"We Are All eKiwis Now!" ...maybe
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Chetan Zapato
Hello eNew Zealand!
First of all, I would like to apologize for anyone who has been offended by misunderstanding my past comments or who might be offended by reading this. It is partly my fault for not communicating clearly my views. IT IS NOT MY INTENT TO INSULT ANYONE. I only want to clarify matters and create a stronger eNew Zealand and if you are a true eKiwi, then you shouldn't be offended.
I DON'T believe there is a PTO. I DON'T believe the eSerbians are PTOers. But I do think there is a valid REASON for this type of thinking, even if it is a bad one. Aside from this, I thank every ex-eSerbian who is now a eKiwi and whose goal is a strong eNZ.
As I see it, there are three types of eNZ citizens:
1 - RL eKiwis: They should be the majority but sadly are the minority. In fact, the only one I know of is Calbe. Obviously, they have the most loyal interest in their country and have its interest at heart above all else. This is irrefutable. We can't do much about this population except hope that erepublik spreads in New Zealand and/or spread links on New Zealand sites.
2 - Naturalized eKiwis: This is everyone who ABANDONED their old allegiance. THIS DOES NOT MEAN ABANDONING YOUR LOVE FOR YOUR MOTHERLAND, but simply to have your priorities straight and that eNew Zealand has our allegiance before anyone else. This is the most diverse group with great people with different views.
3 - The Others: Those who are fake eKiwis with other allegiances. THIS MIGHT NOT BE INTENTIONAL NOR THAT THEY ARE NECESSARILY PTOERS
I don't think there are many of us who are 100% type 2 or 3; most of us are a lil bit of both.
I'll start with my background, I was born eMexican and was mostly just a 2-clicker; my Spanish isn't that great and I couldn't really get involved. I respected Spanish as the official language and didn't publish in English (more about this later). Now that I am here, I am a eKiwi. If eMexico was threatened, sure, I would love to help them, but I would NOT bring the whole country into a war unless it benefited us (if the war was with South America and we wanted to expand into Chile for example). To be honest, I don't even know where eMexico stands in this EDEN/PHOENIX thing nor do I follow news about eMexico.
When the first Congressional Election came around, there was a lot of PTO scare and the eSerbs got the worst of it. Obviously I was afraid also and I apologize for that. But I had a reason. For one, a huge immigration of Serbs right before elections is kinda suspicious (which I read but am unsure about the accuracy of the timing). Then there are the eSerbian images (as avatars) and eSerbian articles I read which just had some blatant statements such as eNZ becoming eSerbia's second country!!! If I could refind it, I would post it here for proof. And also images symbolizing eSerbia and eNew Zealand merging was really disturbing. And there are those who still had (and might still have) an official position in eSerbia which is ridiculous (to have 2 allegiances!!!).
But seriously, eSERBIA'S SECOND COUNTRY??? That is just too much.
Don't get me wrong, eSerbians have the freedom to come just like very one else and they can equally say that the eAmericans are trying to take control. Anyone had the freedom to create parties and try to run for Congress, though the provisional government condemned it at the time.
Things kinda died down and many eSerbians have truly become eNZ Kiwis and have its interests at heart as much as we can be sure of ANY non-RL eKiwi citizen can have. Now however with the 2nd Congressional Election, things got ugly again. But what are the causes?
1st: eSerbian articles: There are many articles not written in English and just as I respected eMexico's language, everyone should respect eNZ's language. Now I have been told this is because of the publishing rules and because many ex-eSerbians Kiwis have eSerbian subscribers. Well, I could bring up the allegiance argument and say why not write for eNZ now? Why continue to write for another country? But no, I think they have every right to write for whoever they want. But then, it still seems suspicious... so why not just publish in BOTH languages? That way, eKiwis can become aware of eSerbian affairs and our bonds can strengthen. I mean, there isn't anything to hide is there? But non-eSerbian readers have to rely on google translate and some of the things in those articles disturbing... but this might be google's fault so wouldn't it just be better every way around and it would help stop the hate ex-eSerbian Kiwis keep encountering.
