Against the stream: I support the new version
MoonlightShadow
I see so many comments like “admin, we don't like V2, don't you read us?”. I see so many comments "I`m leaving eRepublik", posted day after day, by the same people which don't seem to actually leave. There is a riot going on out there and I have a strong deja-vu feeling. And I will be against the stream because I'll actually support the new version.
Let's start with the beginning, shall we? Well, in the beginning there was beta. Not the current beta, a far more mythological and almost religious one. The beta that gave birth to the New World, almost three years ago. So many things happened meanwhile, so many friendships filled this virtual world and, above all, so many real-life friendships were born while having a drink in a bar together with other players, sometimes even from other countries! If there is one thing that really makes eRepublik special, then it's the fact that many citizens have come to know each others in real life, because of this game. The first beta was kinda different and I remember that we were talking about a couple of thousands of players in total. Of course it is much easier to make happy 5000 or 10k people compared to 300,000. The larger a group is the bigger the differences in their opinions and the harder to make everybody “accept” or "enjoy" something.
But beta was far from being loved. The downtimes used to occur very frequent and sometimes would have taken several days before eRepublik would have returned back on-line. There were so many problems and the site was moving so slow almost all the time, that having today eRepublik the way it is, with 20 times more population able to surf the New World in pretty good conditions (ok, 99 % of the time, as much as it would hurt the other 1 %, especially in the big battles final hour) seems almost a miracle. Remember SGP, when just 250 online citizens brough the servers down 🙂
But you know what? The beginnings are always the sweetest part, aren't them? A romantic feeling developed inside the hearts of the first beta population, today's “dinosaurs” as we call them. As broken as it was, beta was their little virtual world, their small family. And when V1 arrived the beta population started immediately to scream “we don't like V1, give us our beta back”. They were hating the new layout (I was one of them), they were hating the trivia system (God, I was hating trivia so much) they were hating everything about V1. And they were missing person vs person fights which were replaced with the wall, they were missing company tools which were completely removed, they were missing "friends updates"...actually it was not about “missing” as it was about resistance to change. People tend to don't like changes. It's far more easier to live in a town you know, even if you don't like it, than moving in a new town and start all over again. Yes, of course you may do it in the end, but now without an internal fight between the familiar and the unknown which lies ahead.
Everybody was hating V1 and for a while they did not even say why. After the shock wave passed, finally some constructive feedback started to pop-up : “actually, V1 indeed brings several improvements, but we would like..”. And there it was, the magical words, what we, the citizens would like. Had they keep posting just “v1 sucks” maybe eRepublik would have been today the way it was back then. But slowly, eRepublik team started to gather the feedback and a series of improvements were added according to citizen's requests. A dynamical world map. Implemented the citizenship, which was a major request. Brought back company's tools. Modified the war module several times; for example, they changed the retreat rule. And of course, they have done many other things, starting with graphical improvements and ending with a new forum platform, facebook connect and anti-cheating project. Yes, each of these were "small" things, but add them together and you obtain the V1 which some are regretting now. But last autumn it was clear that no matter how much the V1 would be "patched", it won't be enough. The majority of players wanted something new, a completely different experience. They wanted a more complicated and realistic economic module and they wanted back the mythological person vs person war module. This is what you could read everywhere: “economy is crumbling, we face overproduction, do something” and “wall-system sucks, bring back PvP”. What have the team started to do? It started to work for new economic and military modules.
And back in the present day, we have live the new modules. Modules which bring economic diversity and complexity as well as visual battlefields where citizens will fight one versus one. So, our wishes came true, they did what we asked them to do. I for sure like at least the economic module, a lot, because it is far more complex. As for the military, it has a lot of potential, but also requires more "adjustments" compared to economic module, adjustments which I`m confident will be done. I like the new professions, the new products with their components and even the fact that different "qualities" of the same product has different images. This proves attention to details, something which eRepublik used to lack completely. Put it simple, I was bored to death by the "simple" eRepublik.
But once again the history repeats itself and there is a riot just as it was when V1 was launched. The ones who hated V1 ask today to keep it, because it is “wonderful”. Now, that's wonderful, isn't it? 🙂
The ones who used to say that V1 turned into being incredibly boring because “you have nothing to do, just 2 clicks and you are done” are scared about having more things to do, a more opened New World. And what is history teaching us? Is teaching us that sooner or later everybody will love the new version of eRepublik, regardless if that moment will arrive just days before the launch of a new version 🙂
And most likely, when a new version will knock at the doors, call it V3, many will scream "no, no, don't do it, please, leave us V2 on a separate server, we love it". Yes, the current version is far from being perfect, or rather "good enough". So it was the first beta. So it was V1. Balancing the formulas, modifying some things which are now completely "wrong", these are just so easy to do. I really wouldn't be worried about that. It's just that you should start expressing your feedback and tell what you like and what you don't like sooner. And move away from the crowd which "hate" but don't even know exactly what they hate and it's impossible to be fixed. Thanks for reading.
