[UKR]Questions and Answers about Podolia
Day 976, 16:51
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by mihail.cazacu
Question: Why is Romania fortifying Podolia?
Answer: To minimize the possibility of losing the province by force.
Question: Does Romania intend to keep Podolia forever?
Answer:: Romania is willing to return Podolia to a friendly Ukraine. Romania annexed Podolia only after 2 consecutive presidents (Geka and Ivan Sirko) engaged in hostile acts towards Romania.
Question: What does it mean a friendly Ukraine?
Answer: A friendly Ukraine is a Ukraine member of EDEN.
Question: Don't you realize that annexing Podolia and fortifying it would further alienate the Ukrainians and push them towards Phoenix instead of bringing them closer to EDEN?
Answer: Ukraine behaved hostile during Geka's term and again during Ivan Sirko's term. At that time Ukraine had Podolia. Therefore it seems it made no difference if Ukraine had or didn't have Podolia. If Ukraine wants to get Podolia back now it's time to exhibit a different behavior than the behavior during the terms of Geka and Ivan Sirko.
Question: If Ukraine is a truly sovereign nation, why should Ukraine care about what Romania says? Why can't Ukraine attack Moldova if Ukraine wants to? Moldova is not Romania anyway.
Answer: Ukraine should care about what Romania says because provocation and sovereignty are two very different things. Moldova was without MPPs because Moldova was the organizer of the EDEN Training Wars. Since Moldova was not protected, Romania had the moral obligation to assist Moldova in case of an attack.
Question: Why so much butt-hurt because of an attack on Moldova, which was just for fun?
Answer: This is a game of strategy. Next time try to have fun in a strategically meaningful way.
Question: What if instead of moving towards EDEN Ukraine moves towards Phoenix?
Answer: First of all, since the term of Alexey Mac Ukraine behaved like a member of Phoenix. So that would be nothing new, really.
If Ukraine wants to join Phoenix instead of normalizing her relations with Romania and recovering Podolia peacefully, how can we stop that from happening?
Second, we have seen Latvia and Italy moving away from Phoenix. There should be good reasons for that. Maybe the only way for Ukraine to find out why people are leaving Phoenix is to join Phoenix.
Third, Ukraine can always try the "French solution" - bring Hungary to Podolia and if Hungary manages to conquer Podolia, to see how quickly she will be able to recover Podolia from Hungary. Since Hungary is Romania's source of baby-boom, any opportunity to fight Hungary is more than welcome.
Of course there's also the possibility the Ukrainian players learn from the past mistakes. I am sure the Russians with Ukrainian passports and the Russian fans can't learn anything. They've engaged in those provocations precisely because they didn't care about Podolia. They were glad when Ukraine lost Podolia because they could finally show how evil the Romanians are.
They would have kept attacking Romania and Moldova until we would have reacted because they only care about "fun". Negotiating with the Russians and their lap dogs is therefore useless and a waste of time anyway. (They are free to troll the article because that's what they're doing best.)
We are however willing to negotiate with those Ukrainians who truly care about Podolia and Ukraine's best interests. Hopefully they will succeed in regaining the control over their own country soon.
Answer: To minimize the possibility of losing the province by force.
Question: Does Romania intend to keep Podolia forever?
Answer:: Romania is willing to return Podolia to a friendly Ukraine. Romania annexed Podolia only after 2 consecutive presidents (Geka and Ivan Sirko) engaged in hostile acts towards Romania.
Question: What does it mean a friendly Ukraine?
Answer: A friendly Ukraine is a Ukraine member of EDEN.
Question: Don't you realize that annexing Podolia and fortifying it would further alienate the Ukrainians and push them towards Phoenix instead of bringing them closer to EDEN?
Answer: Ukraine behaved hostile during Geka's term and again during Ivan Sirko's term. At that time Ukraine had Podolia. Therefore it seems it made no difference if Ukraine had or didn't have Podolia. If Ukraine wants to get Podolia back now it's time to exhibit a different behavior than the behavior during the terms of Geka and Ivan Sirko.