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Battles: War drives erepublik economy so even if we are neutral, we need BATTLES!!! With balanced MPPs, we don't have to lean to either side of the super alliance conflict. Great. But suddenly I find myself fighting on PHOENIX side a lot. I don't mind fighting and defending eSerbia, our allies but what about keeping a balance? Now maybe this is just a coincidence or maybe it's intentional but it still makes people suspicious.
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Congress: It's understandable that ex-eSerbian kiwis want to secure that Congress isn't controlled by eUSA interests which is quite reasonable. But some proposals are really suspicious...I don't know much about the situation so I won't comment much about it and in fact it might not have anything to do with the ex-Serbians but still, it is suspicious.
These things could easily be fixed if people try it. I don't promise that people will stop yelling PTO or that they will not find something to hate about but I myself will defend those who are true Kiwis and share my allegiance to eNew Zealand. Maybe it is just one individual creating an ugly image, or maybe it is a big elaborate PTO but things are suspicious EVEN IF IT IS NOT INTENTIONAL.
One thing I recommend is to truly have 1 allegiance (if eSerbia is attacked and in danger, go ahead and help them but don't drag the nation unless it is beneficial for us). There are those who still serve eSerbia officially, and if you are a true Kiwi, resign and serve eNZ. I have seen many ex-eSerbians Kiwis with the same avatar and I assume it is an eSerbian image and it implies an allegiance to eSerbia. I won't go as far as to say that you should change it, but it might be a reason why things are the way they are.
Thanks to everyone who is a Kiwi and for their allegiance to eNew Zealand, including YOU, ex-eSerbian Kiwis!!!
Comments
The image I assume you see is White Eagles.
VOTE
WE ARE ALL eKIWIS NOW!!!
Nice hospitality
And no, the avatar images he references aren' tjust the 'white eagle' avatars, there is a second militia avatar that is much more obviusly pro-Serbia.
He think about us,but he dont know that we now have kiwi squad,first NZ army!
I promise you,if some country attack NZ-we will defend our new home!!!
The ones who actually respond to us: we believe you. We believe you are here to just help us, or think you are helping us.
We want you to join our government and we want you to be apart of the Kiwi community. It's the rest of your party that's screwing us over.
You guys CAN change things. Talk to your party, and try to get them to change. Ask them to agree to follow our congressional procedures. Ask them not to force us into a pro-Phx stance (going behind our backs and getting the French President to propose a MPP with us), ask them to sit down at the table with us and talk things over, man to man.
You guys have the power to change everything. But to start down this path, we need you to help us all take the first step.
I keep coming back here just to look at that hot ass girl...
at least we can all agree: I'd tap that 😃
I stopped reading at "Serbia's Second Country". How many times are you going to use that bullcrap?
I remember once reading a comment about this nation becoming "Little Canada". I don't see the same outrage being shown by you. Perhaps because you're letting your bias shine through.
It's just a joke. Get a sense of humor.
maybe its because I didnt see that comment or else I would have
I've seen numerous eSerbians say that it was meant as a joke. If you didn't see them saying that, then you apparently don't read the comments of your own articles.
That, or you refuse to believe them, which means you are letting your bias speak for you instead of actually trying to trust any of the eSerbians.
Nice, Voted.
I am from RL Mexico. I know the actual situation of Mexico and I can said that they are no PHOENIX, but they are Anti-EDEN
Mexico has President Uncle Sam to thank for that. Not to mention being denied entry into ATLANTIS.
so you are saying the serbs were joking about this during a time when people suspect them about PTO and then the Serbs wonder why???
look adam you left so please stay out of this. You admit you didnt read all of my article, where I CLEARLY STATE I DONT THINK THEY ARE A PTO where I AM THANKFUL FOR EX-eSERBIANS WHO ARE NOW KIWIS and you miss my point AGAIN! I only say why people might think this is true to try to build a bridge, I even say it might be a bad reason why people think this.
