Canada would have to take all those regions to the west of that bold line.
Sweden and some other smaller nations within Atlantis may send troops as well however Romania would be bogged down with the situation in Russia and would not be able to spend a good amount of gold on this war.
Spain- 3,201
U.K.- 2,020
Canada- 1,512
Total- 6,733
3. PEACE invasion (excluding MPPS activated in Mexico)
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6884/peaceinvasion.png
Just looking at our neighbors in PEACE we would be safe, however the fact that we have activated MPPS with countries such as Indo, Brazil, and Hungary makes things much different. People say that New Jersey was the best place to put the new Q5 hospital since it would increase the population numbers and wall there and that it was a strategic position but really New Jersey is no more valuable then any of the other east coast states. New Jersey borders France, a country we have not had a battle with in almost three months. If were truley at war with PEACE then why not put it in a region more likely to be attacked? New Mexico would build up the wall in the weakest of states bordering Mexico while Georgia would of built up the wall in the second region which bordered Portugal (problem with Georgia is we could lose it and the hospital in Florida on the same day). I have no idea why congress chose New Jersey.
France- 1,624
Portugal- 1,456
Japan- 484
Mexico- 245
Total- 3,809
PEACE with MPPs activated
Hungary- 4,972
Indonesia- 3,875
Brazil- 1,942
Iran- 1,583
Italy- 1,522
Total- 17,703+ the rest of the MPPs.
What do these numbers mean
In short that we outnumber our PEACE neighbors and could hold our own against Atlantis should a third alliance be created and Atlantis wish to intervene, however its the MPPs that we have activated that cause the most danger to our borders. We need someone who will close off the unnecessary wars in Portugal and France as all they do is invite nations to attack us and restrict us from trading with half the world. We should leave the war in Mexico open for war games but the fact is the war in France is long over and the odds of us winning in Portugal or France are very slim.
The chances of us ever being invaded though are very slim, with 51 regions and over 10,000 people it would cost close to 10,000 gold just to start up a battle in every American region and then they would still have to win every battle. Even if we were invaded we could easily beat them back with our MPPs and hold them with resistance wars. We could still have MPPS with Atlantis countries even if we left the alliance and if we were to end the wars and build relations with PEACE then we would be in a much better spot then we are in now with three active wars and half of our neighbors angry with us.
What I would do if I was elected
We need to keep one war open so we can have war games however we need to look over the other two and consider closing them as they don't benefit us any way and we don't have any plans on invading. I am certain that I would be able to get a peace treaty worked out between Portugal and France as I believe the people of both countries would welcome a peace treaty, the only reason Portuguese congress declined the last one was because it was obvious that we just did not want them to retake the regions we had in Mexico (which they ended up doing).
The best way to secure our borders is to be a good neighbor. We don't have to be in a countries alliance to have good relations with them or even to sign MPPs with them. Bottom line we need to end the defunct wars and keep the diplomatic war games going.
~Desertfalcon/Emerick~
~April 2009~
Comments
I would go into more detail but I want to prevent this from becoming a wall of text, I will get another two articles out before election deal which will have more information about our military and other stuff.
tl;dr
its most likely not worth the time anyway.
want to give me the cliffnotes version?
What countries would be willing to join us in a third alliance?
I have gotten PMs from several congressmen in other countries discussing the possibility, I won't release their names right now as the conversations were meant to be private and I don't have the authority as of now to advance them to anything serious but I think we could get a few countries in both PEACE in Atlantis to move over.
Alot of people in other countries are sick of the whole two alliance system and want to get out of it however due to their size they really need to really on their alliance for protection and if they leave they will just be invaded. If a country like the U.S. left it would have a ripple effect as people who are not too thrilled about having to be in PEACE or Atlantis would see this as an opportunity to escape and have protection.
Fair enough, I won't ask names.
One thing about the third alliance is that if it was the eUSA and a bunch of the weaker (and therefore more likely to feel oppressed/trapped) nations, the eUSA would be forced to defend the others, rather than having all nations working together.
Now, we could end up having several power houses working together, which would make my previous point moot. But it is something to consider.
Also, you might want to talk to Will Tikius. He has a proposal for a third alliance, and although it is not one with the eUSA in it, he might be good to talk to about logistics.
Voted! great article DF i support everything
you have my vote
If only these numbers were correct.... *sigh* oh well, I cannot persuade you differently.
a potential president that measures opponent's stregth like that is just... weak.
Do you actually think that America would be taken over? Does fear sustain you, or are you just trying to keep together an Alliance that you think you had a hand in creating?
We have 2 options I believe. One of them being what DF is proposing the other is reform of ATLANTIS. ATLANTIS needs to stand for more then opposition to Peace; however, it seems DF is the only one discussing this issue while the other candidates are silent.