Question: If Ukraine is a truly sovereign nation, why should Ukraine care about what Romania says? Why can't Ukraine attack Moldova if Ukraine wants to? Moldova is not Romania anyway.
Answer: Ukraine should care about what Romania says because provocation and sovereignty are two very different things. Moldova was without MPPs because Moldova was the organizer of the EDEN Training Wars. Since Moldova was not protected, Romania had the moral obligation to assist Moldova in case of an attack.
Question: Why so much butt-hurt because of an attack on Moldova, which was just for fun?
Answer: This is a game of strategy. Next time try to have fun in a strategically meaningful way.
Question: What if instead of moving towards EDEN Ukraine moves towards Phoenix?
Answer: First of all, since the term of Alexey Mac Ukraine behaved like a member of Phoenix. So that would be nothing new, really.
If Ukraine wants to join Phoenix instead of normalizing her relations with Romania and recovering Podolia peacefully, how can we stop that from happening?
Second, we have seen Latvia and Italy moving away from Phoenix. There should be good reasons for that. Maybe the only way for Ukraine to find out why people are leaving Phoenix is to join Phoenix.
Third, Ukraine can always try the "French solution" - bring Hungary to Podolia and if Hungary manages to conquer Podolia, to see how quickly she will be able to recover Podolia from Hungary. Since Hungary is Romania's source of baby-boom, any opportunity to fight Hungary is more than welcome.
Of course there's also the possibility the Ukrainian players learn from the past mistakes. I am sure the Russians with Ukrainian passports and the Russian fans can't learn anything. They've engaged in those provocations precisely because they didn't care about Podolia. They were glad when Ukraine lost Podolia because they could finally show how evil the Romanians are.
They would have kept attacking Romania and Moldova until we would have reacted because they only care about "fun". Negotiating with the Russians and their lap dogs is therefore useless and a waste of time anyway. (They are free to troll the article because that's what they're doing best.)
We are however willing to negotiate with those Ukrainians who truly care about Podolia and Ukraine's best interests. Hopefully they will succeed in regaining the control over their own country soon.
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Are about Serbia, did you forget Serbia??
They wiped out Croatia, don't you think Romania is next??
Я написал, но осуждаю! 😃 😃 😃 (just to encourage the brain-dead Russian trolls to go on with their favorite line - "Я не читал, но осуждаю"😉
serbia always only talks , no action 😃
so when was the last babyboom in Dacia? 🙂 hmm?
@simon31:
First of all I wouldn't celebrate the demise of Croatia too soon if I were you 😉
Besides, a baby-boom is exactly what Croatia needs in order to regain the parity with Serbia. And that's nothing better than a Serbian invasion to achieve that 😉
Second, Romania might prove a tougher nut to crack than Croatia. There's a different structure of the army and of the economy. Of course, we would know for sure only after Serbia tries...
@Ernst von Jacob:
We gained 4000 players on the occasion of the last Hungarian invasion. How about paying us another visit?
just ..BRING IT ON !
/salute
when was that invasion? 🙂 u have no more resource so please end this babyboom thing.
Михаил, истинная причина напряженных отношений между Румынией и Украиной состоит в том, что уже почти год на территории Украины орудует румынская ТО группа, которая исправно голосует на каждых выборах по указке из Бухареста.
Вы ведете нечестную игру, и рассчитываете что украинцы будут всегда терпеть это?
Я рад, что сейчас мы враги, Румыния должна поплатиться за постоянное вмешательство в нашу внутреннюю политику
Проявите жест доброй воли - сдайте украинские паспорта и верните Подолье, и тогда, возможно, Украина будет милосердной к вам.
@Ivan Sirko: Your actions resulted in losing Podolia. Of course you would always look for an excuse to justify your actions.
Ukraine's main problem is that a huge country in RL has a very small number of players in-game. That makes it possible for the Russians to have "fun" with Ukraine in-game even though there's no gas pipeline to be switched off during winter time.