All you do is troll for no reason, what is wrong with me trying to help clear things up? maybe you are to stupid to read or analyse? I am sorry but its just clear you are a F trolling little B that should stay the F away
Day 1,103, 20:06 Voted
Adam Reese you are an idiot. Get out and stop causing trouble. I used to think you were funny... but now i see that you really are just a sad little troll.
Chetan: I heard the same "Second Serbia" thing And no clearly it was not a joke. (He sent me a msg. saying that we can't stop Phoenix from PTOing NZ)
As for the Canada thing... A very idiotic idea of yours AR. Serbians are a majority population here in NZ, Canadians make up less then 10%. So it would be impossible for them to make a "second Canada"
I'd hit that.
F trolling little B? Ooh, such harsh consonants. I didn't realize you had such a potty mouth. My stars.
Once again, people don't know what the word "troll" means, and just want to use buzz words, think they'd hurt my poor little feelings.
You two are really silly.
Adam Reese:
eMexico is considered Anti-EDEN because Poland, Spain and Croatia, even Italy invade the country and stole their money.
But they aren't PHX because Hungary, Serbia, and other Europeans countries leave Mexico in hands of EDEN when Mexico was invaded by this 4 EDEN Countries. Brazil, Argentina, Frnace, and Indonesia are their only PHX Allies of Mexico.
And USA is just one more country for us.
I don't see how that detracts from my opinion, Yhamilitz. I'm just saying President Uncle Sam invaded eMexico for fun, and ATLANTIS became EDEN over time, so it's only natural for eMexico to hold an anti-EDEN mentality.
As for the Phoenix matter, you stated it yourself.
I think the vast majority of this is a fair, accurate article. The main emphasis here really should be on the "3 groups" thing near the start. This is my main concern. I find it incredibly strange for people to move to a country permanently, and then keep avatars relating to their old countries. Have any of you guys ever seen me with an eUK avatar on? No. Heck, a lot of you probably didn't even know I was there.
Oh, and with regards to this:
"He think about us,but he dont know that we now have kiwi squad,first NZ army!
I promise you,if some country attack NZ-we will defend our new home!!! "
If you guys have been setting up things like this, how come you don't tell anybody about it? Wouldn't it be best to get involved with the community? Post articles? Ideally I'm sure there could be a Serbian-language branch of the NZDF with the same orders but different officers.
Oh and excuse the triple post, but there are a few more RL kiwis around in here. Crusadercarl, Gray Salmond, Carr De Vaux and me (Spud of Doom) are New Zealanders. I think there are a handful more, but they're probably inactive types/2-clickers.
Spud, is that avatar an eNew Zealand avatar? No? Then change it before making such statements.
Not everyone has to show patriotism to a fake country. Let them keep their avatars, and say what they want to say.
It's their actions you should be concerned about. I shouldn't have to tell you that, but then again, you shouldn't say such things in the first place.
You're asking them to forsake their identity and conform to satisfy the people that have been repeatedly alienating them. Why would they want to make such bigots happy?
That's what I don't get. It's like knocking somebody down to the ground, and then offering a hand to help them back up. It's insane.
Also, as I've said before, I don't see the reason to connect real New Zealanders with eNew Zealanders. The only similarities are the name and location. Name another similarity.
I was born in eSerbia, but later defected to the eUSA. I've lived in many Pheonix countries. I know how they think.
This is a PTO. I'll give the details in my Newspaper when I get my NZ citizenship.
" That's what I don't get. It's like knocking somebody down to the ground, and then offering a hand to help them back up. It's insane. "
i thought Chetan has explained his intention with bold words in his article. it is not insane.
I was born in eSerbia, but later defected to the eUSA. I've lived in many Pheonix countries. I know how they think.
This is a PTO. I'll give the details in my Newspaper when I get my NZ citizenship.
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Said eUSA PTOer with eRussian citizenship after fail at elections...
roflmao
Ramad, they're not bold words. It's hypocrisy. You don't ask people to give fealty to the country that's trying to antagonize and demonize them.
Who in their right mind would do that?