Crossing The Rubicon And Other Stories...
HebronGazelle
Well, honestly, I did not expect to be writing an article which includes some of the things I will include today. I've had a very unusual experience over the past few days which has shown me how one "powerful" member of the eUK thinks. Based on what they have said I am very worried about what could happen in the eUK over following weeks and months. I guess you guys will just want to see what I am talking about.
Converation Between Me And King Willy
The whole conversation is pretty interesting, although the last few messages are what I hope people focus their attention to. We were both probably getting interested (I don't know the right word to use here) in the conversation and it brought a lot out of King Willy which I was always waiting to hear. I asked him to let members of his party know why he's excluded them but after talking to one today it seems that hasn't happened. I'll talk more about the messages below, and I urge everyone to read them.
My Reaction
I'm not exactly sure what to say really. He believes the government that allowed racial segregation, abuse and discrimination to happen to a whole country is better than the current South African government. I don't know how anyone could think this unless they believed the apartheid was right, but you'd have to be an extremely racist person to believe that. I don't quite understand.
He's also decided that it is perfectly fine to exclude someone from getting involed if he believes they are a "bit of a nuisance", or because they don't agree with the leaders opinions. If those were actual reasons for exclusion then Congress would a perfectly acceptable reason to remove him from Congress. I think he is trying to get Congress to remove him.
He's admitted that he bribed people and that it was wrong. At least we got somewhere. He didn't get as far as an apology to UKPP members as he thinks corruption isn't a big deal, but then that would fit in with his apartheid views.
He also decided to put shame on himself twice, cross a rubicon and skirt around people calling him Ajay. I've never even referred to him as Ajay before but he managed to bring it up twice in the conversation which does make me wonder.
It was a strange conversation, and from reading those messages you have probably realised I don't think this guy is sane enough to run a political party. But then, it's only my opinion, and one guy can't change a country, can he?
Comments
I'll just enlarge the image.
It was one giant image but it was really small so I split it into 3 images but my OCD is making me hate it. I hope you guys enjoy!
5 images makes it look fine. Peace has been restored!
http://prntscr.com/7l8dmd
HOLY APARTHAID. Jesus christ, He really is an EXTREMELY RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN. Lol no wonder you are too extreme for Mitt Romney's campaign Willy xD
Also, Endorsed, because Ajay mentioned my article 😉
Sadly he won't change. I don't like it one bit. Such a corrupt and awful person heading up what should be a engaging opposition. I can only hope that he gets banned, leaves or gets overthrown before further damage is done.
I fear that the eUK will never truly be whole - or able to destroy Argentina until this is done .
sounds fun
I blame Mandela!
http://i.imgur.com/zBYbJM1.gif
Way to edit out some of what I said with "troll" and leave out my LAST REPLY.
I said I do NOT favor racial discrimination, and I explained my reasons.... The negatives of now outweigh the negatives of then.
South Africa WAS
1. A cold war ally.
2. Had good policies on issues like life and marriage.
3. Sensible fiscal policies
It now has
1. A corrupt polygamist as President
2. Led by the socialist ANC with allies like communists on their side too.
3. Is a dangerous place in many spots and in cities you are advised not to be out after dark.
but to be honest, they don't have apartheid anymore, which is a huge positive. Also sorry, I forgot how easy it was to edit screenshots xD
What did I edit?
Oh, and what good issues on life? Like if you weren't white you weren't human? Damn, that's an amazing policy... not...
I've also decided to make a youtube video of the message:
https://youtu.be/W9WjacwBdsI
But oh, that must all be edited, right?
(Excuse me using that horrible recorder and having the TV on in the background)
I am referring to the barbaric murder of unborn children; sanctioned by the state.
Wait. Is that what I edited? Or what you think the good policies in the apartheid were?
And I don't think you can phrase abortion in a way which makes it worse than the apartheid.
Claiming abortion is barbaric murder is a bit weird IMO.
