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Uh, I'm all for pushing into Latin America, but Canada's part of ATLANTIS. There's a good chance the rest of the alliance would turn against us.

I look forward to your future congress run representing the Great State of Oaxaca. Or Québec.

Your fun-sounding expansionist bombast does an excellent job of sounding fun. Unfortunately it demonstrates a poor grasp of what is possible and practical for the US in this game, or international relations "realism" generally.

Can you imagine what a politically unmanageable sheet-show your vaunted Greater American Empire would be? Do you really think that a vastly redundant, multiethnic, multilingual state is an even remotely sane idea?

I'm all for taking over Canadia, but only if we give it back after we loot all their delicious bacon.

+1 to Citizen Dru

Vote for Uncle Sam/Joe DaSmoe we will bring more war!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-american-power-and-glory--745601/1/20

-1 for Dumbass Dru...
I don't think that Indonesia is having a "multi-cultural backlash" when they took over f#^$%ing Argentina?!? Or what about Pakistan in China, or what about Romania and the entire continent of Asia basically...
It is you, Douschebag Dru that I am talking about. You are f$&$ing up the potential of this country!!!

That was unwarranted. You lack the knowledge of foreign affairs that babies are born with, and he's not insulting you for that. I am, but that's besides the point.

@ the writer, ah yes, a young Hitler in training. Screw the sovereignty of the world. Let's make one super nation. Screw everybody else's ambitions. There is a bigger picture than eUS, or eIndonesia, or eIran, or eRomania. We can all rush down this glorious path, but what happens when we are left with 2 or 3 nations? Do you realize how many dreams will be crushed in make it possible? It will be genocide (not in the literal death, but many people's ambitions will be eradicated.). But heck, its all good as long as the good ol eUSA comes out on top. Right?

This is not a game of conquest

Spell "douchebag" correctly and ditch the schoolyard insults, and maybe people might be willing to take you seriously, Ghandvyk. I found it weird that you would flame-PM me with exactly the same comment. I'll publish my own PM reply for everyone else to see.

"It's a very different set of contexts, and you're oversimplifying.
Indonesia did have just such a backlash in Argentina, and they realized that long-term keeping Patagonia and Pampas was not feasible. The map has not been updated, but they have been given back to Argentina.

Supposing your Imaginary Empire were even militarily possible (which it isn't), if you want to try to govern a United States where there's an almost 50-50 split between actual United States and Occupied Provinces in our congress, speaking four languages, be my guest.

Lastly, your language does you no favors. What is this? A high school lunch room? Moreover, I don't do flame-spam. If you had something to say to me, say it in the comments. I won't respond to you again."

Just curious Emerick how you and DF are running on the same ticket. He's pushing for a milder and less ALL CAPS WITH @#$%@ version of the OP's plan. I'm still scratching my head on that one.

I don't agree with attacking Canada, but taking the whole of Mexico, sure. If, at some point in the future, we're strong enough to take on France or Brazil or Portugal, and their allies on our own (not likely in the near future), we should do so.
We play this game to win. Romania & Indonesia are the stars of this game, we should build our strength (OT- I love the wargames, though I'm not sure government provision of weapons is the best way to go about it) and prepare to follow in their footsteps.

Curious...why don't these people organize and pull off a PTO. Be sneaky about it...Raid their treasury, and leave them weaken and confused so they fall so easily. Ghv...why not create your own CIA, and go forth and win the battle before it even starts?

@Daisy

I sympathize with you here on policy, but you're a little over-the-top language-wise. I'm not sure it makes any sense to speak of "genocide" and "crushed dreams" in a browser-based MMORPG. 🙂

@Mr. Pretentious himself, Citizen Dru:
Well I'm sorry I may have offended you Citizen Dru with my abrasive language and unfathomable insight into an illogical and over-simplified understanding of real world politics. If you want to discuss how I believe that many of the over-arching themes of the Austrian school of economics should be applied to the status quo, and that the current disastrous global economic situation is an exact representation of the previous administration's (despite having voiced concurence) failure to do so; we could talkl about the abominable effects of an imperial and overstepping American government. I am not here to do this. What the hell are we here for besides making money and conquering our neighbors. You need to read a little Machiaveli and then reevaluate your perception of this game. "Douchebag"

--BTW @Alphamega3's: dude if someone has some idea on how to pull off espionage in this game... let me know please!!

