Central Greece, the "Promise Land"
montaigne
Dear Serbian Citizens,
As of yesterday I have seen many of you either wishing or demanding war with Greece for the sake of capturing Central Greece. However I have not seen a recent calculation on the cost impact related to it, so I made a calculation of my own and I wish to share it with you and you draw your conclusion:
There are 2 ways to get the Central Greece. It is s "shorter" and a "cheaper" way to do it.
1. THE SHORT ONE.
a. Declare war to our Bulgarian friends (it is a technical must, needs diplomatic efforts with Bulgaria). It costs 845 Gold.
b. Attact and occupy Sofia Region (Bulgarian president pushes the retreat button). Serbia must pay for a destroyed Q5 Hospital and a Q3 DS. Costs about 550 Gold, but 100 Golds could be recovered by selling the battle hero medals, so 450 Gold.
c. Forging a war with Greece by attacking Slavonia (Croatia) and make immediate Presidential Retreat. This way Croatia’s MPPs will be activated. Cost 250 Gold, minus 100 Gold for battle hero medals = 150 Gold. Take care, you need to have a common border with Greece when you attack Croatia! Declaring a war to Greece would cost 700 Golds more.
d. Attack Macedonia. Cost 160 Gold, not to mention cost of tanking and weapons.
e. RW in Epirus or Thessaly, otherwise you have to get in war with Turkey. You may expect Greeks to fight on the Turkis side! Nevertheless Cost of RW not to mention tanking and weapons = 60 Gold.
f. Attack Epirus or Thessaly 60 Gold
g. Attack Central Greece: Cost 150 Gold without tanking and weapons.
h. RW Sofia region, You cannot sell battle hero medals.
ALTOGETHER COSTS TO BE PAID TO ADMINS:
845+450+150+160+60+60+150+80 = 1955 Gold without tanking and without having a need to attack 2-3 times the same region, assuming, that everything goes perfect.
THE CHEAPER WAY
a. Declare war to our Bulgarian friends (it is a technical must, needs diplomatic efforts with Bulgaria). It costs 845 Gold.
b. Attack Vidin, Ruse and Plovdiv. Costs 160 Gold. Pay for 2 x Q3 DS to Bulgarians (200 Gold?), altogether 360 Gold. 6 battle hero medals sold = 300 Gold revenue, total cost of 60 Gold
c. Forging a war with Greece by attacking Slavonia (Croatia) and make immediate Presidential Retreat. This way Croatia’s MPPs will be activated. Cost 250 Gold, minus 100 Gold for battle hero medals = 150 Gold. Take care, you need to have a common border with Greece when you attack Croatia!
d. Attack Thrace 150 Gold plus tanking and weapons
e. Attack Macedonia 160 Gold, not to mention tanking and weapons
f. RW in Epirus or Thessaly, otherwise you have to get in war with Turks. You may expect Greeks to fight on the Turkis side! Nevertheless Cost of RW not to mention tanking and weapons = 60 Gold.
g. Attack Epirus or Thessaly 60 Gold
h. Attack Central Greece: Cost 150 Gold without other costs.
i. RW in Vidin, Ruse and Plovid. Costs 160 Gold to give it back to Bulgarians. Battle hero medal cannot be sold, since you cannot retreat from RW, therefore you cannot grant the outcome of the battle.
ALTOGETHER COST TO BE PAID TO ADMINS:
845-60+150+150+160+60+60+150+160 = 1795 Gold
Both alternatives looks to me huge amount of money.
Costs of winning the battles are also to be considered, since serious resistance may be expected.
Possible problems:
1. Bulgaria will bot be partner in this game
2. Turkey will be upset
3. Greece may oppose a very hard resistance
4. Peace may have other plans
5. Croatia and Romania may do blocking attacks!
6. When attacking Bulgaria, Serbia will loose the Indonesian MPP, so Croatia or Romania may immediatelly counterattack. Possible solution: Ask Peace support, MPP with Hungary would be enough.
I know, that these issues looks like uncovering military secrets, but actually they are all well-known tricks and tactical steps. I am sure, this article does not have anything, which is unknown to an Eden / Fortis military tactician.
good luck
montaigne
POST-RELEASE COST CALCULATION
(taking into consideration all saving opportunities)
a. Bulgaria declares war to Serbia = 245 Gold.
b. Attack Vidin, Ruse and Plovdiv. Costs 160 Gold. Pay for 2 x Q3 DS to Bulgarians (200 Gold?), altogether 360 Gold. 6 battle hero medals sold = 300 Gold revenue, total cost of 60 Gold
c. Forging a war with Greece by attacking Slavonia (Croatia) and make immediate Presidential Retreat. Cost 250 Gold, minus 100 Gold for 2 battle hero medals = 150 Gold.
d. Attack Thrace 150 Gold
e. Attack Macedonia 160 Gold
f. Attack Central Greece: Cost 150 Gold
g. Bulgaria attacks Vidin, Ruse and Plovdiv. Costs 160 Gold. Serbian President retreats from battlefiled. 6 Battle hero medals could be sold = 300 Gold. Net revenue of 140 Gold.
