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I would suggest to add names or parties to the vote tallies, because now it are just numbers that can't be done much with 😛

I would suggest to keep the articles neutral. References to forum are biassed and don't fit the neutral CoC position. Also there have been no votes. Something you very well know so here also it's implying matters that are not the case with the clear goal to undermine current way of working of congress. Refrain from that to prevent any suggestion you are biassed and will do anything to return to that outdated and, for the eNL community, not functioning forum.
If you can't do that you will likely face a MonC very soon...

https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-congress-deputy-chairman-of-congress-as-a-requirement-2694447/1/20
this was voted upon wasn't it?

also a CoC is still allowed to have a mind of his own as far as i'm aware, and it is a fact that if the debates/votes had happened on forum all of it would have been preserved.

I appreciate the effort in archiving things, because we all talk about how we can use the forum for that but has not been done properly at all times. But I also agree you shouldn't make such remarks in brackets in CoC-articles. But of course you have an own opinion that you can converse literally everywhere else and please do so, it would be way too boring if that didn't happen!

I still remember CoC article literally calling out three names and dishonesting them using these very news. The case displayed above seems in comparison to be of much, much, much lesser offence - though neutrality in CoC position should be always a top priority, and personal opinions should not be displayed in official articles.

Ah yes, that vote was done indeed and is not in my messages indeed. Thought you meant another one at first.
You are ofc free to have an opinion. As CM that is. As CoC you ought to be neutral. So if you have issues with how things work post an article to debate it for CM odan. If you don’t you should shut up about this matter.

I'm not giving an opinion i'm stating a simple fact. if you have a problem with that, that's fine but not my problem.

You state no facts as on forum also things were lost (=deleted or misplaced or placed in hidden sections etc). So stating it would not happen there is an opinion, not a fact. Also no one that played the real game alone (roughly 75% of the population) ever knew voting results as they were all hidden on forum for them.

deleted = can be recovered.
misplaced = can be moved
hidden = some sections are only visible if you are in gov/congress/party.

that same 75% that don't read papers feed etc.

Opinions are not facts, odan. Learn to distinguish between those two, or atleast try to do so. Otherwise you are no better than third-grade populist.

I read, at the very least, all top news articles in the feed. But I would not go to the forum for vote results. So where, exactly, do I fit into your '75%'? I hate fake statistics. If you're going to put numbers on things, please make them accurate. Thank you.

Well odan, I for one never visited forum on discussions let alone votes. Now it's all in game I do read and know what's going on. And that's the case with a lot of players.
And sure matters can be restored or searched. By less than a handfull of players, but one needs to know they are there in the first place. Plus it's simply denied a threat was there when asked as I experienced first hand. Not to mention all hidden part of forum that most never will know off.

No matter how you look at it: doing matters in-game makes much more people know and be involved. I know you don't like that but that's what you call a fact.

you stopped visiting for a while. but the 1217 posts you made say that you visited forum quite a lot in the time you were in erepublik.

and yes only a handful of people have that power, if everybody had the power to (un)delete things it would be a mess.

no idea what threat you are talking about.

and yes parts will always be invisible for some people. private congress section, private gov section, private party sections. even the admins have a private section.

all pretty normal and still being done to this day, gov still communicates within gov privately, congress still has private debates. I assume your party also has private conversations, or will you start to include any willing person into private convo's with vn members?

we still see all the same faces in politics, faces that visited forum, all current congress members this term also have forum accounts. The forum where unless maliciously deleted (and even then 99.99% likely recoverable.) every debate/vote from 2008 onward is still around. also nobody stopped gov/congress to publish in the past.

Yes odan I did. Say about 2 years being active in gov and congress. Until it was very clear it was really rotten out there and only frustrating thx to a handful of players. And ofc there are some hidden discussions. But there is no denying it is much more in the open now and we don't have people dictating matters any more due to having administrator rights or the option to interpret laws the way they want. After "decades" (eRep time) of being captured in all those made up stuff a successful turnaround is been made. We're not there yet but luckily away from those dark times now as is proven by a rise in activity on all fronts.

"or you wish to open up a new debate, please send a pm to the CoC team (so both people please), and we will see what can be done."

... well, only one think can be legally done, and that is to open the debate. Writing it in a way you did does not suggest good things - so refrain from using "unclear" expressions like these in the future articles.

going extreme to make a point:
so if someone were to request a debate forcing gov to post pornographic pictures in every gov article, CoC team needs to open that debate?

That's against eRepublik rules, so if someone wants to be banned proposing that, he can be my guest 🙂 . Though, seeing some of the latest proposals about raspberries and pancakes, nothing would surprise me... either way, CoC is just a "tool", he should not be the one banning proposals, because he does not like them. Been there, done that, not good.

since a debate would have to be opened by the CoC he would then also face banning since he needs to post the stuff to the erep servers...

Not my problem 😛 .

Either way, all proposals must be recognized, no matter how terrible, that is the rule. Else we could face political abuse from biased CoC's selecting only proposals they fit with their agenda. Which would be the end of our democracy.

I would say this is a grey area. The CoC has some authority in interpreting and managing matters. In 99% of the cases in which there is at least some political-juridical context he should not mess with the intended proposal at all. That 1% would for example be voting on the name of green or red berets, because it didn't seem like an intended proposal sent to the CoC (but maybe it was in a PM).

I have come to butt my head with odan on this many, many times and I still hold it against him that some motions of myself were blocked because of 'this is not compatible with laws' etc but I can think of very, very rare cases where CoC can modify or block proposals. Of course, if there are even a handful of people in Congress wanting it to happen, Chairman should take his appropriate position and step back..