Addendum to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs report
Dio Maximus
UPDATE: There is a apparently google translated version of the MoFA report, so feel free to use it. However I do not know who controls the doc or who made it, so I cannot verify it's contents. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iqu838LP1p3T2lPy7A4PU6VgzRgiNwgAs2bOk59CEqg/edit
I've written that report to further explain the problematics between the Hungary-Romania issiue and NAP problem that happened in the last week, but unfortunately for me some scum from the opposite side are trying to distort the facts and present it in a way solely beneficial to the interest of Poland and their little puppets.
The text is in Cyrillic because it's an official government article (we use cyrrilic for gov articles) and was intended as a detailed report to the Serbian people about the situation regarding our allies Hungary and the Asteria alliance as a whole. The article is consisting out of pictures because I saw Atracurium's government articles and thought they were extremely cool, so I wanted to do something similar. There was no malice intended, as some FYROMians and trolls attempted to present it. I'm completely open to giving any Hungarian with the knowledge of Serbian the article to translate it.
Several issues were raised. I've been accused of accusing (interesting play of words) Hungary that it was all their fault. It wasn't. I've already stated it countless times, and it can be read in Hungarian's goverment articles as well (which are publicly available and in English) that Serbia, Romania and Greece admitted and agreed that the unfortunate NAP between the aforementioned parties and Bulgaria was a mistake and that it should not have happened.
I will cite myself on the issue: ''Нама су у интересу добри односи између ове две земље, јер би се сваки озбиљнији потрес одразио и на Србију јер је и наша заједница пријатељски одређена према ове две земље, те би било какав наметнути избор између њих, довео до потреса и фрактурисања наше, већ подељене заједнице.''
Translation: ''It's in our best interest, good relations between these two countries [Hungary and Romania] because every serious tremor/fracture would cause problems for Serbia as well [internally] because our community is friendly and sympathethic towards these two nations, and every imposed choice between these two countries would cause serious problems to our [Serbian] already fractured and divided community.''
I can't really bother to translate everything, but if there's someone else willing to do it, feel free to do so. Serbia has nothing to hide in that report. Continuing through the article, I wrote about the first NAP that was signed on the initiative of Hungary in february. It was basically the same text, with the major difference of Hungary being included in the NAP, unlike the most recent one. I explained why the first NAP was signed and added comments about why I thought it was beneficial for our side as well, as it freed Romania for offensive actions instead of keeping the Bulgarian RW's down, and also protecting the ''back'' of Serbia and Greece from possible Bulgarian while they were fighting elsewhere.
After that I talk about the initiative of Hungarian goverment in February that was essentially behind the first idea of a NAP between these Asteria countries and Bulgaria. On the first meeting on teamspeak, Hungarian representatives talked about their ongoing discussions with Bulgarian representatives and their initiative to secure congress for Bulgaria. Unfortunately I forgot to mention that it wasn't only HU representatives that were talking about the possibility of Bulgaria attacking Turkey, and I'm not sure from whom that initiative came at first, but I know for sure that Hungarian representatives were involved and had disscussions with Bulgaria and that Ektonosiakos, then SG talked about the possibility of getting Bulgaria to attack Turkey in exchange for some future benefits. Here's some logs to prove my point, unfortunately when these talks were happening they weren't the topic of discussion (I've been trying to get the NE on Hungary voted down) and I didn't get precise, but the pattern is clear.
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Before this conversation told that the talks were going somewhere, that there were difficulties but that there was some issues that were needed to be adressed first. Which ones, I do not know.
Unfortunately I wasn't involved in those talks directly, and details I know about them are scarce, all I know was what I heard and what was told to me. if someone else who was involved could shed some light more precisely it would be good.
After that I go on to explain how that unfortunate NAP was signed at the first place. It was fail of epic proportions by us, Romania and Greece, not because Laurh was present(but afk) and even then it was signed but because from what I know Bulgaria insisted that Hungary should be excluded from the agreement. It crossed no one's mind that there was a pretty obvious reason for that request. Unfortunately I wasn't present when that took place, and honestly I haven't shown any particular interest in that NAP simply because I wasn't aware of the quick alterations that were made to it, and also because it involves a whole lot of bureaucracy and that's why I generally tend to dislike these kinds of agreements. The NAP was rushed and stupid, it was our fault as well that it was signed.