ALTOGETHER ADMINSTRATIVE COST:
245+60+150+150+160+150-140 = 775 Gold (without tanking and weapons)
Comments
Expensive and dangerous in any way!
toooo expensive
Yap, I made some calculations myself, that's all about 2k gold without tanking. Mission impossible without our allies' support.
This is what worries me: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-torokorszag-turkey-egy-immoralis-moralis-tartozas-an-immoral-moral-obligation-890426/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-tor[..]1/20
Hungarians are obviously going to help Turks in conquering CG, so... As it seems now, we have no support for such plan in our alliance.
OMG
You are wrong about one thing, Macedonia borders with Central Greece, so there is no need for RW in Epirus or Thesaly :
http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Macedonia" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/region/Maced[..]onia
Very good article...
we have no support in any of our plans...
Good article! Vote! Already sub-ed... 🙂
Lepo rečeno i objašnjeno, samo da još to i shvate.
docco:
You are right, and I was wrong. I got myself mislead by eGobba map. This is 120 Gold saving. And I found another saving: you can sell 3 Resistance Hero medals in the CHEAP scenario for 150 Golds, which is saving of 270 Golds in total. So the bottomline is 1525 Gold.
I do not want to instigate Serbian people on war, neither to ask you to give up. This is just a calculation and politicians must decide if it worth investing in it.
As about diplomatic support from Peace:
If you never ask for something, you never get anything.
Even if you ask for it, you may not get anything.
So, what can U loose if you make your voice heard?
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A zasto ne pises na srpskom????
Dokle god nemamo vladu koja je za prosirenje nase teritorije, ovo ce da budu pusti snovi!
Mi kao narod, da bi privukli paznju PEACE-a, mozemo samo da bojkotujemo borbe u Americi i Spaniji, i da se borimo u trening ratu!
So, we got nothing from this war... I am spending my money for what?
Pleasure? 🙁
Heh, and how much did you excpect for a high region, how much did Hungary pay for high diamonds? 2000 is cheap btw. And I'm astking you montaigne, who did deserve Central Greece?
Serbia who made up 3,5k (just form Serbia, not to mention the Serb guys in Indonesia and Hungary) dmg and wich has 2400 active citizens
or
Turkey who made up 1,2k dmg and wich has less than 800 active citizens???
And what we get for our 1,5-2 K gold???
nothing personal... 😉
@ Ser Nikola
Zato sto je montagne rl Madjar...
''As about diplomatic support from Peace:
If you never ask for something, you never get anything.
Even if you ask for it, you may not get anything.''
I think that we never ask for anything! And we never will...
I aggree with Zeljko!
We can try, but who will be guilty if eSerbia activate all eCro MMPs, if eSerbia pay 2.000 golds (that is the sum of all gold that we have), if eSerbia make new enemy, Turkey, and if we don't conquer Central Greece because of all MMPs they have? We will also have to pay eBuglaria for hospitals and def systems.
I don't care, I am not in government, I am bored and I can also shout: "We want Central Greece", but the problem is that I can see what is our future, future od eSerbia if we fail in this mision....
mante se grka zasad, prvo da okupiramo hrvate, i bosance.
Chopp trazili smo regije nazad ... ali ne preko novina ...
Slazem se greda23.
Recalculation of costs:
I got advices on PM how to further cut costs:
If Bugaria declares war on Serbia, that is only 245 Gold, so it is a saving of 600 Gold. If Bulgaria does not attck in 24 hours, after the declaration of war, than Serbia can take over the initiative.
So, the final number is ONLY 925 Gold, which is almost at hands.
If only that 925 Gold would matter, I would personally cover 25% of that costs.
oddyZR: costs of replacing the destroyed Bulgarian Q3 DS x 2 are calculated in the 925 Gold.
The real issues are as oddyZR mentione😛
-Activating Croatian MPP-s
-Lack of support from Peace due to the fact that Peace is supporting Turkey on the first place.
-For PEACE to achieve same target on the behalf of Turkey is cheaper, easier.
-The major battles would take each of them a lot of Gold in tanking and weapons.
@Zeljko Cirovic: Man, I am in-game Serbian (IRL Hungarian) citizen. It is not me, whom you have to convince...
@montaigne: How much would it cost if Bulgaria declared war on us?
I think it's somewhere around 230-240 gold... (pocket change compared to 845 gold if we declared war).
And that's already 600 gold saved...
We could make a deal with the Bulgarians to pay the entire sum + something extra.
Anything can be achieved through communication. 🙂
Jos kad bi neko iznio finansijske detalje vezane za oslobodjenje nasih teritorija, barem da narod zna pribliznu cifru koja je placena (znamo i ko je platio) prilikom oslobadjanja, pa da vise ne trabunja okolo kako nikad nista nismo dobili od PEACE-a i kako se borimo za dz.
