The Government's Abuse of Power (Including chat log) Part One
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Mr Crumpets
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Preamble:
Earlier this evening I had written an article about how the Ranger Bob Government and how it was going okay, but failed at informing the nation accurately and with up-to-date information about PTOs.
Besides the usual trolls, I was expecting nothing much of it.
THEN, out of the blue, I got an email from an experienced player who had no links to the Green and Gold Party and to be honest, had nothing to gain from the information they would give me. In fact, I question that player why they were giving me this information.
They said... because like you I believe in doing things right for the right reasons, and I don't like tim Holtz.
They explained that... GnG had more members than ARP, so ARP members should of been asked to move rather than GnG members, so the decision was made to kick GnG out of top 5 deliberatly and Final result with no pto top 5 and no GnG was what was wanted and got by those with influence.
I will not reveal that source in the media. It is up to them and them alone to reveal themselves, if they wish.
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OK, before we paste highlights from the log, let's try and use some logic to decide if the Green and Gold Party is a PTO threat.
By convention, a PTO threat is generally seen as a player from overseas, who is backed by multies or followers who will vote together.
The aim for them is to gain control of senate to rob the country accounts, not renew MPPs, possibly impeach the President and attack a larger country who would in turn invade.
For a PTO threat to work at Senate level, the party needs its candidate list full (or almost full) of those on the same wavelength as it's leader.
Correctly, the PPA and AIP were declared PTO threats as they carried multies, who if voted in, would form a block of votes for the PTO.
HOWEVER The Green and Gold Party cannot be a PTO under this theory.
WHY? If you had ANY understanding of Game Mechanics, look at the candidates for Senate... that's what matters - they are the ones who can vote!
See some familiar names?
If elected... would FORMER PRIME MINISTER be a PTO threat?
If elected... would FORMER MBP PRESIDENT be a PTO threat?
If elected... would I, a person who helped the ANP when it got PTOed, be a PTO threat?
I see Red Back a level 46 player, alland15 a level 47 player, Mr Crocodile who ran for President in the past all listed as possible candidates.
If the Green and Gold Party was a PTO threat, then all, I repeat all would have to vote together to create mayhem. BUT that's not going to happen is it?
No way, is the likes of Miss Wolf or H.Nelson or myself going to impeach Ranger or steal from the country accounts.
So this PTO myth is BUSTED.
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The simple truth is (as will be shown in the logs) those behind the scenes had issues with Wingfield and Detroit.
The logs will show Ranger Bob was not happy with the alleged hate messaging that Detriot was doing. I asked Wingfield about this and his response was... Arthur Cole sent me a PM yesterday asking me if I'd get Detroit to stop his messaging. I rang Detroit and he agreed to stop. He really got angry about the communist bit. I know why in RL he was upset but that had to be stopped.
There is no doubt, there is a serious personality (and possibly ideology) clash between some members of the Government and some GGP members, but under convention does this make it a PTO? NO
What Ranger Bob can do is release a Government article condemning someone's view and/or actions, but disagreeing with those persons does not allow the Government to call it a Political Take Over.
Again, go back to the Logic section... is there clear evidence to show the senate candidates of the GGP would create a PTO of senate? No.
It's sad that a whole party was deemed "unfit to be elected" because the Government had issues with two members of that party.
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Here's some highlights of the chat log from last night.
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Here we see the suggestion of the murderers message. I had not see it, but from my understanding (and happy to be corrected) it was Detroit who mentioned it. I agree, not cool at all - but does it scream PTO?
Wingfield was in South Africa as part of the Americans attempt to help out the nation AGAINST the PTO. I can vouch for that. I chatted with their President Ines a quite a number of times during that period (in fact she helped with eRepublik radio).
Next bit... CP of South Africa Had3z is in the room to chat...
06:19:30:
06:19:52: Larni dusts off her old NSA Director uniform
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06:20:08: Larni nods
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Had3z isn't aware of Wingfield being a PTOer, but if he was, as shown in the logic section, there is no PTO candidates there.
You see at this point, the ATO squad are ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS. They are worried about the Party President, when they need to be looking at the CANDIDATES.
Part Two is here...
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-government-s-abuse-of-power-including-chat-log-part-two-2163144/1/20
If you can't make it for part two, again ask yourself... are Miss Wolf and H.Nelson PTOers????
Comments
The numbers don't stack up.
Yes, people don't like Wingfield and Detroit, say about them what you will as an individual, but THE PARTY is not a PTO threat as evident by the candidates... it's called using logic.