I mean really my sperm cells are all unborn babies, so if I masturbate I've killed what, a few million babies maybe?
Interesting.
You disgust me Rob
UKPP WAS
1. A nice place to be
2. Had good policies on things like congressional candidates and inclusion
3. Sensible leadership (mostly, we'll forget the Proud and Horny Americans and the whole PN resignation thing)
It now has
1. A corrupt exclusionist as a President
2. Led by the totalitarianist Prince Will.I.Am with allies like Dapper on his side too
3. Is a dangerous place if you don't have lots of gold and/or sockpuppets to buy yourself elections
Oh, and... http://i.imgur.com/1Ox5feX.png
King William of Rhodesia would be a more appropriate title, I think.
I'm "a bit of a nuisance"? Good!!!
I'd take it as a compliment, Neil. I certainly am doing, and apparently I'm a troll 😉
thats probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said about you in an article mate.
take it and run neil.
I would suggest Apartheid is just a red herring and there is an argument for saying whether King William is Ajay Bruno or not is irrelevant.
The issue therefore could rest on the following questions:-
1. Is King William the legitimate representation of the UKPP?
2. Are King William and by his choices UKPP Congressmen a threat to the security of the eUK?
In respect of question 1 -
Irrespective of who voted for whom - King William is the game mechanics recognised PP. However, if the senior long term members of UKPP do not recognise the leadership of King William then there is a very strong argument for not recognising his actions or anything he claims as PP. Historically BigAnt was not recognised as the legitimate PP of TUP a year ago, nor was the preceding DC dominated TUP Congress list regarded as a genuine reflection of the wishes of TUP.
In respect of question 2 -
Turning the clock back to about this time last year, despite the fact New Era was issuing CS passes month after month to Serbs there were many who didn't realise the full danger of what was happening until BigAnt said "thank you very much" and stomped off with nearly all eUK's money.
Now fortunately Congress cannot issue CS passes but the Congressional Committees and decisions of Congress can be altered by who is chosen to represent UKPP.
We recently had the proposal to exclude King William from Congress.
However, the problem here is his selected UKPP members were allowed to vote. This by definition is accepting him as UKPP PP and the Congressmen he selected.
The reality is - if UKPP Congressmen are casting votes contrary to the wishes of their party and with the aim of undermining the eUK then they must be regarded as a threat to the Country and action taken.
There doesn't appear at first hand an easy solution unless King William gets bored and leaves.
I think it may well come down to having Congress removed and the Government enforcing emergency rule.
I tried to tackle your first question in my last non-ESO article. In the end it came down to us having no way of telling what proportion of UKPP support him when we have people on both sides buying votes, importing voters and possibly using multis. A possible solution would be to hold an unofficial vote using gdocs but that is going to come under lots of criticism (plus multis can still be used). There is no way to force people to do anything anyway under an unofficial vote.
The second one is a even harder to judge. Seeing as King Willy likes to select inactive people for Congress a lot of them wont do very much harm anyway. I can't think of any legislation at the moment that would improve the situation which couldn't easily be abused. We could have it so that if you are in the same party as someone who is being voted on to be excluded you can't vote, but that is very easy to abuse. If someone gets upset with Dapper (or anyone) then they could be kicked out, too easy to abuse.
The government could take an official stance, but we don't know what UKPP's opinions are. Problems!
So as you say, there is no easy solution. This is going to be a long and drawn out problem if King Willy keeps power in UKPP.
I think it is safe to say that the vast majority of "old" UKPP-ers (including those that have since moved on to other parties only to return to help restore some semblance of reason to the party) do not see Prince Will.I.Am as the legitimate party leader, irrespective of his victory in the PP election.
From my own perspective, I grew suspicious during his first run for PP, long before AMD's "Willygate" article, when Willy was trying to garner support for his run. I initially suspected a return of Lord London, and questioned him on his previous eRep life, though I still haven't received a satisfactory answer.