So the choice is really simple:
1. Keep doing what you did and see how it works out
OR
2. Return to friendly relations.
@Ernst von Jacob: Well, who stops you from finding out if I'm right or wrong?
Mihail, i'm sorry to say it, but you can't not understand, that "A friendly Ukraine is a Ukraine member of EDEN." isn't possible at the moment. i doubt that EDEN needs Ukraine right now and it's very doubtful that we need EDEN in our today's situation.
i'm fully understand why Geka or Sirko did what they did but not everyone here knows or WANTS to know and the actions of your government make it even worse.
Россия всегда, вне зависимости от текущей ситуации, будет поддерживать Украину.
Румынии же нужно украинское железо, Украина в ЕДЕНе, условия, требования, угрозы, наставления, и чтобы румын в украинской прессе не называли цыганами. У нее такая стратегия
You're right, maybe, in case of attacking Moldova by Ukraine. But eRomania was now crossing borders in relationship between our nations. I don't like when somebody threaten me. Nobody likes. This is hinder to think clearly. And you're agressors now. You've taken our land by force. Возможно, вы правы в случае когда Украина атаковала Молдову. Но теперь еРумыния перешла границы в отношениях между нашими народами. Я не люблю, когда мне угрожают. Никто не любит. Это мешает ясно думать. И сейчас агрессоры вы. Вы силой захватили наши земли.
nice propaganda, as always 😒
"Россия всегда, вне зависимости от текущей ситуации, будет поддерживать Украину." Как не прискорбно, но это неправда, уже были преценденты когда вас бесили малейшие десанты против какого-то из ваших союзников. Ну и мы прекрасно помним многочисленные разговоры про захват Крыма и т.п. Сейчас вроде тоже некоторые из ваших высокопоставленных лиц не в восторге от идеи помочь нам.
Obvious propaganda is so obvious 😉
EDEN fails everything it could, and now you are afraid, that Hungary will swap and occupy Podolia with it MPPs. So you decided, that ukrainian Podolia is better, than hungarian. That's all, no need to type walls of text.
Михаил, если вы вернете нам Подолье и выплатите компенсацию за его удержание, мы возможно вас простим и даже пообещаем не нападать месяца 2-3. Но думайте быстрее, когда вас начнут пилить, будет поздно, и я обещаю вам десант украинских танков под Бухарестом.
If they let Hungary though to attack it, they'll never see Podolia again
Вопрос Вступление в EDEN очень продолжительная процедура. Я правильно понял, что Украина не сможет получить свой регион назад в приемлемые сроки (максимум неделя)?
Geka +1
@Olesxander Day 976, 23:48
"Вопрос Вступление в EDEN очень продолжительная процедура. Я правильно понял, что Украина не сможет получить свой регион назад в приемлемые сроки (максимум неделя)? "
Ты правильно понял, румыны будут затягивать процедурные вопросы всеми силами, что бы не возвращать нам Подолье, после чего всосут от венгров, потеряют его и скажут, что вот мол мы уже готовы были его вам отдать, но пришли венгры и все испортили. Ну или скажут, мол вон Жека против нас воюет, поэтому вы вам его не вернем. Да мало ли причин можно найти, если не хочется возвращать.
Гораздо приятней попытаться забрать Подолье у захватчиков силой. Да и надежней в стратегическом плане быть сильными, а не зависит от благосклонности наших соседей.
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Давно такой пропаганды не видел 🙂
Только больные на голову украинцы могут поддерживать в данной ситуации Румынию.
mihail.cazacu, кто тебе сказал, что Румыния нам может указывать? Если будете продолжать угрожать, то мы найдем способ справиться с вами.
Забирать Подолье и окапываться в нём - не самый лучший способ приглашения в альянс.
Переговори вести... формально. На застройку Подолья госпиталями искать союзников и латать "безжальний чобiт"
И таки да. Статья чистая пропаганда. Помощь коллаборационистам пройти в парламент.
@Clico: Right now what options do we have?
