Irish Army:The Stats lie and supplies is incorrect
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by Releasethe Krakken
First off the reason I placed this isnt because of discontent but merely a concern I have.
Seanan can you please verify your information. This is what I accomplished yesterday
To confirm further:
It was done in 2 surges when i completed the first one I was at 300 kills . The Battle for the DO. After I completed the 500th kill I looked on the MU page at what my stats sai😛
25 kills. Today I looked again 25 kills. I got 9 Q7 WEPS and 4 IEP but bought on my own 140 Q7 WEPS and spend 1500 IEP or something like that . Furthermore I used 70 GOLD. Massive effort rewarded with sub par rewards IMO.
Somewhere something must be totally screwed up for me to get 1 less Q7 WEP and a measly 4 IEP.
PLEASE KEEP TROLLING TO A MINIMUM : CONCERN NOT AN ATTACK.
After Seanan and Coleman's comments I checked my stats on eGov which is totally incorrect. It shows my hits per Q7 WEP damage as 11,949 per hit. Of course they took the average which would gives an inaccurate result if I hit say 50 one hitters and had 30 Q7 WEPS full opponents my Q7 hit damage for the weak opponent 4000 would be less than my Q7 hit for the Strong Opponent 38000. Also as pointed out I used some weps think 3 small bombs and 2 Big bombs this was added to my overall damage of the day which stood at 24 million. So a Small Bombs damage is added to the total influence which they divide by your avg Q7 WEP damage giving an inaccurate result.
So we need 100 hit for 10 WEPS. I must test that theory later when my energy is full.
Ok I will check the accuracy of the stats
http://www.egov4you.info/citizen/history/4882110 for my records.
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One second and I'll get your profile up my screen; I'm currently supplying at the moment, I'll lose my place if I stop. o7
ok got to run anyway i will check in here later
On Day 2060 you performed 2070 Q7 tank kills (i.e. total influence / by your max hit ~ 24,734,120 / 11,949). However its only today (Day 2061) egov4you would update your stats for Day 2060, hence you have received the full supply today.
On Day 2060 you were supplied by LO Ian E Coleman for the Q7 tank hits you performed on Day 2059 (which was 89 Q7 tank hits, hence 9 Q7 tanks and 4 IEP). Supplies work based on your previous day activity, for example, I have no idea what damage you perform today - but tomorrow when egov4you updates, I will.
I've not came across a bug in egov4you before, but if you could check and say if this information is incorrect: http://www.egov4you.info/citizen/history/4882110
The old system form had a method of troops passing on feedback - which this system lacks, but I believe we can repurpose the old supply form for that. Some of the criticisms I can see is delay/missing records of workers who enroll in the Supply Structure - and the inability to horde Q7 tanks for a big push. The Daily Strikes can help, if a player takes part in a Strike and uses only the amount of tanks given by the Supply Structure, they will have gained +5 Q7 tanks that is an insensitive to join the Strikes if members want to horde Q7 tanks.
However, couple of ideas floating around about how to sort that issue. Set up exchanges of IEP supply for Tank Supply - or IOU's giving a bulk of future supply with requirements to reach a certain damage threshold and removal of Daily Supply until IOU repaid. Something along those lines.
RTK, the supply system made no mistake in this case. The supplies you receive today are for yesterday's statistics. July 11th's supplies were done quite late by myself because I had a busy day. As a result you may last have received 9Q7s and 4cc based on July 10th stats.
You haven't yet been supplied for July 12th (yesterday's) stats.
edit: You haven't yet been supplied for **July 11th** (yesterday's) stats.
But ya basically what Seanan said. Sit tight anyway, things are in order.
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massively confusing: as stated yesterday i had 500 kills and at-least 12 million in damage as I also completed the damage quest.
It's not confusing.
- You will receive 10Q7 (Maximum supply) for yesterday (Day 2060). This is the day that you have screenshots of in this article.
- You received from me 9Q7s for Day 2059. This was because your tank stat was 89, which I rounded up to 9.
its inaccurate check my last paragraph
I'll have to send you a pm to explain the system we use. Unless you disagree that you deserve maximum supply for your efforts yesterday, I think you'll find that the system is working fine.
you mean the day before yesterday, yesterday i hit the 2000 hits
I mean what I say lad. Day 2060 is yesterday. You did 2000 hits yesterday and are owed 10Q7 today.
so give it to me lad! if you give it to me after your 10'o clock i am already asleep and will only receive it the next day leading to confusemints(and they only sound tasty)
You are supplied today based on the damage you did yesterday.