As for your second point, I see Prince Will.I.Am as a threat to the security of the UK, if not his congress. Rather, I see his choices of congressmen as a largely ineffective group (with a couple of exceptions) who offer little or nothing to whole party discussions and who rarely, if ever, publish articles. As far as I am concerned, one of the main responsibilities of a congressman is being active - visibly active, such as posting on party walls, publishing articles with relevant content and keeping the whole membership of the party informed of the goings on in congress. Of Will.I.Am's choices, there are only two that I see as being competent on that score and the rest (with the exclusion of our illustrious Party President himself) are only in it for a shiny medal.
Of course, had there been an election this month, then this would have been their opportunity to prove me wrong...
LOTS OF WORDS!!!
TL😉R:
"Willy is badmun"
"psh I knew all along he was dodgy"
"His congress is a threat to the nation"
re: In respect of question 1
Yes, in the context of game mechanics then King Will is the PP of the party. But in light of how the voting happened with apparent multis and importing of friends, then whoever won the election would so with a tarnished win - and this is true regardless of who won the election. Had Rory won, then his win too would have been tarnished.
I think one of the issues with supporting him is the way he has basically said he was entitled to use multis and outside help as his opponent was also going to do the same - hence he was entitled to use the dark art tactics in order to make sure the correct result was reached. Oh and dispite comments that he did offer bribes to people, he never cheated or used multis or anything *taps nose knowingly*
The fundamental problem is that there are clearly questions to be answered but rather than give a straight answer, questions are countered by irrelevant waffle, strawman arguments or just accusations of being disloyal.... We've not had a "argee with me or you must be a traitor to the party" person since BA although some of Lord London's were on that idea.
"The reality is - if UKPP Congressmen are casting votes contrary to the wishes of their party and with the aim of undermining the eUK then they must be regarded as a threat to the Country and action taken."
One of the main constitutional ideals of the party is that everyone has a free choice to vote how they wish, propose what they think is in the best interest of the country (in terms of congress) etc. Whoever the party officially supports in a CP for example is merely a suggestion for the two clickers for example. Only a few prior people like Big Ant insisted that people must vote for them and do what they want. In many aspects UKPP has been a party of individuals who are responsible for their own actions but will be supported by the party from bullying and harrassment. People in the party should be trusted or distrusted on their own merits.
Never expect an honest or straightforward answer from Prince Will.I.Am. Remember, he has already disregarded two points of his own PP manifesto, and completely ignores the UKPP constitution to keep him grip on power.
So throw down the gauntlet, challenge those who threaten to bring BigAnt back, call their bluff.
I actually laughed at 'insurgents'.
Voted for reminding me of my favourite book.
Tom Holland's Rubicon by any chance? One of the most readable and enjoyable history books I've ever had the pleasure of perusing.
Aye, noice guess.
Brilliant book I have to say, it really held me (a bit like a really good fiction book should).
Additionally, there is NOTHING in this article about Rome! Psh. So much for a history lesson
The Roman Empire was pretty bad at human rights too. They were chill with slavery and stuff, not the best.
One Emperor's father was a freed slave.
so ya.
😁Who continued the practice of slavery despite that. See? There are parallels in there; your obvious hypocrisy.
Why have all your supporters gone quiet? They must know you are in the wrong? Or maybe you don't have supporters?
King William is a busy man.... he doesn't have time to log into all of his *alledged* accounts in which to reply with....
yeah .. CHAPP1E's gone very quiet
god damn it Mr Knee, you're making him anxious. he might get heart attack reading your comments. :v
Nope. I am too busy correcting people who cannot spell alleged
Perhaps if you spent more time trying to sort the discontent in the party you purport to lead and less time being anally retentive about people's spelling, others might afford you some respect.
Do us all a favour and resign, William.
Your seventh reply in the message thread mentions "The Rubicon has been crossed". I presume this is where the article name came from.