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I support the new version!
Mda.. e fain.
Pina si faptul ca e asa de goldsucker e brici. De fapt, chiar ma mir ca cititul presei e gratis ...inca.
Da YoZ...inca.
Urmeaza 0.5 gold / click
2 gold - 10 euro
3 gold - 15 euro
5 gold - 50 euro
10 jucatori ramasi in joc
ce pot spune este doar
Hello World 🙂
Salariul minim ar trebui sa fie subunitar, ceva de genul 0.1 pe ora 🙂 Sistemul actual nu permite sa fie mai mic de 1. Momentan cei cu skill 1 au salariul de 12 ron daca muncesc 12 ore si nu e normal.
Si nu e corect ca au inversat bonusurile de teren intre tank si elicopter...
in RL ca sa scoti un ziar, platesti. eu zic ca urmatorul upgrade e ziarul platit! iti faci ziar (scoti articole), platesti gold. cumperi ziar, platesti gold!
Vote hard !
E cam bataie de joc ce se intampla cu firmele pe land. N-a trecut decat o zi si deja sunt stocuri imense de materii prime pe piata... in multe cazuri pretul ajungand aproape de minim (0.01).
In al doilea rand... pana acum la modulul militar progresul era zilnic... de fiecare data cand dadeai train simteai ca ai devenit un picut mai tare. Acuma dupa ce ajungi la Field Marshal si skill de arma 11... stai juma de an sa te antrenezi, timp in care ramai constant la aceeasi "putere". E cam nasol gandita treaba...
Astea-ar fi doar doua din plangeri.. mai am si altele insa in general tin de bugs. Oricum, imi place V2... insa trebuie neaparat facute niste ajustari.
Exactly,me too!
I support the new version!
I support the new version!
Ostin
People are always against things which are new,
but this is just for some time after which people become accustomed to the new things.
So same with erepublik after a while people will love to accept V2.
V2 is awesome, and we all know that. Vote.
I support new version!
Nu pot sa spun ca urasc v2. Ma urasc doar pe mine pentru ca am facut greseala sa arunc vreo 200 gold pe antrenamentul cu Lana. Pentru mine acum modulul de razboi nu mai exista, de ieri ma antrenez doar cate 2 ore (ca sa iau aia 2 xp). A fost ambitia mea sa am printre cele mai mari strength-uri din Romania, si am reusit, pana in momentul in care a fost introdus un sistem in care este imposibil sa lupti fara sa cheltuiesti gold. Si acum imi pare rau 🙂
how much did the admin pay you for this, lol
And what about min wages?
Automatically everyone earns 8 times less BUT for a new job you have to pay 8 times the old prize.
Before min wage: 1.5BEF and now almost 15BEF.
wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
gw dukung v2 juga 😁
i support v2 to ^______^
I love the new version except the war module. I dont want to commit that much time to waiting for my turn!!!
WE ALL HATE V2 U PLAY v2 IF U LIKE WE WONT!!!
o god!! you are so right!! haha
V2 is so stupid! 😑
I support new version!
actualy there should be fixed small lazy bug as minimum salary below 1 posibility (for example 0.xx) or from other side issume money values. otherwise economy barely will run forward.
Its pretty refreshing to finally see an article which isn't about V2 rant/whining. 😛 \,,/
i actually like everything bout the V2 except the fighting - PvP...
I supported V2, and then I saw this :
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-great-holdup-hospitals-le-casse-du-si-cle-les-h-pitaux--1447531/1/20">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-[..]1/20
With the proper adjustments V2 will be ok..never perfect but ok. It has some flaws right now but hopefully it will be repared. I support V2!
/salute
I guess you are the only one that likes eRepublik "Sinking"
thnx for article which explains why erep failed in v1 and why it is failing now. one more example of good idea and amateur implementation.
omg more people that support 'rising'.....home
eh ? Thank God I found someone who like v2 , ok 1 person like it , u enjoyed it for 1-2 days, iznt that enough ? now lets go back to v1 , coz 300K ppl are waiting !
"Everybody was hating V1 and for a while they did not even say why."
lol r u blind? all the articels is ABOUT WHY v2 fail.
just look at the economy:
1st of all almost all PROVED WAY OF migrations failed(globally millions of eStocks vanished)
wage and product prices are way in other dimensions (due to formulas)
... etc
so never the change is the problem, just the change to what.
I hate v2! and admin is a furry basher! you can't even say Scr!pt anymore! >.<
I will probally ragequit if things don't change, like thousands of others.