1. If we return Podolia to the current pro-Phoenix government, another Geka or Sirko would do what Geka and Sirko did.
2. If we don't manage to defend Podolia we simply return to the situation when Geka or Ivan Sirko were presidents.
3. If we manage to defend Podolia against an attempt to liberate it by force it will become clear for everybody that negotiations are the only solution. And we are willing to discuss.
@Geka & Olesxandr:
The process of becoming a member of EDEN can be very fast or very slow. It all depends on the Ukrainians.
The fast version?!
The pro-Phoenix people show they truly care about Ukraine's interests and withdraw from Ukraine's political life. They do not run for Congress or for presidency anymore. If they want to be congressmen, they do like Alexandr Sunbeliever di😛 they take the Russian citizenship and run for Congress there. After all, until now they only worked against Ukraine's interests. Their actions resulted in the loss of Podolia.
@Txip:
Ukraine's main problem is there are a very few Ukrainians playing this game. Real Life Ukraine is more than 2 time bigger than Romania. She is even bigger than Poland. But because only a very few Ukrainian people play the game, the Russians and the friends of Russia can easily take control of Ukraine and then do what Geka and Ivan Sirko did.
Ukraine will become a strong country only after a baby-boom. You all know you can have a baby-boom in Western Ukraine by fighting a war against Russia. Alexey Mac, Geka and Ivan Sirko did their best to sabotage your baby-boom.
Alexey Mac did his best to destroy your friendly relations with Poland. Geka and Ivan Sirko did the same with Romania.
So the real problem of Ukraine is not the neighbors but the low population which allows the Russians and their fans to easily control you.
"Нигде нет столько лжи как во на войне и на выборах" (не помню кто сказал).
В данной ситуации одно накладывается на другое.
Фильтровать информацию становится весьма затруднительно.
Но есть гораздо более простой способ.
Посмотрите на карту.
Еще вопросы?
Ця риторика вже не нова. До речі, пан Казаку вже казав, як використовував еУкраїну в румунських цілях і як бажає використовувати її і надалі. Можливо, ця стаття для тих, хто не пам'ятає відверто ворожнечих висловів Казаку на нашу адресу.
Румунський шлях, на жаль(так, на жаль) це шлях шантажу та погроз.
Про яку дружність може йти мова, коли ця мова ультиматумів та погроз? Раджу почитати українську історію, реальну, щоб зрозуміти, наскільки українці шанують незалежність та свою країну, щоб продаватися іншим державам.
Румунія застосувала силу. Тепер, погрогжуючи і надалі, хоче стати нам другом. Да ви чогось об'їлися там, істино кажу вам 🙂
Миша, як посол ти ведеш себе дуже не дипломатично, називаючи половину населення еУкраїни росіянами 😉
Все інше сказали замість мене мої співвітчизники.
Question: Who is this Mr Cazacu, and what he want from Ukraine?
Answer: he is an ex-Eden semicheaf, and wants Podolia from Ukraine. Or a puppet-Ukraine to let Romanian business go freely.
Question: Is that so bad thing to be ruled by Romanians?
Answer: Sure not. Ukraine was PTO-d a lot of times by them, and the country still exists, is still independent, and can do anything, if this "anything" is not against her master's wish.
Question: Why this butthurt about attacking Moldova?
Answer: besides most of romanian people think about Moldova as romanian soil (IRL), it was just a FAKE casus belly. The training war era has gone with the V1, so taking revenge EXACTLY when this era has past shows us this was a BIG LYE.
This article is a very good (I mean professional) propaganda. Mr Cazacu, maybe you shoul go to Croatia to explain them, why EDEN let them alone, and erased from the map?
mihail.cazacu
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Хватит врать! Нафик хоть одному из соседей нужна сильная самостоятельная Украина. Которая сама будет выбирать с кем кого выпиливать. Румыны точно не против послушной второй Молдовы.
Сказки про ББ надоели ещё в исполнение львовской школоты. Нужно привлекать к военному делу тех кто уже играет, а не мифических бебибумеров.