After that I go on to talk about the events that transpired in the morning the next day. I was completely unaware of the shitstorm that was going to happen and unaware that any NAP was signed. When I went to sleep the most serious problem for us was should we raise a tactical RW in 2:35 or 8 in the morning.
I got a bunch of messages about what was happening and something along the lines ''Hungarians are angry'', but even with those 3 NE's on Hungary and the shitstorm that happened, karaj was pretty calm about it on the alliance IRC room, and I honestly couldn't see the incoming ultimatum to Romania from that talk. Contingency plans were even at that point in the process of making to completely stop and save Hungary from deletion. After a while 3 goverment articles in Hungary were issued regarding the ultimatum and I must say I was not expecting that kind of reaction at all. Personally I always think that everything can be worked out with proper communication. For me it was a rushed decision, just like our stupid NAP was a rushed and bad decision. The ultimatum closed doors for a lot of solutions we might have come up, and closed the doors for solutions Serbia presented later that evening, which was also mentioned in the official Hungarian government articles. For those who don't know, Serbia offered to break the NAP and to NE Bulgaria as soon as we could.
Hungary was facing three NE's, and without doubt Poland, Chile and Bulgaria were in fact working together. Bulgaria being a little more oportunistic then Chile and Poland but still trying to get a piece of the Ukraine for themselves. As you might have seen, they already made an agreement with Ukraine about the bonuses.
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However, all that is behind us right now. Agreements were made and there is progress, as you all can see Hungary stopped the Polish invaders at the gates of Budapest, and everyone with hard work saved Hungary from the wipe that was probably intended for at the first place Serbia. As i explained in the article, it was done with extensive efforts of Colonel Bruce, president of Slovenia. He holds both interests of Serbia, Hungary and all countries of Asteria at heart. Probably the best person to protect us from ourselves. All agreements were done with his aid. I cannot express how important it was for us to have him on board.
Serbia and Hungary share a history which cannot be easily broken. Serbia holds best interests of Hungary at heart. I've been playing this game since Маy 28, 2009 and my first beginings were in Hungary and Indonesia, because Serbia was under a Croatian PTO aimed at killing new players, so our gov sent us to friendly countires to get stronger and to keep us alive. Hungary with the help of PEACE tanks saved Serbia and liberated it back in those earliest days. My first memories of this game are interwined with eHungary. Every time when i was MoFA or MoD the first contacts that were established were Hungarian ones. I know many from the oposite side like to make fun of our friendship, trolling effortlesly and generally being huge cu+ts. Just don't be fooled by it, both Serbia and Hungary. This war is also a propaganda war. For instance, i've seen malicious comments in Serbian media, from trolls who know Serbian (half of balkans does actually) that Hungary is making deals with the oposite side, but in Hungary, these comments (from the same people lol) tell that Serbia has betrayed Hungary.
Serbia will be there for Hungary always. I've already told Nalaja once, that Serbian population has great respect and feeling of brotherhood for Hungary. Nothing can change that. Serbia and Hungary are one thing in this game. It cannot be broken so easily.
Now we should focus on protecting our third bro Slovenia, at all cost.
Your's truly,
one Serb who watched the HUN ELIT tank back in the days and aspired to be a great tank as they were
PS: best croatian strategists at their finest
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Od IV do X mesta 200 RSD
Dnevno sledovanje 60RSD
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bla bla bla not ever read it...servian junk, as an always , first you gonna mess it up, then you'll accuse the others.... then Chile will screw you for good morning...NATO is the solution for you +
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The conclusion of all this mess is that Sirius is pushing much more pressure with trolling and bad propaganda atempts, cause they know they cant deal with us on the battlefield without Aurora. They are doing it last few months, trying to make relations between our countries worse. Unfortunately for them, people can see how lame all that actually is...
Hail SerHun!
Hail Asteria! 🙂
Hail SerHun!
Hail Asteria!
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SerHun forever o7
Нисам читао цео чланак ..
Костернира ме чињеница да бугарин и босанац причају на енглеском ..