@ Daisy:
WOW. AH YES, You are the definition of lame. CRUSHED DREAMS!? Seriously?

I WISH Hitler had commited such unforgivable atrocities on a f$^%ing game instead of killing millions in Europe!

It is your misguided an wrongfully applied idealism that is keeping Indonesia and Romania on top!

GET REAL!!!

@Dru, yeah my language is a bit exagerated 🙂

My point remains the same though. There are other players in other countries that are there for a reason. If they wanted to be American they would move here. I do not believe we have the right to crush their ambitions of making a life for themselves in those countries just because we have the raw manpower to do so.

I would rather see America playing the role of protector of those ambitions. I'd rather see America act as a counter force against imperialism (we did good work in Israel and greece). My grand vision for the future is a well diversified world, not 2 or 3 countries splitting everything up. I wish for America to pioneer this and be the advocate for liberty for all. That is my vision for America. You can flame me for it if you want. But this is the stand that I take.

I lolzed

@Daisy:
Thanks for the clarification by taking out all of the crap.

I believe we should at least take control of our own backyard. Latin America should be America.

I don't advocate 2 or 3 countries, but thank you for putting words in my mouth!! I don't like that we are losing our influence by sitting around and claiming to be a "protector" while watching the world get taken by someone else...
Israel was a good thing. So was Greece. And Switzerland a while back. I support not intervention in the rest of the world, as long as those nations stand back and allow American business in their countries.

Oh, Ghvandyk. "Pretentious" is my middle name.

C'mon, man. I'm trying to engage your ideas and you go all ad-hom. I'm even trying to like you, and you're just coming off looking kinda mentally ill.

I'm a fan of Machiavelli, but if you misread him as some kind of weirdo whole-hog warmonger, you're going to end up getting the long-term strategy wrong. Machiavelli is all about prudent, calculated warfare and clever manipulation of reputation, not about "attack everything for no reason". I urge you to reread him.

But cheer up. I'm no hater. I just want your ideas to be better.

@Miss Daisy - you want to continue to ignore the basic mechanics of the game: war = strength. We can't protect anyone by sitting on our hands. You are under the mistaken impression that the eUSA is a massive military super-power in eRep. The fact is, we are not. And the only way for us to become so is by being involved in more wars. More wars = more strength, more rank, more wellness. Only when we have these things can we approach negotiations with more powerful and truly imperialistic nations from a position where our goals can be achieved.

The eUSA did not liberate Israel and Greece. Stop acting like this was our doing. The RW's were started without our gov't planning them. In fact, most of the eUS military took no part in either conflict because we were standing ready if Indonesia should invade India, a country that we had an MPP with. The American military personnel that fought in Israel and Greece with funding and orders from the gov't was not even the complete Marines. We only sent 4 tanks into Greece. Review the battle history and you will see that the heros and major damage was done by long-time powerful players, primarily from Atlantis nations, from their own pockets. The RW's succeeded largely because Turkey had left PEACE and so few Indos and Iranians fought.

@Daisy: You should read my article "We're the Good Guys". While I appreciate your desire to see eAmerica as a defender of freedom and liberty and all that jazz, the fact of the matter is that it really only hinders our own progress in comparison with the progress of the rest of the world. This isn't a land of sunshine and happiness, it's a shark tank. And every opportunity for growth that we don't take, we're just letting the rest of them circle us closer and closer.

@Dru
Using your own definition of macheavellian realism:
How does your proposal exactly coordinate with calculated warfare... and how does mine not?
Think harder Dru. While my methods you may not understand or like to hear, my message resonates deeper than you think.

Wow crazy man on a keyboard.

"..are scared about "hurting the PR image of the US by expanding its borders"... well F$$# YOU!!"

Yep. That's pretty deep.
*cough*

There ya go!! Blue Holt understands!!!

@ghvandyk

I think you totally make sense, and it pisses the eRepublik "elites" off! It TOTALLY IS calculated warfare to conquer our whole back yard, especially since it would be relatively easy for us! Talk about realism...we need to check power, with even MORE overwhelming American power.

