[Poland] Few words about polish statement from polish ambassador
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by Cerberus69
Hello friends
I am writing this article concerning statement of the Polish Government regarding MPP with Ukraine. That official information from polish side has created a lot of queries and question, although it was written to answer the questions about MPP-issue. I find necessary to add some words to this statement.
Why Poland refuse signing the MPP?
As we can read in official statement: the reason of our decision is the fact, that ukrainian national military forces has fought against Poland in resistance wars in French regions, because of your president’s order. Let's stop here and look at some points:
- Ukraine joined Entente on 4th of January. Poland has had nothing against that, moreover - here you can find the article, where Poland says that in our opinion partnership like Entete is good step in Ukrainian path to neutrality. We did not chang our mind.
- Poland started to occupy French territories not on this month but earlier. Earlier our countries did not have problems like that. Why? Because, by polish-ukrainian agreement, your army did not receive orders to fight against Poland in RWs. You were helping France
by fighting in battles against Spain, and situation generally was clear, without problems or misunderstandings.
- Some of you wrote below polish article comments like "
That’s why Poland refused MPP with Ukraine:
That’s why Russia refused MPP with Ukraine:
In that case Poland has nothing against ukrainian military operations:
What has changed in ukrainian-polish relations?
Ukraine has sent national army to fight agains Poland. It has hurt us, because our relations were very good and we used to look at Ukraine as a friendly country. These are the facts.
But it does not mean, that Poland will stop cooperating with Ukraine. It does not mean, that you became our enemies... We remember:
- History of our partnership is long, only this month that kind of situation took place.
- Not all Ukrainians have fought against Poland.
- Majority of Ukrainians want to be friends and allies with Poland, including your current government (!).
We never wanted the war with Ukraine and we do not want it now. We still would like to see Ukraine as our friend. Because of your operations, we cannot sign Mutual Protection Pact with you, and of course if you don’t stop actions like that, our relations will get worse. It is natural.
But if you stop choosing Poland as a worse ally, and the next presidental elections in Ukraine will be won by the candidate, who is eager to empower our friendship - ukrainian-polish relationships can be rebuilt, we are pretty sure about that. Poland hopes, that you will choose that way.
So do not forget: We belive in you, Ukraine!
Cerberus69
Polish ambassador to Ukraine
I am writing this article concerning statement of the Polish Government regarding MPP with Ukraine. That official information from polish side has created a lot of queries and question, although it was written to answer the questions about MPP-issue. I find necessary to add some words to this statement.
Why Poland refuse signing the MPP?
As we can read in official statement: the reason of our decision is the fact, that ukrainian national military forces has fought against Poland in resistance wars in French regions, because of your president’s order. Let's stop here and look at some points:
- Ukraine joined Entente on 4th of January. Poland has had nothing against that, moreover - here you can find the article, where Poland says that in our opinion partnership like Entete is good step in Ukrainian path to neutrality. We did not chang our mind.
- Poland started to occupy French territories not on this month but earlier. Earlier our countries did not have problems like that. Why? Because, by polish-ukrainian agreement, your army did not receive orders to fight against Poland in RWs. You were helping France
by fighting in battles against Spain, and situation generally was clear, without problems or misunderstandings.
- Some of you wrote below polish article comments like "
😉o not be like Russia! :<". All we remember situation in Germany and Russian reaction for it. In my opinion, this situations are quite diffrent. Instead of explaining, I draw it for you
😁
That’s why Poland refused MPP with Ukraine:
That’s why Russia refused MPP with Ukraine:
In that case Poland has nothing against ukrainian military operations:
What has changed in ukrainian-polish relations?
Ukraine has sent national army to fight agains Poland. It has hurt us, because our relations were very good and we used to look at Ukraine as a friendly country. These are the facts.
But it does not mean, that Poland will stop cooperating with Ukraine. It does not mean, that you became our enemies... We remember:
- History of our partnership is long, only this month that kind of situation took place.
- Not all Ukrainians have fought against Poland.
- Majority of Ukrainians want to be friends and allies with Poland, including your current government (!).
We never wanted the war with Ukraine and we do not want it now. We still would like to see Ukraine as our friend. Because of your operations, we cannot sign Mutual Protection Pact with you, and of course if you don’t stop actions like that, our relations will get worse. It is natural.
But if you stop choosing Poland as a worse ally, and the next presidental elections in Ukraine will be won by the candidate, who is eager to empower our friendship - ukrainian-polish relationships can be rebuilt, we are pretty sure about that. Poland hopes, that you will choose that way.