SERBIA - Reports of the MoFA about Hungary
English / Hungary version
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iqu838LP1p3T2lPy7A4PU6VgzRgiNwgAs2bOk59CEqg/edit?pli=1
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Lepo sa Moldavijom uci u Sofiju i onda mogu da pocnu razgovori. Sve ostalo je totalno nebitno
Tenskwatawa - Serbian CP:
http://prntscr.com/32qdn4
Translation of the marked area: "The Hungarians have sabotaged every alliance plan since the begining of my presidential term."
http://prntscr.com/32qelf
Translation of the marked area: "The Hungarians have been totaly unorganized for the past month and a half and they are acting like they are not a part of this alliance"
Igajunior - Party President of NSS (one of major parties that helped elect our current government):
http://prntscr.com/32qe3g
Translation: "This is not the first time Hungarian government has been unorganized and uninterested"
TT Lighter - eSerbian Prime Minister (also ex MOFA and a part of current MOFA team and the man who gave name to Asteria):
*Functions are only suspected because our current CP and government never released the names of people that are a part of the government so the only official names we have are the ones found here http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/politics/Serbia
http://prntscr.com/32qfzg
*taken from his article released 6 days ago - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-2383295/1/20
Translation : "I hope its much clearer now that Hungarian officials have jumped to an alliance that they didnt want, not because they where taking preassure from us like some have beleived. If it was up to us there would be no alliance yet, unless all problems are solved, but there would be co-operation and mutual respect between the countries which is much more important than the name, logo and the statute."
Is it possible to say the eSerbian position on this matter is that eHungary is to blame for all of this (since they didnt want to be a part of the alliance in the first place) ?
Dio Maximus - eSerbian MOFA:
"Several issues were raised. I've been accused of accusing (interesting play of words) Hungary that it was all their fault. It wasn't. I've already stated it countless times, and it can be read in Hungarian's goverment articles as well (which are publicly available and in English) that Serbia, Romania and Greece admitted and agreed that the unfortunate NAP between the aforementioned parties and Bulgaria was a mistake and that it should not have happened."
Now either you are telling one story to eHungarians, other to eRomanians and eGreeks and third story to people in eSerbia or you are just a pathetic bunch of fools that found themselves on the head of (still) the strongest country in the eWorld.
Pathetic..
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takodje uz moju izjavu koju si citirao
''- Romania, Serbia and Greece admitted that the NAP with Bulgaria was against the Charter of Alliance;''
http://www.erepublik.com/sr/article/-voeh-asteria-2383087/1/20
Also as someone who knows absolutely nothing about anything relevant here and trying to troll for political gain and access to the state treasury, you're probably the last person who is relevant for commenting here.
Tenskwatawa talked about the defense plans which were rejected multiple times even before the NAP was signed. And not about the situation after the NAP.
TT lighter wrote about the disorganization of the goverment because paprika.janzsi was absent for at least 10 days and he was vMoFA and deputy of HMR of the alliance, we haven't heard from him until now.
Karaj was also absent for 2-3 days when all this took place and discussions were had to be held with Laurh whose english isn't very good. Until Hercul Poirot (Bboth) was placed as vMoFA and Karaj returned ther weren't any fruitfull discussions. Lighter was aiming at that.
Igajunior is completely irrelevant in this case as he wasn't involved in any disscussion and he was talking from his personal point of view. He's not a government official in this term, so stop trying to present it as you see fit for your retarded political goals.
''and it can be read in Hungarian's goverment articles as well (which are publicly available and in English) that Serbia, Romania and Greece admitted and agreed that the unfortunate NAP between the aforementioned parties and Bulgaria was a mistake and that it should not have happened.''
This is publicly available in Hungarian state press. ''- Romania, Serbia and Greece admitted that the NAP with Bulgaria was against the Charter of Alliance;''
http://www.erepublik.com/sr/article/-voeh-asteria-2383087/1/20
Let me tell you how it seems from my perspective esteemed sheeplover Backo. Your party is openly known as a Poland loving one, and you in January let Slovenia down the drain to punish them for moving against your masters Prophet and against Spain, who have worked for months to isolate Serbia and eventually delete it.
Ovo si vjerovatno pisao radi očuvanja dobrih odnosa sa Mađarskom?