@gyika:
A few corrections, my disloyal countrymate 😉
1. Mr. Cazacu is still in the EDEN HQ. So when I talk about EDEN membership I know what I am talking about 😉
2. Ukraine's attacks on Romania resulted in Ukraine losing Podolia. As long as Ukraine was friendly, Podolia was Ukrainian.
3. Ukraine was behaving with hostility. There is no sign the hostility would not have continued in V2.
Annexing Podolia is the only way to show to the Russian fans of Ukraine what is the price of hostility.
Returning Podolia to a friendly Ukraine is the best way to show to the Ukrainian players the benefits of being a member of EDEN.
@kwatra:
If half of Ukraine acted in Russia's interests then why are you surprised Ukraine lost Podolia?!
Ukraine will have Podolia back. The easiest way is through negotiations. We are currently fortifying Podolia in order to make it harder to be taken by force. We would be idiots not to fortify it.
All those fortifications mean nothing if we agree to return it to a friendly Ukraine. We are in the business of helping our friends. We're not Hungary who "rents" Rhone-Alps by force. Act like true friends and you'll get Podolia back.
@Txip: Until you have the "Lviv schoolchildern" in control of the country your true capital will be Moscow.
If you take your orders from Moscow, why are you surprised you've lost Podolia?!
Alexey Mac, а русский путь - это жизнь без Подолья? ) "Зато с Россией"😢с)
Txip, "Сказки про ББ надоели ещё в исполнение львовской школоты" - ни Тоши, ни Йохан про ББ ничего не говорили.
@Txip: Until you have the "Lviv schoolchildern" in control of the country your true capital will be Moscow.
If you take your orders from Moscow, why are you surprised you've lost Podolia?!
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Оттого что Молдова ваш сателлит не нужно высказывать свои необоснованные подозрения по отношению к украинским игрокам. Это по крайней мере не дипломатично.
Кажись стороны свои позиции прояснили и я не вижу потребности дальше общаться с захватчиком.
Clico, дуже погано, що таке у нас бачення: або Румунія або Росія. Хоча це і яскравіші представники блоків для нас. Але не єдині.
Я не казав про російський шлях, але відповім. Те, що ти сказав, мене не влаштовує. Та і всіх також, думаю. Росія - не сама суть. Без користі для еУкраїни нам не потрібна будь-яка дружба. Особливо з великими країнами. Тому що є, що з ними якщо не користь, то шкода.
Мені б отілося побачити зараз прагматичних політиків, які будуть шукати дійсно зиск із нашої зовнішньополітичної політики, а не тупо кричати, куди нам йти. Гадаю, тут ми думаємо однаково.
Txip, "Сказки про ББ надоели ещё в исполнение львовской школоты" - ни Тоши, ни Йохан про ББ ничего не говорили.
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Про ББ говорили многие и даже многие пытались его спровоцировать. Результаты от нулевых до отрицательных. Может хватит мечтать о несбыточном. Попробовать другой путь. Более эффективно использовать ту тысячу украинцев которые уже в игре.
это даже не пропаганда а банальная наглость по-румынски...
знаем, помним, видели уже такое и не раз. и не надо тут о френдли разговоры разговаривать. еРумыния только подтвердила свой статус врага №1 для еУкраины.
Михаил, вы бы лучше потратили время, которое потратили на написание статьи - на более полезные дела. Установку дефенсов в Румынии например. Мы все понимаем, что Румыния - беззащитная овечка. И что вам уже недолго осталось. Так зачем же вы агонизируете преждевременно?
@sunbeliever: You did the right thing and got a Russian citizenship. If all the people who think like you would have done the same, today Ukraine would have had Podolia 😉
@Gelios: Who acted against Poland while Ukraine was the ally of Poland? Alexey Mac
Who attacked Romania and Moldova? Geka and Ivan Sirko
Who is responsible for the current situation? Alexey Mac, Geka and Ivan Sirko
What to do to get Podolia back? Make sure such people never get to control Ukraine in the future. Get a baby-boom in Western Ukraine.
@Armanych: The Romanian president told your Foreign Minister that we cannot return Podolia to the current pro-Phoenix leadership.