If we, as a country, don't grow some balls and stop being so idealistic and lame, the countries who have no qualms with playing this GAME as a game (rea😛 f^$#ing conquering the world) will overwhelm us. THAT'S realism! VOTED!

*sorry I guess sarcasm is difficult to portray online*

@Blue Holt: pah-lease...this isn't the f%#*ing complex real world, and and there is no pre-established "Peace is the only way" international norm in eRepublik. In fact, its the exact opposite...the countries who are concerned with POWER (the realists) are doing what realists do, kicking down doors, conquering, and dealing with the "bad PR" later. And BTW, who gives a f%$& about "bad PR" in a game anyways...you don't gain "good will" points in eRepublik for being "nice"...you just lose.

What some Americans are arguing for is tantamount to rolling over and letting the rest of the eWorld kick ass, have fun, while we are content to sit with our thumbs up our asses and have our own little political and economic simulation. LAME.

My own definition of Machiavellian realism isn't just my own, it's also Machiavelli's:

"But men always commit the error of not knowing where to limit their hopes, and by trusting to these rather than to a just measure of their resources, they are generally ruined."
—Discourses, Book 2, Ch. XXVII (titled "Wise Princes and Republics Should Content Themselves With Victory; For When They Aim At More, They Generally Lose")

I hate to pull out dusty books to make my point, but you're the one who brought up Machiavelli. We don't have the resources (i.e. money, active population, arms, reputation) to sustainably occupy Latin America. Spain may even stop us if they occupy Campeche and end your dream forever.

Now, it must excite people to think of a western hemisphere painted blue. It would be totally rad to have a high diamond or iron region. But invading Latin America would depopulate the regions of active foreign citizens, earn us permanent enemies, and basically win us nothing other than map flood-fill and headaches. War is beneficial, but occupation produces remarkably little in terms of long-term benefit.

Canada does not want some Conservative Republican form of government placed on them. (Many of their industries are 'Royal' branded.) Leave them alone.

@Modog: I generally agree with the point that a large number of eAmericans are too content to remain inactive while ignoring the fact that every nation that poses a threat is willing to show a pro-active stance towards the pursuit of power.

However, while we may not get any sort of bonus for good PR, the fact of the matter is that becaues of the social nature of this game, it still has an effect. I agree with Dru's description of "prudent" warfare. It's a fine balancing act, between coming off as overtly hostile and aggressive, and appearing weak and unwilling to advance our nation's power.

the us aren't strong enough to conquer the rest of america and if they where it would give them a border with indo

Wow. Sorry, no vote.

lol...just lol...

why do u think there hasn't been more attacks on Mexico?

just use ur brain..this isnt RL this is eRep..and if u cant do it ask ur parents for you =-p

This is the lulziest article ever, same with the all the ones before it, and ghvandyk is the lulziest writer ever. I'm going to subscribe to this for more lols in the future.

P.S I am in fact trying to be a douche

Hmm, work espionage? Ever heard of the eCIA, or The Party's fall, or saving eMalaysia and other countries from PEACE election takeover? Did not hear about it, did you? Good, they're doing their job.

We can be active militarily and ranking up our troops without taking over huge tracks of land.

Apparantly I was wrong about greece and Israel. They occurred before my time. All I could gather was from all the articles people posted about how great America was for these countries. Nothing is stopping us from turning around now though and getting more proactive in the world. And yeah, we would see a ton of military activity if we were to work towards halting Imperialist expansion.

As I see it heading now though the world will be shaped as eUS if we do go Imperial, eRomania, eIran, and eIndonesia. The rest of the world will slowly be enveloped into the power houses. If you don't want to defend the rights of other players around the world then at least defend an interesting end game. The game will die when we run out of diversity. There will be 4 super powers pushing into each, maybe even less. What then when it becomes two super powers? What then when one finally wins out? It is game over for all.

"We can be active militarily and ranking up our troops without taking over huge tracks of land."

She's got HUGE tracks of land!

@Hari. I caught that too. Monty Python never goes out of style.

I'm going to continue reporting you for abusive homophobic language, so keep it up, sport.