Ne radi se o tome sto je pisao nego zato sto je namerno iskrivio stvarnost, izdvojio delove koji iskljucivo njemu odgovaraju i prezentovao ih opet na nacin na koji iskljucivo njemu odgovara a ne istini, sto bi sve nas trebalo da interesuje ali ne.
obviously you miss licking Polish shoes... anyway, acts tell more than your trolling. Hungary was defended from Poland with efforts of whole alliance
brt, ti si klasični izdajnik.... nije ni čudo da si u stranci koja je dovela hanibala na vlast 🙂
Pobrkao si nesto.. Ovo nisu moje izjave vec sam samo citirao CePea , premijera i lidera NSS (ex MES i covek koji je pomogao ovima da dodju na vlast) kao i MOFE (izjavu koju je sam dao u clanku).
Dakle ja sam samo preneo sta su rekli (a sami su vise puta isticali da nista ne kriju i da sve vreme govore istinu).
U cemu je onda problem i zasto sam ja izdajnik?
Ja deo vlade nisam vec sam u ovom slucaju obican gradjanin..
A ako meni vlada kaze da ne krije nista od Madjara i da ne lazu vec da samo govore istinu, zasto je onda problem da ja skupim njihove izjave koje su davali po kruznim porukama i clancima i da ih objavim u jednom komentaru (uz prevod kako se ljudi ne bi mucili sa google translate).
Da je vlada rekla da su zabrljali + da lazu madjare + da lazu javnost u Srbiji i da niko slucajno ne citira ono sto oni pricaju kako ih madjari ne bi provalili onda ja ovo ne bih ni uradio.. Ali posto su rekli kako su sve vreme cisti i iskreni i nista ne kriju i stoje iza onog sto govore i rade..
ne, baćko ti si pobrkao.
iznošenje poverljivih podataka u javnost je izdaja.
da si čovek ne bi pokušavo rušiti vlastitu državu jer se ne slažeš sa trenutnom vlasti. vidiš, ja ne podnosim eboraniju, ali svejedno nisam udarao protiv svoje edržave dok je on bio cp.
jbga, predpostavljam da daleko bolji čovek od tebe 🙂
Poverljivi podaci?
nema ni govora..
Podaci su iz javno objavljenih clanaka i iz rasprave koja je bila dostupna predstavnicima svih stranaka u jednoj kruznoj poruci.
Nikad nigde nije receno da su doticni podaci tajni.. Stavise jedina situacija kad su se spominjali tajni podaci je bila na kanalu pre neki dan kad nam je CP rekao da ne moze da nam da nikakve podatke jer su tajni.
Dakle vlada i CP nikad nisu davali tajne podatke u javnost..
Kad bi podatke izneo clan pozicije pa i da ga kritikujete..
Ja samo iznosim ono sto su predamnom rekli i to uzmi u obzir da su vise puta naglasili kako NE LAZU i kako su sve vreme isto pricali i NAMA i MADJARIMA i NA SAVEZU.
Zasto je onda problem kad ja to sto su nama pricali na srpskom prevedem na engleski ?
Brate, u čmaru balavog Poljaka Propheta nema više mesta za vas.
Hey I didnt put my statement here i just quote yours.
Tenskwatawa - Serbian CP:
http://prntscr.com/32qdn4
Translation of the marked area: "The Hungarians have sabotaged every alliance plan since the begining of my presidential term."
http://prntscr.com/32qelf
Translation of the marked area: "The Hungarians have been totaly unorganized for the past month and a half and they are acting like they are not a part of this alliance"
Igajunior - Party President of NSS (one of major parties that helped elect our current government):
http://prntscr.com/32qe3g
Translation: "This is not the first time Hungarian government has been unorganized and uninterested"
TT Lighter - eSerbian Prime Minister (also ex MOFA and a part of current MOFA team and the man who gave name to Asteria):
*Functions are only suspected because our current CP and government never released the names of people that are a part of the government so the only official names we have are the ones found here http://www.erepublik.com/en/country/politics/Serbia
http://prntscr.com/32qfzg
*taken from his article released 6 days ago - http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-2383295/1/20
Translation : "I hope its much clearer now that Hungarian officials have jumped to an alliance that they didnt want, not because they where taking preassure from us like some have beleived. If it was up to us there would be no alliance yet, unless all problems are solved, but there would be co-operation and mutual respect between the countries which is much more important than the name, logo and the statute."
