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Valid, apart from the fact that one of the people involved in the alleged PTO was made CP in the last PTO here.

But then, I'm sure that was legitimate. If only we'd just voted for the honest people eh?

yep check the record of our last pto, It was clearly talk like this made by infin and his cohorts that opened the door that damn near destroyed the nation.

4. Why don't we just send the Indo Government all of our funds to save time?

yes the do have rights to appeal. of course they do. usually they wont because they are trying to destroy eAus.

just that food for thought.

food for thought. http://www.erepublik.com/en/elections/country-49-election-president-0-date-2010-07-region-0

Nothing wrong with Larni's memory.

then out multi him you idiot


So he wants us to get pto'd and then resort to cheating to win the country back instead of being unified....

Totally bloody useless.

I haven't seen any "ATO" activity anyway besides some alerts in a few places to be ready just in case. I think this is a case of scare journalism.

There are 3 questionable people, same as last time Infin and cohorts idiocy opened the door.

Starts with 2 people and then adds up each month until we're under pto again.

Obviously after the last PTO we're going after a safety first scenario... besides one of the people nominated was actually elected CP during the PTO....

Obviously he's an innocent though....

then out multi him you idiot

Interesting thing, Infin said that ': democracy is the ultimate prize
: so if it is subverted
: then we have lost beforte even starting"

My question to you dear infin; if we 'out multi them' has not democracy been subverted?

I mean honsetly, you want subversion of democracy look no further than a PTO.

the political module is broken and you suggest an ATO. If a PTO is on you will be fighting hundreds of multi votes. HRNG.

so we should "give up" but be able to hold our heads high and say we at least had "democracy"? One would think the monumental failure of the last time we tried this particular virtuousness would convince most people that the practicality of resistance is the preferred option.

But alas, we are merely human and doomed to continue to endlessly repeat the same mistakes.

I can't resist mentioning that the ANP has a voting squad so they can bump up flagging candidates. Democratic? No. Pragmatic and realistic, yes. Everyone does it but its a subversion of "true" democracy.

may i also say that ANP has on more than one occasion had votes removed from their party because of multi accounts. Democratic? NO

So did H Nelson Tim_Holtz are you implying everyone who had votes removed is a cheat? That is sickening. Candidates have no control over who votes for them.

so putting words in my mouth? good one. your a true champion

what im saying that there are those in the ANP (as with all parties) who have multi accounted to get themselves in senate. which is undemocratic infin. im sure i dont have to tell you that

Infin - All I said was to hold votes just in case.

The dude was elected CP during Angel Demon PTO.

Him being a member of congress is definitely not something we want, if we can help it.

Grow up and stop attacking me for trying to save the country (again).

I thought you would have learnt from what happened last time you did that when the Indos were PTOing us.

Timeoin you only act for the lulz and attention. And you make out like your invaluable ATO work actually affects the outcome of the game in the face of hundreds of Indo multis. Stop kidding yourself and annoying us with your paranoia every month: OMG another ATO is coming!!1

When the Multinesian tsunami comes again, you can trust me when I say nothing the ATO cubbyhouse crew comes up with will stop them. They will ream us good if it so interests them.

rofl infin

Well I think Timeoin is usually worth listening to (except for the time when he & Dr Dry got too involved with other)
He makes a lot of sense. I think you should listen to him infin

Louise - Infin will not listen to reason. He did not listen to reason last year, and unfortunately for eAustralia, several others listened to him. We lost the country as a result.

Who is charge of the Australian ATO?
Hinokai, who has been for years.

Why are they in charge?
Because they actually made the effort

How were they elected?
They weren't, while the ANP where on riding "Democratic" line, Hinokai created the group in order to help resist the indo horde, or have you forgotten that infin?

What gives an ATO any right at all to do anything?

You don't have to listen, but if you had a brain you would.

What if someone is improperly designated a PTOer? Do they have any rights of appeal?

They talk to Hinokai, not exactly a hard process.

Does the ATO effort actually know anything or is it just another fancy titled group?

Seeing as you are a "member", would you mind telling?

1. I currently have a very sore throat C/- a bad case of tonsillitis. Every time the AI camp snigger "Infin and his cohorts" yet rebuff the sheer hypocrisy of it all it makes me choke. Please refrain.

2. Timeoin and I have just moved up from #13 and #12 position respectively in the Senate recount to #12 and #11. Our votes haven't changed and not suggesting anything untoward on either part, just making a reference. Mark Brennan and Savonrepus' vote hasn't been touched either. Interestingly, the non-ANP candidates ahead of us must have in order for the shift to have occurred.

LOL .. yes .. the ANP multies, right? Not on the top of this ballot.

3. The infamous Chinese proverb says, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" (not to be confused with the George W. Bush mish-mash).

Amazingly every time a major point of contention or - what's the less diplomatic way of putting it? - oh yes, that's right - national drama occurs, Hinokai's name seems to make it front and centre in almost every scenario. For real, is there anything of significantly controversial substance this guy hasn't had a hand in?

i will always remeber infin as the bmxer

Callumh - point of contention: I actually created the ATO group 😃 I let Hinokai take over because less people were going to complain about it 🙂

Same shit imo

Callumh, if you were around last year you should remember just how painful it was under Angel Demon.

And you think the ATO could have stopped AnD. It's just simply foolish talk. How can a handful of real players stop a malicious multi attack. It's like something scrawled out with crayon on butcher's paper.

We stopped them for several months. We could have stopped them for much longer had we been able to stop more of their senators getting elected. You and the ANP working against the ATO (You guys refused to help until June or July when it was too late), so yeah - we could have helped stop them if we had ALL of Australia working against them, not just the Australians who had Australia's interests at heart.