I HATE V2
It's not just resistance to change, it's the fact that we're once again offered a very, very broken game. Just like V1 was in the beginning. The final V1 was decent, as it was much, much better than the first V1 we were transferred to.
However, to continue your sentence:
Actually, V1 indeed brings several improvements (like a more complex economy module, thumbs up for that), but we (I) would like..
A working economy module. A working military module. A working politics module. Something that works. Late V1 worked, even if poorly. Late Beta worked, somewhat. The early V1 didn't. V2 doesn't.
A much lighter version. The current one hogs memory like no other, is extremely slow and sluggish. The user interface in Beta was VASTLY superior to this, because it responded quickly.
Less gold hungry economy. Equal resource redistribution.
To name a few. Happy now? 😃
Oh and btw give me the first beta back too, V2 is good but every product is unaffordable. At least we had pvp and we could buy weapons to fight, in V2 good stuff will be only a distant dream...
Well written article, one that i disagree with though.
I support the new version!
I also like v2 but the economical module just doesn't make sense.
Older players who saved money or had bought a lot of raw resources loose everything they worked for in v1
And that is NOT fair.
Loyal, hard working players whould be rewarded and not punished!
Also the first weeks new players will not be able to find a job.
Wonderful logic eRepublik!
I like economic and military module expect booster
this thing is stupid
It's not a new thing , It's SIMS without ... (u know)
and SIMS was stupid
go to work
go eat something
go and rest
u need to sleep
make friend now in V2 we have similar things
how many hours do u wanna work?
choose booster
now how many hours training?
choose booster again
go study
choose booster
go and rest (wtf is the deal with happiness)
chose booster
oh sh** now I have to fight
wait your turn (3 minutes)
move it
choose an opponent now
didnt die?
wait 3 more mins
defend urself
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and sh** goes on
and I hated SIMS
but they have put in the same formula
I support v2
Nu ne place v2, prea complicat, mai ales modulul militar. Aici daca vrei sa supravietuiesti, nu o poti face in 2 minute, si pentru unii ca mine, care au multa treaba in unele perioade, este un MARE MINUS.
I support new version.
A BEAUTIFUL ARTICLE!
I support V2 and so do all the quitters who haven't quit!
LOL
i support v2.
if you liked v1, you might as well make a website with 2 buttons which you can click once per day each.
I like Rising too. But there are quite a few things still to iron out, lest the players will start quitting en masse: productivity formulas look like they were just slapped there, instead of being carefully balanced (90 raw for food and 40 for house; 90 PP for food - this will make food a luxury even for more experienced players, and impossible to afford for beginners; 1000 PP for a ticket that only carries you across one zone vs a weapon that takes 400 PP and can be used 10-20 times; 5000 PP for a house -and this is quite a gem- houses wear out faster than they can be built; wage impossible to set below 1 pe hour, which makes babies loose alot more money for managers - no jobs for babies).
I was one of those who spoke against the pre-V2 whiners (OMGLOLOL admin wants our golds with 5 Lanas), but back then I didn't know what I know now, and I was hoping the out-of-this world productivity formulas in beta were just a placeholder. Yet they made it to the live realm. So yes, I joined the whiners party for now.
Guys 2 minutes will be very very short when huge armies will have to move on the battlefield, don't forget this. Military module is good as it is.
"I see so many comments like “admin, we don't like V2, don't you read us?”. I see so many comments "I`m leaving eRepublik", posted day after day, by the same people which don't seem to actually leave. There is a riot going on out there and I have a strong deja-vu feeling."
You conveniently forgot that during the beginning of V1 thousands DID actually leave the game. It left a huge bump in the charts that is noticeable by anyone who is not blind.
I can agree that there's certain amount of rejection towards change, but to claim that EVERYONE who doesn't glorify the changes is doing it purely out of irrational emotional reasons is plain absurd.
If you look at V2 from the view point of an user, I mean ACTUALLY look at it without favoring the design team simply because you've worked with the guys, you *might* notice the slight flaws in the entire system. Each of these flaws could had been fixed BEFORE making the game public if you had actually given the formulas and concepts to the users beforehand.
But no, again the admins did no such thing and instead discussed it with people who play the game entirely differently than the rest of the users, or who don't play the game at all.
Just a tip: cease and desist the policy of favoring people who agree with you and improve transparency and communication with the users at large! Maybe you'll actually manage to implement things that make this game interesting again by listening to the many different users instead of keeping it in eternal stasis as wanted by the few.
Voted!
We should improve the system (read here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/there-is-something-wrong--1448078/1/20)">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/ther[..]1/20) instead of asking to go back
Moonlight, you forgot about the biggest disadvantage of v.2 - the ,,goldification" of game... More options and new modes have nothing to do with that...