It's great that there are Congresspersons in other countries that are interested in a different alliance structure. But 1) we don't know their names 2) we don't know their influence within their own countries to break them out of PEACE or non-aligned status. We also don't know how many ATLANTIS members would want to join us in this new alliance, or how many would to kill us for abandoning them.
DF, you may know the answers to all these questions. But I am just an average citizen, and to me the answers to these questions seem very inside baseball.
Maybe the brave new world you propose is practical and would work, but I think you are asking voters for a whole lot of trust with very little assurance of how this would work out.
DF, are you a /b/tard? I like your style, shake up the game with a third alliance, awesome.
DF and Nathan Woods are the only candidates I've seen who are willing to think outside the box on any issue whatsoever. Vote DF to the presidency in April!
@ Sebmah and Justin
Hey, its a step up from just spewing crap out of mid air.
@ Jon
Atlantis won't do shit if we leave, Romania and Sweden would probably talk shit however none of them share a border with us and they won't be able to do much. Atlantis did not do anything to Argentina, you expect them to retaliate against a much larger country.
Me giving out the names would do more harm then good. It breaks any trust I have with foreign diplomats (which is hard to get in the first place) as it shows that I will disclose anything to win an election and if Atlantis knew which countries want out along with us then they would do their best to stop those countries. New alliances have to go under the radar for awhile, I remember back when Atlantis was formed and few knew of the alliance before the day the alliance was officially created.
I will release another foreign policy article later for this very topic.
DF-- I'm not asking you to break a confidence or turn over valuable intellegence to the enemy.
But with Portugal and France, both with a lot of MPP's on our borders, I'm just concerned where this leaves us if we leave ATLANTIS.
Maybe I'd be less concerned if I had your knowledge, but I don't.
Your little maps of territorial vulnerability are wrong btw, both your q5 hospitals are in border areas and are the most likely to fall first no matter who atacks if no one is supporting you in defence. And since high-level hospitals are the backbone of every military op the rest of the regions would fall more easily. A realistic estimate if you consider that PEACE countries would atack with a large number of MPP's active is that by itself America would be overrun in it's 2 strategic points in one single day, the other regions containing q4 hospitals are adjacent and will collapse in the following 24 hours, from there on the results would be obvious.
Mistwalker doing his best to feed the "eUSA-can't-survive-without-ATLANTIS" paranoia ...
Who's posting cheap propaganda now?!
People, take a look around - right now the action is in Central/Eastern Europe and Asia. Nobody will set aside the feud with their neighbor and the opposing alliance to come to the other side of the world and attack eUSA without hope of getting much and with the certainty of wasting mountains of gold and probably getting his homeland invaded while he's attacking such a tough opponent.
The single threat to eUSA national security today is the war with eMexico+MPPs stupidly triggered by Uncle Sam. The road to removing that threat is improving relations with PEACE - simple as this!
Geez I will vote you Desert Falcon. I mean, you are the greatest strategist I ever seen in this game.
Those maps are awesome. You can win lots of wars with them.
On the other hand, you have almost a year in this game and only colonel. I'm 100% you know a lot about wars. 🙂
Also put yourself in the shoes of your ATLANTIS allies. If you were weak and left they would certainly be willing to make example of you, but with eUSA that is impossible, especially now that you have war-games and your military and economy are growing stronger by the day.
Logic dictates that one tries to make strong friends, not strong enemies. So they will choose to retain you as a friend, and even maintain their MPPs with you, rather than turn you into their enemy and profit nothing.
Lookey-lookey, Han Solo, the president during whose term ePakistan all but disappeared from the map 🙂
I'm sure pressing that "retreat" button when you get the word from the Bucaresti HQ requires extensive and thorough military knowledge 🙂
By the way one of ATLANTIS's worst nightmares - PEACE strategist and diplomat Bimba - was Lieutenant until 30-40 days ago, but took a month-long break from her political and diplomatic activity and today she's a General. What does that tell you about ranking - all it requires is gold! If you have the gold it happens very fast.
You could be the strongest soldier, but if you have to stay home to perform presidential, congressional, business and political duties you might remain at a long rank for a pretty long time. But that proves nothing regarding your military competence.
Another proof is that many tanks are just strong soldier who obey orders. Many of them don't care where, why and when they will fight - they receive the gold and go to pound on the "fight" button. Does that make them military experts?
Hmm, is it just me or Grakulan, official bulgarian ambassador of peace propaganda in the us, is working overtime just to convince the us citizens to leave atlantis?
those efforts alone, and the fact that peace leaders are making unofficial statemens about how quickly they will join the us in a 3rd allience venture should rise suspicions.
actually what would result from the us leaving atlantis: a weaker us and a weaker atlantis. and who would benefit the most? a stronger peace
So what youre saying is.. that we have borders?
@Sebastian: borders are easy to get. but that is beside the point. The us citizens are free to chose their destiny and allience. but the fact that peace puts so much efforts into backing up DF stance on leaving atlantis should raise an alarm ...