Do you want Podolia back? Tell all the pro-Phoenix Congressmen to resign and vote for a pro-EDEN president in the next elections. Get rid of the Russian influence and the problem is solved. You can start by applying for the Russian citizenship yourself 😉
What to do to get Podolia back? Make sure such people never get to control Ukraine in the future. Get a baby-boom in Western Ukraine.
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Прям покупать билет и ехать через всю страну во Львов делать детей. Местные совсем неспроможнi?
Do you want Podolia back? Tell all the pro-Phoenix Congressmen to resign and vote for a pro-EDEN president in the next elections. Get rid of the Russian influence and the problem is solved. You can start by applying for the Russian citizenship yourself 😉
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Зачем Подолье на таких условия, если мне придется выбирать только угодных румынам людей. Ради куска земли, хоть и с богатыми недрами, я не готов отдавать свою свободу.
"😉o you want Podolia back? Tell all the pro-Phoenix Congressmen to resign and vote for a pro-EDEN president in the next elections. "
Do you want a bone? Then bark as your master wants.
As I know, Romania now is bankrupt. So, they have no resources to take Podolia once more if they lost it in some way. So, dear fellow ukrainians: kick them out once, and you will have no problem with them for months!
This is just that simple.
@ mr cazacu: didn't know you're still in Eden's headquarter, this explains why the alliance was so effective last couple of days 🙂. anyway, I'd like to ask one thing: if you wanted only to punish the country, why you (Romania) took Podolia from Moldova?
ok, one more question: what business has NOW Romania with Ukraine? There is NO training war in Moldova, so there is no one thing Ukraine can do to piss Romania off.
Your reasoning is so crooked I need to get lessons from you 🙂.
Fast way of becaming Ukraine a member of EDEN is impossible. You need to soften your demands, if you want friendship with eUkraine.
Миша, часики тикают, поднимайте восстание и возвращайте Подолье, завтра может быть уже поздно. Ты все понял?
Hungary will conquer Podolia through Ukr or Transilvania but WE WILL CAPTURE!
only a crazy will ally with a dying alliance
@Olesxander:
Peace between Ukraine and Moldova would be the first step towards normalizing the relations and receiving Podolia back.
We will answer by returning the taxes you used to collect from Podolia.
Convince the pro-Russian gang to step down from power for Ukraine's greater good and you will receive not only the taxes back but also the province.
It is as simple as that.
@gyika: Ukraine had Podolia and still attacked both Romania and Moldova. Such actions must have consequences. Otherwise it would mean a license to keep doing hostile acts.
@Ernst von Jacob: gyika says Romania is bankrupt. This means we can't defend ourselves anywhere, including in Podolia. Therefore please, do your worst 🙂
@Geka: Your actions have resulted in Ukraine losing Podolia. What makes you think your opinion has any value in the discussions over the returning of Podolia?!
question: where was the romanian army when croatia was razed to the ground ?
answer: attacking Podolia and then taking it from the Moldovians
question: why Romania took it from Moldovia ?
answer: because romanians are selfish egoistics
question: why romanians didn't help to their allies in their important battle
answer: because they only think for theirselves
question: why Romania fortify Podolia ?
answer: because you know the ukrainian people won't do what you dictate them
question: what is the romanian way of making friends?
answer: demanding and if it is not accepted, then attacking...
we bulgarians know that propaganda. that is why you are surrounded by hostile nations
ха.. румыны хотят сделать нас "friendly" отбирая основу экономики и пытаясь ТОшнуть правительство?
'This is a game of strategy." Так что думайте головой.
Mihail, you are loosing an information war this time. Face it. Acts of your government are quite understandable, they pursued 2 points: to secure north-eastern border and to get a high-iron region. This is a game, a war game.
But what now - you want to make eUkraine friendly towards eRomania through some talk... Huh, what a generous move! Although everyone knows that deeds are better proof than words. Your military win was in fact a diplomatic failure - you can not count on so called pro-EDEN citizens in Ukraine anymore. We have our own interests too.