So do not forget: We belive in you, Ukraine!
🙂
Cerberus69
Polish ambassador to Ukraine
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all those RWs was on the native French territories. doesn't matter what country keeps them they are still french. we didn`t fight against ePolland we were fight for eFrance - our Entente ally.
eFrance has two (2) high wood territories why not to make some diplomacy between eFrance and ePolland like eIndia and eUSA did?
hey mister ambassador i swear that if one of our ally will att you - we will fight for you and we will not stay "neutral" as you wish it now
Thank you for explaining your position. I think that figures clearly show the difference between two situations. I hope that we would be able to reconcile our differences in the near future.
ой віджил, а ти від імені кого пишеш?)
>>> ой віджил, а ти від імені кого пишеш?)
Я, вроде, своим именем подписался, в отличие от БанкаУА 🙂
Nice design but I'm afraid you lack in knowledge of some basic facts.
1)Situation with Germany has nothing in common with signing MPPs. It was some sort of question when we were talking about Slavic Union long time ago.
2)Main reason why Russia didn't sign MPP with exUkraine government because exUkraine government signed two more additional Eden MPP's and other actions. Imagine situation that Ukraine has 4 Phoenix MPPs and no EDEN and has proPhoenix government - would Poland sign it ? I doubt it very much.
3) Unlike Poland, France and Ukraine have not just MPPs - they are in one block Entente. If let's say Finland was in Entente and Russia would occupy Finland and Ukraine would fight against Russia in Finland, we would accept it. We wouldn't start hysteria like Poland.
4) And we would never say something like that : "if you don’t stop actions like that, our relations will get worse. It is natural.
But if you stop choosing Poland as a worse ally, and the next presidental elections in Ukraine will be won by the candidate, who is eager to empower our friendship - ukrainian-polish relationships can be rebuilt, we are pretty sure about that.
5)let's be frank and honest - EDEN is losing this war and Poland is losing high-resource land => Poland get mad about that => there is Ukraine with some high resources and tought relationships with neighbours (as Poland think, which is untrue) => why not take it ?
Poland expect that Russia is not going to protect Ukraine due to quarrel with previous Ukraine government. I want to assure you that if "Ukraine-Poland relationships get worse and worse", Russia is ready to protect Ukraine. Yes, Poland has top damage at the moment but 2-3 MPPs with top states would neutralize it and Poland couldn't into Podolia.
@BankUA
maybe I'm quite 'antique', but I would like to speak with citizens, not organizations... 🙂
Viva la France! Free eFrance!
I and others gamers are going to help eFrance in future.
well im "ObserverUA" but as you may know all eBuissnes built on organizations.
Віджил - я про "ми"
давайте развалим гнилую епольшу
>>> Віджил - я про "ми"
Мы — украинцы и поляки. Могу я надеяться, что мы нормализуем отношения, или нет? Не понимаю, что тебя смущает в моей фразе.
@MAKCUM_KAMMEPEP
1) It's an official veriosn. only official.
2) We have nothing against ukrainian partnership with another countries, no matter EDEN or Phoenix.
3) You are saying, that polish-ukrainian relations is "only MPP" and telling me about lack in knowlegde? 😉
4) Everybody can read in the article, why we should to say it.
5) You suggest, that you know better what Poland want than we? 😁
Poland don't want into Podolia
уже нічого, дякую
@Cerberus69
>Poland don't want into Podolia
Mr. Ambassador, why?
true, voted.
in fact, Ukraine is under russian PTO now.
poland go home
yufan , any proofs?
@cerberus
//It's an official veriosn. only official.
No, it's just real reason. Question of Germany was in November, we stopped MPP just month ago. You showed your lack of knowledge of Russian-Ukrainian relationships - I corrected you. Nothing else 😁
//We have nothing against ukrainian partnership with another countries, no matter EDEN or Phoenix.
you disproved it with this hysteria
//You are saying, that polish-ukrainian relations is "only MPP"
I'm saying that Ukraine in alliance with France, not Poland. So it's natural that France-Ukraine relationships are more important than Poland-Ukraine. If Ukraine was in EDEN you could act like this.
//Everybody can read in the article, why we should to say it.
Bad excuse, IMO.
//Poland don't want into Podolia
Yes sure 🙂
Thx, Mr. Ambassador, i hope that our good relationship will improve under next eUkrainian president.