You've been supplied 10 Q7 tanks today because yesterday you did over 100 hits with a Q7 tank.
The system works on your previous day stats.
If you use a Q7 tank 100 times today, tomorrow you will be sent 10 Q7 tanks.
Does that make is clearer?
And today you have been supplied by myself. So everything owed has been sent.
ok see i have but no notice. anyways i will check how accurate the system is.
It's a good idea for anyone who's unsure to check their tank stat on egov (it works on the same codes as your citizen profile). You'll notice that the statistics are not updated to the current day, but to yesterday (in relationship to whenever you're looking at it) - this reflects the way the "auto" supplies are done.
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this is what happens when we don't have a proper scandal to argue about round here : P
i am still working through a 500 page report by kurgan that implicates you in a massive scam. ta da. wait why does it say grianne to the bottom . grianne gave me homework fu granny
He only stopped at 500 because he'd used up his crayons
Why you talk about crayons as a bad and sinister things...i love my crayons
all this supllies problems are caused because fck you...that's why.....
Clearly Sweet is involved in this scandal.....PLUNDAAAAAAAAARRRRR!
eGov never had 100% accurate dmg statistics. Few times when I get BH I was checking for statistics of that day and it's always show me less dmg from that day. Few times I've seen more dmg than I actually did. All in all, if you want 100% accuracy eGov is worthless!!!
Indeed, expect its the most accurate tool readily available without members acquiring pulse. It could be 50% accurate and still be more useful than not having the tool.
In this case, the system has been accurate, simply misunderstanding of the supply system; in my reply, I've stated the drawbacks we've came across during the new system.
On the Edit:
The damage you do against a weak and strong opponent has no bearing on your overall influence. If you are paired against a weaker opponent, it means you might kill him with 1 hit. A stronger opponent might take 3 hits. But the number of hits is times by your "Influence per Q7 hit". So you will use 10 health on a weak player, and 30 health on a stronger opponent, but you will do 3x the influence by defeating the 3-hit player than the 1-hit player.
Your "Influence per Q7 hit" is calculated based on your strength and rank, its not an average. The "Tank" hits is an estimation, not an exact science - and that serves the purposes intended. Saying its inaccurate is a misleading negative, because when using a Q7 tank, you will never be able to do less influence than your "Influence per Q7 hit" on any given day - you can't be short changed in this system (even if you're fighting inbetween days at Change Over). If you use a rocket/bazooka/bombs, Yes - your total influence will increase your "tank hits" even if you never used a Q7 tank - The purpose of the supply is to help increase damage output.. in your example, if you had just used bombs and no tanks what so ever, if there was an equation which could calculate that you never used a Q7 tank, you wouldn't have gotten any. And given Q7 tank supply is more desirable, its not very encouraging to fight and give more influence if we're selecting against using rockets and bombs.
The accuracy for "tank hits" isn't 100%, but it doesn't need to be - it will say the maximum amount of Q7 tanks which could have been used. If you only use 9 Q7 tanks, you will get 9 Q7 tanks. If you used 9 Q7 tanks and a rocket, you'd probably get 10 Q7 tanks - but in no situation would you use 9 Q7 tanks and get given 8. I've never seen egov be buggy with data, but even if its assumed to be the case, your comments actually don't point to the drawbacks of the system - I've given them in my first comment.
A single Q7 tank has 10 hits. Not "10 presses of the Fight Button". Some opponents might take 2 hits, meaning a single Q7 tank would be used after pressing the Fight button 5 times. If a player took 5 hits, it would take two clicks of the Fight button to use a single Q7 tank. In both cases, the overall influence would be the same.
The drawbacks are that you can't horde Q7 tanks for big pushes, you can't for example not fight and get given 10 Q7 tanks like you could before. But thats something which can be overcome with a bit of tweaking, certainly isn't to do with the accuracy though. With every change, there are concerns which pop up and those are helpful in progressing.
The end objective here is that you get given as many tanks as you use, or the equivalent based on the damage you do. Be that daily usage or horde and blaze of glory.