Oops, beat me to it. 😁
@GreenCO mislis na oslobođenje nasis prvobitnih regija?
da slazem se, ali nisu nas saveznici oslobodili zato sto nas vole vec zato sto su u nama videli potencijalnog jakog saveznika. sto su i dobili, pomazemo im u njihovom osvajanju Amerike. ali mislim da smo zasluzili barem jednu high regiju.
p.s. ja ne znam sta ovi nasi rade po tom pitanju, ali bi mogli da napisu neki clanak i da kazu: DA, imamo to u planu. ja to jos nigde nisam video.
Clueless: I was faster, trallala 😃
montaigne's org
Nama je rat hitno potreban. Džaba svi babyboomovi, ako nastavimo ovako da stagniramo, ovim tempom za koji mesec vraticemo se na nivo pre eHrvatske okupacije.
U ovom trenutku mislim da je rat manjih razmera spas za našu ekonomiju. Da ne govorimo o tome da su se mnoge manje i daleko slabije enacije usudile da direktno učestvuju u svetskom ratu i preko noći su nas sustigle.
Ako imamo kompleks niže vrednosti u RL, ne moramo i ovde, to bar brojke pokazuju.
It would be nice if someone could show us financial details of the action of liberation of our territory, at least if people could know approximate value that is paid (and we know who paid it) during the release, so they couldn't keep talking "we didn't get anything from PEACE" and "we are fighting for nothing".
puste želje...
Vojko Mrdic: I am talkig to the Hun MoD at that time and ask for an approximative calculation
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@Hitman_cro
A sta se to tebe tice. Idi ti vidi sta ce se vama F/E dati za ucesce u americkom ratu.
LOL
Даће им Кип Слободе. 🙂
Without being ready to spend 2k gold we shouldn't even think about starting this mission; OK, it's possible that total cost will be less than 1k, but nothing ever goes according to plan.
Also have in mind that Asturias will fall very soon, and that CG will be the last bastion of Atlantis power; they will not give it up without terrific defensive effort, which even further raises costs of attack.
I also agree that Serbia deserves CG more than Turkey, (have in mind that majority of our citizens is about level 15,16, and they will strengthen in the next two months which will make Serbia even more powerful as military force), but we are obviously not recognized as an respectable ally.
Whatever, our voices doesn't count, it's up to those who lead PEACE CG to decide, we can only comment and hope that they will make a fair decision.
zar ne bi mogli da zamolimo madjare da nam poklone dalmaciju kad razore hrvatsaku?
vidim neko pishe da treba da dobijemo "barem jednu high iron regiju"... Ljudi, u chitavom eRepu postoji 10 (deset) high iron regija... Pa chitava Amerika nema nijednu! Plus shto za pola njih treba da predjemo pola mape... Nije to neshto shto cje nam tako lako pasti u ruke i shto se mozhe za par dana dobiti... Treba biti strpljiv , jachati i praviti planove...
Ma sta ce nam dajmacija, nemamo koristi od nje.
@ Vojvoda Chedo, neka nam daju high XXX regiju, samo da je high posto mi jadni imamo samo zitarice... 🙂
http://www.egobba.de/" target="_blank">http://www.egobba.de/
Profiltriraj mapu malo po resursima i videcjesh da nichega nema na pushkomet od nas... Centralna Grchka nam je najblizha od svega a pogledaj kolko cje da koshta to. Shto opet ne znachi da treba da odustanemo, vecj da treba napraviti ozbiljan plan...
A bilo je nekih pricha da cje admini uskoro uraditi relokaciju resursa, pa mozhda i mi dobijemo neshto, ili barem neko od slabijih suseda 🙂
@Vojvoda Chedo
Da, ali je sada pravi trenutak. Sada imamo kakvu takvu sansu.
Nema veze sa temom, ali jel' primetio neko nesto zanimljivo u Francuskoj danas? xD
@Vojvoda Chedo sve kosta 😃
znaci ostacemo samo prosecna eNacija i dalje... nama Srbima da daju nesto? nema sanse 🙂
@ Rakoc mislis na to da nema nista zanimljivo? 😃
ma dalmacija uvek zna da zatreba
@Chopp
Ne, mislim na 2900 novih igraca, a kako stvari stoje bice mozda bude i 4000 do kraja dana.
Bgl. U jee. Ovi nisu cisti. Gde najdose ovolike ljude?
Secate te se onog clanka koji smo (bar neki od nas) otvarali i glasali, negde na nekom njihovom sajtu. (opis je bio nadjes plavo polje sa nekim cudnim slovima po sred ekrana i kliknes).
E pa, time smo izglasali da na naslovnoj strani nekih od najcitanijih rl Francuskih novina izadje clanak o eRep-u xD
hohoho... 3004! xD lepo!
ili to mozda Ameri imaju novu taktiku i baby boom pa svoje nove igrace naseljavaju u Francusku.... xD hehehe...
Mogao si to lepo na srpskom...
Slazem se