" Poland get mad about that => there is Ukraine with some high resources and tought relationships with neighbours (as Poland think, which is untrue) => why not take it ?"
троллим потихоньку? этот вариант безусловно был бы выгоден определенным силам в Украине и России, но суждено ему остаться лишь мечтами тех, кто хотел бы прибрать нашу страну под крылышко Феникса по-дешевке.
"If let's say Finland was in Entente and Russia would occupy Finland and Ukraine would fight against Russia in Finland, we would accept it. We wouldn't start hysteria like Poland."
извини, пустые слова. мы уже на практике убеждались, что волна нечистот поднимаемая и по более скромным поводам в этом случае рискует превратиться в цунами.
Poland, don't touch us! We aren't glad for you. Go home!
//троллим потихоньку?
Констатируем очевидные вещи, не более.
//суждено ему остаться лишь мечтами
Поживем - увидем. "Лишь мечтами" считали, что США могут напасть на Францию или что Польша откажется от МПП.
// волна нечистот поднимаемая и по более скромным поводам
Теми, кто хотел бы прибрать вашу страну под крылышко Эдена по дешевке, да. Но причем тут Россия ?
Хахаха🙂) Статья должна называться геополитика для чайников. Voted xDD
Voted
Thanks for the article, I think it will help our citizens understand the situation. I hope to develop friendly relations between our countries.
Voted!
Voted!
I also have a picture that shows how exactly Poland feels in this case: http://www.armyofmom.com/uploaded_images/Cartman-736881.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.armyofmom.com/uploaded_images[..]1.jpg
Voted.
Thanks for the well thought-out and balanced statement.
Voted! Thanks, pan ambassador.
clawy trololo ok
voted!
@MAKCUM_KAMMEPEP
"Question of Germany was in November"
No, it's question from about 13-18 December, I don't remember when excatly 🙂
"we stopped MPP just month ago."
month ago? interesting... 🙂
"you disproved it with this hysteria"
For us ukrainian-french partnership, also Entetna is okay. In article above our comments I gave link to our statement about it. But we can't stand if Ukraine send troops specially to fight against us - Especially if earlier Ukraine did not do it, and everything was fine.
"So it's natural that France-Ukraine relationships are more important than Poland-Ukraine."
Bingo. For us it isn't nautral 😉 Poland are not in official alliance with Ukraine, like EDEN or Entente, but it doesn't mean that polish-ukrainian partnership are worse or less important.
"Poland don't want into Podolia"
@D.M.Gocman: Friendship betweeon our nations is more important than each region.
Если Польше не нада Подолье, то нам вообще не о чем разговаривать. Единственной причиной, по которой нам нада было польское МПП - обезопасить Подолье от польского же нападения. А раз нападать они не собираются, то и МПП это нам не нада. Не понимаю, чего развели тут сопли то? МПП не показатель дружбы. Это инструмент защиты. Но так как никто на нас нападать не хочет, то и дергаться из-за этих МПП не стоит. Хватить тренировочных, а кому хочется поиграть в настоящих военных - есть разные военные формирования летающие по десантам.
Voted!
Гарна стаття, гарно викладено.
Камеррер - слабенька спроба. непереконливо.
Heil Entente!
Free France!
Unfortunately, the Entente is dead. And shouts of heil will not cause the resurrection of the corpse from the grave.
Cerberus69 каже, що еПольща вважає дружбу з еУкраїною за будь-який регіон.
На що Geka: "Если Польше не нада Подолье, то нам вообще не о чем разговаривать. Единственной причиной, по которой нам нада было польское МПП - обезопасить Подолье от польского же нападения. А раз нападать они не собираются, то и МПП это нам не нада."
Ви зрозуміли? Польський амбасадор нам про дружбу твердить, а Жека робить висновок: а, то значить ви не нападете? Ну тоді я, Жека, посилаю вас гуляти лісом із вашою дружбою.
Є загальноприйнята логіка, є жіноча логіка (кажуть), а тут бачимо логіку Жеки, найдивовижнішу з усіх {LOL}
vingaer yesterday
z radosną przejażdżką po ukrainie jest jeszcze jeden problem z naszej strony mocy i nosi imię rumunia zaś podolię uważa za swój region rdzenny 😉. rumuni co przwda nie siedzą już w ukraińskim kongresie, ale dalej mają sporo obywatelstw i nadaktywnego 🙂 ambasadora. jakiekolwiek wtrącanie się w sprawy ukrainy uważają za wtrącanie się w sprawy rumunii.
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