More in 30 minutes.
Ahh just fuck off.
All I want us to do is beat Chile.. I don't give a fuck what's to be said. LEAVE IT TILL AFTER WE HAVE WON!
OH NO PEOPLE DONT LIKE ME, I AM SOOOOOOOOOOO UPSET
wow trying hard aren't you guys....
didn't read it all, only the first part of the log and yep I said that. 🙂 Wingfield is a pto threat whether by his own doing or blatant stupidity. Its makes him a threat no less.
All I want us to do is beat Chile.. I don't give a fuck what's to be said. LEAVE IT TILL AFTER WE HAVE WON!
x2
Too both sides, that is...
wait... so these logs you got 'tonight' are the big thing you've been claiming to have had the last day and a half? doesn't add up CH. lol
LOL. i said in wingfields article that any second now mr crumpets would release the log pretending it's a super secret being released.
I can read you like a book mr crumpets.
ATO efforts were mainly being run and organized by me.
I made note that the GnG party is a PTO threat, most people including the government agreed and moves were made public to get them out of the top 5 along with the other PTO parties.
Everything was above board, and theres no abuse.
Trying to pretend that you have uncovered some super secret plot is just silly, there was 20+ people in the channel and we all knew the conversation could be public.
Nothing to hide here.
Watch, they will continue to desperately pretend that this was some super secret conversation in order to gain political points.
rofl.
Fact is under wingfield, GnG is a PTO threat and the admins removal of his multis this morning is a proof of that.
"If you can't make it for part two, again ask yourself... are Miss Wolf and H.Nelson PTOers????"
Nope, they are in a reputable party that has been taken over by a PTOer.
If the next 26 lines of your truncated log are just as riveting as the first, I cannot wait.
To publish the actual LOT.
Kthaxbai.
hey I thought I came across well in that log... light hearted and comical with a serious side.... there is just no impressing some people.
Again it's amazing you fail to follow the main point.
You agree that H.Nelson and Miss Wolf are not PTOers... they were up for election, so (follow me here kids cause you're really stupid) if elected that would not be a PTO would they?
Hello!!! Then again, you choose to ignore what matters.
*sigh*
Wingfield is not a PTOer, plain and simple.
and so are both Detroit and Wingfield Mr Crumpets. and Wingfield has stated in an article that he will not work with the government against the PTO.
the PP is a PTOer and he is running for election, herp derp keep them out, if you want to run for congress join a party that doesnt have a PTOer as PP, or aternatively kick wingfield out
Tim - Wingfield is not a PTOer (confirmed by the South Africans) and now I can understand him not wanting to help the Government how you guys have been acting.
"like he went on I am wondering myself"
If that is your confirmation from SA Gov you got issues....
All I want us to do is beat Chile.. I don't give a fuck what's to be said. LEAVE IT TILL AFTER WE HAVE WON!
X3
Too both sides, that is...
Yawn....
Yawn.. x2
We were asked, just by the next day the Multies were deleted, you should at least get your facts straight.
I am truly disgusted by Had3z's reply because he of all people should know that Wingfield is very far from being a PTOer. Just because he won't go with everything the government does, is it correct to call him a PTOer?
when he actively works against ATO yes Nickerball, we dont take kindly to those who work with PTOers regardless of if its on purpose or not
I have to say that when this article was pointed out to me I was interested. I know Wingfield and have had him on my cabinet. I learn to trust certain people. I don't agree with everything that Wing stands for or how Wing works with people, but as far as being a patriot to whichever chosen country he is in, I have no doubt.
Long story short: Wingfield is NO FUCKING PTO'er. I personally do not think that he has it in him. I might have it in me to PTO a country like Indo or Brazil, NOT HIM
With that said, I have been around you Aussies along time and we have worked together. I think that this is hurtful type shit that does not help countries like ours. We are constantly living in crisis, and we don't need internal crisis to destroy us from the inside out. I believe that you are dead wrong, but I am not here to interfere with your shit. I am here as someone who knows Wing, and that should stand for something, so I hope that you will at least consider my words
Wingfield for President. An honest man in a pig discusting eWorld.
I have to say that when this article was pointed out to me I was interested. I know Wingfield and have had him on my cabinet. I learn to trust certain people. I don't agree with everything that Wing stands for or how Wing works with people, but as far as being a patriot to whichever chosen country he is in, I have no doubt. X2
I never saw this 😛 And also if everyone knows me on IRC I always joke around so that was no official interview or questionair!