Ghishae, I've explained my motives for wanting the eUSA to start making its own decisions elsewhere. If you care to read them - find them in the comments under Justinous MacWalburgson, IJLIV, Natahn Woods, Jamarcus, Scrabman, JoeDasmoe and Uncle Sam's articles.
If you only wanted to say that people sympathetic to PEACE speak nothing but lies and do nothing else but try to lure their oponents into making mistakes you don't really need any justification to say it, so please don't use my posts as a pretext.
Grakulan, the reason i posted the comment mainly because i've noticed your work the last few days. the fact that you have good command of english, above average eloquence and good argumentation skills does not mean that you don't try to use a technique as old as the RL world itself: "Divide et impera"
and as you in all good will intend to, (and are allowed to) present your arguments to help the US citizens make an "informed decision", i guess i am allowed to do the same.
Well then, start presenting arguments, don't just flatter me to get me to agree with you.
So far you're SPECULATING (not the same as providing reasons and evidence) that if I like something then PEACE likes it and therefore it's bad for eUSA and ATLANTIS. I have 2 problems with this statement:
1. I am not PEACE, don't work for PEACE,and don't represent PEACE. I am only sympathetic to PEACE and act in accordance with its agenda when I feel it coincides with my eCountry's best interests or my own best interests;
2. eUSA is not ATLANTIS, and what is good or bad for either one is not necessarily good or bad for the other entity.
@ Ghishae
The U.S. will benefit strength wise as they won't be obliged to send their military to aid romania in their offensive wars. A third alliance would draw in members from PEACE as well as Atlantis so saying PEACE would be the only one to benefit is a bit absurd. What a third alliance would do is put a check on the power of Atlantis and PEACE.
i am merely as speculative as you are and submitting to the us audience a different point of view.
the fact is that borders can change in matters of hours. the fact is that there are no official positions from atlantis countries towards DF stance. the fact is that us outside atlantis makes a weaker atlantis and a weaker us. the fact is that peace has the most to gain from this departure. the fact is that you did comment a lot on the matter with arguments only in favour of the separation. the fact is that you are an active supporter of peace, as an active member of a peace member country, and even if you have no official position or mission, your best interest would be that us leaves atlantis to weaken the alliance, no mater the consequences that will follow for the us.
@DesertFalcon: atlantis membership does not imply sending troops for offensive wars. what i was trying to point out is: you are the only officially supporting a third alliance ( from your position of official candidate ). i have not seen any similar official position in other countries, don't you think there is a risk that the private ( non binding ) promises from peace member states officials could be just a lure?
i asked myself: why would a relevant peace member part that alliance when they just got stronger and closer to their aim of destroying atlantis? .. i cant figure it out
@DF: Actually, they opened up 6 battles in the CanAm war, not just two. The only reason we didnt lose our ass was because Nave signed that Treaty, otherwise most of the Northern US would have reverted to Canada.
Otherwise, nice article.
great
go Desertfalcon
I am not trying to feed the paranoia of anyone, I am simply pointing out that the point of view regarding borders (specifically maps) is flawed. No one will atack regions at random in a big country except to create diversions, it's strategic wise to go for the hospital areas first if they are in reach and then hit de regions with high resources.
Good counter-argument to the counter-arguments lol
voted.
eMexico has no interest in attacking eUSA. But can we trust you? I say no.
Ghishae and Mistwalker, thank you for for addressing the issues. You do have your points.
@ Dish
The deal was that if the U.S. lost in Manitoba that North Dakota and Minnesota would come under Canadian attack. I could look up the erep insider it was in however it doesn't really matter.
I won't be able to vote for you but I wish I could. Since joining a few days ago I've been completely baffled why we are tied up in an alliance dominated by an imperialistic power from central europe. I believe it would make more sense for us to have strong relations with Brazil and Argentina in hopes of signing some sort of Western Hemisphere alliance. Long term I would like to see Portugal expelled from Mexico and Mexican sovereignty restored but I understand given the current situation that that most likely is not prudent.
Peace, Sovereignty, and Cooperative Trade for all nations, that's my motto.
This is just LOL.
we are not that strong, sorry. If we were alone, or had some weak simple third party alliance without Romania, with Indonesia at our doorsteps they could take us over.
Jus tlookt at indonesia vs. Romania, Indo with some help from allies pushed them back, and believe it or not, we aren't as strong as Romania at all. If Romania has to struggle to keep someone back with the help of allies, trust me, we stand no chance.
@ Aren
Romania had no MPPs activated when they fought Indo, if Indo invaded all the countries in our buffer zone and then tried to invade Hawaii they would activate our MPPS.
I would like to request cliff notes on this article.
simple logic
neither Peace Or Atlantis will attack the 3rd alliance, since one of the alliance will helping the 3rd alliance 😛
I think it was pretty informative and the maps helped.
Personally I think eUSA is far more vulnerable than Emericans think it is. Just vote in a few more stupid presidents...