CP and Prime Minister and leader of party that supports the current establishment (also ex minister of economy xD)..
All have to say that Hungaria is : Uninterested, unorganized (not or the first time), working against alliance (past month and a half).
You are either telling lies to Hungarians or to people in Serbia..
Not my fault you did this.. These are not my statements but yours.
Decko je debilcina par ekselens. Ne radi se o tome sto si ti citirao, vec zato sto izvlacis te citate iz konteksta i tumacih ih kako tebi odgovara.
Ovo sto pokusavas da postignes je sramotno retardirano i niko ali apsolutno niko iz tvoje koalicije nije pokazao ovu dozu debilstva. Hamster ne podjebava, Hostilijan ne podjebava, stavise ni Strajder se ne javlja jer svi znaju da nam je u interesu da se situacija smiri i da se normalizuju odnosi izmedju Madjarske i Rumunije. Time sto kreiras totalno nerealnu sliku o odnosima izmedju Srbije i Madjarske i prezentujes to kao neku ''izdaju'' ne moze nikome od nas nista dobro da donese, osim tebi materijal da trolujes pred izbore.
Nimalo nisam pogresio kad sam rekao da ste ti i USOS dve strane istog novcica.
Pri tom kad kazem nama, ne mislim na sebe, UES, SS ili ne znam ni ja koga, vec NAMA u kontekstu cele SRPSKE ZAJEDNICE, DRZAVE SRBIJE.
Ali to je tebi nepoznat pojam jer si trenirani chipmunk.
A znaci trolovanje rame uz rame sa hrvatima i siptarima je bilo u interesu CELE SRPSKE ZAJEDNICE ?
Udaranje za Filipine protiv Srbije na Kosovu je bilo u interesu CELE SRPSKE ZAJEDNICE ?
Vise puta je CePe i vlada isticala kako nemaju tajni sa Madjarima i kako sve sto govore nama govore i njima.
Nema frke..
gde je frka onda?
P.S.
Sto se tice konteksta davao sam slike celih poruka a preveo kljucne delove. Hoces da prevedem cele poruke ili se zapravo slazes da to ne menja sustinu?
oooo Srecko poceli smo da se vredjamo. xD
Oterali ste Madjarsku i sad drugi krivi?!
Sad bi ih hteli nazad zbog DMG.
Posle je*anja nema kajanja. Bar je dobro sto mogu cepati CO 30-50cc protiv njih jer nisu vise saveznici. xD
Šta radiš ti, šta pokušavaš? 🙂
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Si siguran da zelis da ti prevedem celu poruku?
Ajde onda..
Ok Igajunior is angry cause I didnt translate his entire message and now you will get the entire translation:
"his is not the first time Hungarian government has been unorganized and uninterested. During Hari's term (TT Lighter presidency) they had some rw's where we were helping them and they felt relaxed and went to sleep and gave us the dick and left us the job of closing them (the rw's) like they dont even care...
Again, last month they didnt want to bring Poland down, because they have a NAP with them, and now the same NAP doesnt apply for Poland...
They were not ready to MPP Romania although romanians where willing to propose and sign a long time ago..
And in a lot of other previous situations, concerning RO-HUN relations, i made the impression that the Huns where guilty in 99% of the cases and that they are not interested at all to repair the relations with romanians...
Regarding the NAP, its an oversight that was an oversight that we didnt extend the old one that had Huns in it.. although reactions and moves the Huns made after indicate that it probably wasnt eve possible and that the whole thing was just an excuse, an excuse that we shouldnt have gave them..
I am reading Huns MOFA article now. they say like the NAP is not according to the charts, and the NAP they had with Polacs until yesterday was.. Like hell..
Or you just make a public ultimatum knowing it can never get accepted..
Get out of here, when I look back, I remember their government and trol CP from January, I really dont know how they are a serious country.."
There.. I hope this clears things up.
Evo Igo nadam se da je ovo razjasnilo stvari.