Still building consensus around the topic - understand that you could require a tonne of Q7 tanks on a single day, but none at all the rest of the week. If you fought daily for a week, by the end of the week you'd have been given 70 Q7 tanks - but if you fought only once a week using 70 Q7 tanks, you would have received 10 Q7 tanks and 240 IEP - which at best would buy 27 Q7 tanks. Hypothetically, both styles will have done the same amount of damage - but one method equivalents to less tanks, which is obviously something which needs overcoming and without a doubt I'm seeing members giving ideas.
Like looking at monthly averages, and minimum tank supply (i.e. everyone gets 5 Q7 tanks, then it increases if they actually fight).
Also egov doesn't actually measure your damage, it measures your increase in rank point. This means that damage by big bombs, small bombs and rockets do not count towards your 'damage' on egov.
My head hurts.
at this moment i am just wondering what favours uljanov did since his 500 killed showed mine didnt
Now RTK, your 24 million damage did show and you were supplied the max supply for it. And today, you'll get 7 tanks and 12 IEP for the 800k / 67 Tank hits you performed yesterday.
Myself and Ian have given you a full explanation which should have answered all your concerns - Your concern was based on a misunderstanding, which has been addressed. Talk of "favoura" is just being rude - if you thoroughly read the original article I published on the system and these comments, there is no reason for doubt. The system which in place hasn't been inaccurate.
i hit 1.4 million yesterday what the eff is going on here? and i was referring to the game stats little miss.
If you used bombs or rockets, SAP says it doesn't show on egov. Potentially the 800k refers to the tanks you used and/or bazookas. I had thought bombs and rockets showed on egov, but apparently not, which makes it more relevant to supplying as we're looking at tank usage.
what he meant was that bombs and rockets do show and adds to your count! there is no way i did 24 million damage with Q7 WEPS alone I'm good but I'm not Chuck Norris yet!
No I was saying Bombs and Rockets don't show, although Bazookas do.
i was just kidding with you anyway i remembered afterwards that i got stopped on 750000 in the Do which was enough. but deleting comments now looks like you cursed the fellow hectic and then deleted it later.
The responsible thing would have been to delete this article once you'd realized you'd made a mistake.
Seanan was away with RL and so I was doing supplies for about four days. If I'm doing supplies I'm going to do it when it's convenient for me - why? Because I'm volunteering my time and effort for your benefit.
Comments I've deleted are A) to re-write confusing wording/errors 😎 because your attitude is getting on my nerves but ultimately I'd prefer not to make this personal.
Again though, note: I don't work for you, this is not my profession, therefore don't test the limits of my "professionalism". That goes for the rest of you whiners too. 😉
you wanted the responsibility if what you call whiners bother you quit and gave back the gold you received for the q7 weps factory if you received it.
I don't own any Q7 factories and I've never received any gold from the IA. I'm literally a free volunteer.
It isn't the responsibility that I want, all that I want is to help out. I'm not indebted to you or anyone else.
others raised similar concerns. certainly we can investigate stuff cant we. and anyway if you checked the first line of my article you would see it was not an attack on anyone. so no need to argue on a article that is not displayed anymore.
Everyone is free to say and think as they like, but I don't have to agree with it or pretend to like it either. The title of this article is sensationalist and misinformed, as is the substance.
If you want to investigate something, start by talking to the people who actually know something about it BEFORE you publish an article. Even if you had the best intentions when you wrote it, this article served no purpose other than to confuse people.
Like I said, I don't want to make this personal, you're one of the IA's best soldiers and a long standing eIrish citizen. But I can't help but take it personally when you don't show the trust or courtesy of bringing your concerns to me BEFORE making your misunderstanding a public issue (especially when there is no real issue).
my title was not totally wrong i was of course referring ti in game stats which didnt credit the kills and which pisses a lot of people off. yes perhaps there is a misunderstanding but others raised similar concerns . so this gave us all an opportunity to discuss the matter. Are you Mr. Senisitive or whatever I didnt even name you in the article and merely said I thoiught i got too few supplies.
nice weather we're having at the moment ...don't you think?
we are closing in on our final official month of winter and its a nice 25 degrees celcius here.
Think I'll climb a mountain with the dog this morning.