Citizenship: A Simple Plan?
Buck Roger
I don't think this has to be terribly complicated or agonizing a decision. I agree with the many who have said that it is good to have volunteers reviewing the citizen applications and applying some transparent decision-making, with the congress members just hitting the button when they are assigned a request to approve. I hope we can settle on a way to do this soon.
The main concerns I have heard expressed include making sure that native Greeks (e.g., those who had been born in annexed Greek regions, although that is a shrinking group; or those who temporarily go to help anti-PTO, etc.) have priority and that those without allegiance to Greece do not get in and elect "PTO" candidates who can invite more, in a growing cancer. On the other side of the discussion, I myself have expressed a concern that people moving to Greece on a permanent basis will become disaffected if they are permanently denied a participation in Greek political life, with a result of moving elsewhere (or quitting the game) when they could help strengthen Greece economically, militarily, and indeed culturally (I know I value the friendship of many foreign born within eGreece, anyway).
Here is the "simple plan":
Choose volunteers to identify and collect data on applicants (kind of optional, but reduces the burden on the second group). Then they forward the data to a group of 3 or more people selected by the President to agree that the applicant is:
(1) a native Greek, i.e., someone who has been a rightful eGreek citizen or who should have been one at birth
(2) an allied citizen, i.e., one from the allies of eGreece, such as EDEN members and the USA (referring to origin by region of birth more than to prior citizenship, if that origin is evident)
(3) a citizen from a neutral country (again, by birth) or a low-ranking citizen from a hostile country (or anyone of low level who isn't in the next group), e.g., a level 12 from eJapan would be the latter
(4) a citizen from a hostile country that has higher military rank or some political clout, or anyone who is most likely a subversive; e.g., a level 18 from any hostile country
The result:
(1) on identification, approval
(2) a waiting period of 35 days from time of arrival in eGreece
(3) a waiting period of 70 days from time of arrival in eGreece
(4) not an option
The second and third would deny them one or two election cycles while residing in eGreece and would be the most fair method of establishing allegiance and contribution to the country that I can come up with. The first and fourth also seem straightforward.
Thank you for your comments and consideration. I am looking for public support or suggestions for improvement in a plan before trying to build a consensus within congress.
Comments
españaxxx
voted
less waiting days but I agree mostly.
I think the day wait should be waived if they are either
A) in the Greek army
😎 or have approval from a high ranking friend in the Greek government
Buck, a great foundation for a plan. These are good laying blocks for a lot of little changes to make a final plan.
Good work, good ideas, I have been pushing for this for a while, a lot of the same stuff, and overall good job.
things to add or think about....
a) it should be limited to a certain percentage of the actual allowable citizenships congress can grant each month. Our population isnt as big as it says on the society page.
b) figure out a way to guard from political parties taking advantage of it just for votes, it hasnt happened yet but it is always a possibility
c) i had another one but i forgot!
also buck if you can post this in the congress section
Great ideas! I agree with Moot and Weasle, though.
I agree with Moot too. If the President wants someone to be a citizen, I also think they can get the "express track" entry.
Haralambos, there is a reason I suggest a simple plan. Trying to add a bunch of extra stipulations may be self-defeating. Making it easily comprehensible and easy to know that it's being done right (and easy to do!) will let us just do it.
i just dont like the fact that congress could add 300 voters this month when there was only 1000 voters the last election.
Why are more voters a bad thing when they are coming from allied to neutral markets?
That's not even a concern right now, Haralambos.
There are about 70 applications to screen now that are from Aug 23 or before and another 108 from the last 35 days. Obviously, that's the upper bound, as not all of them will get accepted.
I'd like to see congress be able to do anything in unison anyway. 🙂
voted. We need a plan. Approving without plan is dangerous. Not approving at all is not the best plan.
People who want egreek citizenship should write, in their applications, more about themselfs and what they have done. The 99% of the applications are two lines jokes.
o typos exei pathei psyxosh me to na paroume osoi perissoteroi mporoune citizenship, mpas kai thelei na paei gia proedros?
Δεν νομίζω ότι είναι αυτό που λες, ο τύπος απλά καταλαβαίνει ότι πάμε για συρρίκνωση τής οικονομίας και αυτό δεν θα είναι καθόλου ευχάριστο για την eGreece. Είσοδος παικτών υψηλού επιπέδου θα είναι ευεργετική για την οικονομία. Αν οι παίκτες έρχονται και φεύγουν τότε αυτό έχει άσχημες συνέπειες. Πρέπει να μένουν όσο γίνεται περισσότεροι και δεν θα μείνει κάποιος για πολύ αν δεν έχει πολιτικά δικαιώματα. Τώρα είναι αλήθεια ότι πρέπει να ήμαστε προσεκτικοί σε ποιους και πόσους χορηγούνται πολιτικά δικαιώματα. Για αυτό είναι αναγκαία μια σοβαρή μεταναστευτική πολιτική.
Voted... I reading your plan in the Forum... Really good but (2) is too long...20-25 Would be a good number for allies!
Voted... I read your plan in the Forum... Really good but (2) is too long...20-25 Would be a good number for allies!
GreekHistoryX, it is impossible to say that they should write something more serious in their applications because the game website does not prompt them with anything in particular to say. Without offering a prompt or an example to follow, they cannot be reasonably expected to do anything in particular. Unless you want to assign people the messy project of requesting and evaluating text responses... I believe the simpler method of depending on a length of residency is both more objective and easier to execute.
Tr3loS, the specific reason for 35 days is that it requires the applicant to miss all 3 election types upon arriving in eGreece (Congress, President, and PP) before being able to vote. I think that helps to establish that the person is willing to be inconvenienced somewhat in order to become an eGreek, more than if they had just voted in the previous election while living in another country. It also helps reduce the number of people "just passing through" (who reflexively requested it upon landing in their airplane) getting citizenship.
I will, as Haralambos suggested, post this in Congress for Debate.