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* "This is not the first time Hungarian government has been.. "
I just missed a T.
Kl0s4ru 60vnjivi, moj clanak ne treba da prevodis na engleski jer je vec preveden na madjarski u celini.
Translate all conversation, because they have reason for your stupid conversation 🙂
@TT Lighter aka Hari
Ako je vec preveden na Madjarski onda zaista ne vidim zasto me vredjas i zasto se ljutis?
Eto sad imas i deo preveden na engleski..
Oprem o/
Ne treba da prevedeš i deo gde se pominje januar, Strider, logovi i svoj deo konverzacije...Onda će ljudima biti jasno koji su razlozi tvog postovanja, i da vas ustvari zabole dupe za ijednog saveznika, već vas brine samo povratak na vlast...
P.S>
Serbian CP and government official clearly stated several times that they DONT KEEP ANY SECRETS and that they WHERE TELLING THE SAME STORY TO BOTH eSERBIAN PEOPLE AND ALLIES and that HEY NEVER TELL LIES.
All of this messages and articles i quoted wherent secret in any way and it was never asked of me or any1 else from eSerbian opposition to keep this a secret from any1 else.
All I did was just translate things they told in Serbian..
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Nemam ja pojma ko si ti. Ti nisi onaj čovjek sa kojim sam ja postao prijatelj. U momentu kada se spašavaju iskreni prijateljski odnosi ti se baviš uskostranačkim interesima i činiš sve da do pomirenja ne dođe. Čak i da je sve to što si naveo čista istina i da nije izvučeno iz konteksta, ljudi se moraju zapitati KO SI TI?! Zar nemaš ni trunčicu pristojnosti?! Radi usrane stranke prodaješ državu?! Ejjj, radi stranke! Srušiću sve jer hoću ja da budem kralj! Kralj zgarišta ali ipak kralj! Eee moja Srbijo, uz ovakvu djecu neprijatelji ti ne trebaju.
haha pa zapitajte se kako ste dospeli tu gde jeste..
Manipulacijama, lazima, izvrtanjem istine i raznoraznim podmetacinama.
Mesecima ste se drzali podruku sa hrvatskim i albanskim trolovima i najcrnje napadali drzavu i vladu a narocito u drzavnim novinama (podseticu te da su ovo ipak privatne novine).. Trolovali ste sve zivo.. Cak ste napade preneli i na ojno polje..
Ako cemo da pricamo o takvoj igri ja sam uvek za jer imam kamaru argumenata vise..
btw pomenute logove Stridera ste vec toliko eksploatisali (ne znam jedino da li ste ih jos na kineski preveli) da ne verujem da postoji diplomata koji ih nije procitao..
@Dimitrij
Ko se maca lati od maca i gine..
Pitao sam gomilu puta u kruznoj poruci sa CePeom da li su nesto lagali i petljali nas ili Madjare i niko me nije udostojio odgovora (a oni koji jesu su odgovarali da vlada ne laze).
Da su u bilo kom momentu priznali da su muljali nikad ovo ne bih izneo u javnost.. Ali posto su me ubedjivali (a ubedjuju i dalje samo izgleda sami sebe) da su bezgresni u ovoj situaciji onda sam resio da to stavim na test..
Evo pogledaj Igino prozivanje.. Jao jao izvadio si citat iz konteksta.. Kad sam preveo celu poruku sta onda??
Jos gore..
Eto takvi su to ljudi..
Zasto da drzimo sve zive u zabludi
Bilo nas bilo madjare..?
Nece Madjarski narod da zameri.. znaju oni i sami kako je to imati u jednom momentu losu vladu..
Izdrži brt...molimo se za tebe.
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Hail SerHun!
Hail Asteria!
\o/
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http://prntscr.com/32qux5
ama brt....
đe se šalju oni koji umisle da su neki cezari, napoleoni, imperatori, bogovi 🙂
Upravo tako : )
Hail SerHun!
Hail Asteria!
\o/
Sve sto se moze zakljuciti jeste da ovom Backu trebaju pilule za lilule 😃
Auuu, ovaj ovan je dostigao potpuno nov nivo retardiranosti... malo ljudi u celoj igri je sposobno za ovakvo nešto