Moving forward
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Sir Humphrey Appleby
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Good afternoon lads o/,
A week ago some of us touched a bit on why, despite all it’s unsolved shortcomings, we’ve stuck about here on eRep. Reoccuring themes seem to be a distant sense of community married with a general disillusionment. International readers will forgive me if I focus specifically on the eUK here, where this feeling has been rather strangely agitated from the very real threat of it being PTO’d away.
It has prompted lengthy but inconclusive discussions on how to address this collectively as a national community. It has been a long while since this last happened and I’ll touch upon some of the major ideas in a moment. First however, I’d like to give a nod to PN who had the initiative to get it going. If we can regain a bit of focus and gamble on working towards consensus then we can accord ourselves some long overdue national self-respect.
Ultimately we should want to have this sort of team building exercise outside the threat of a PTO too. Our politics have for years been tribally entrenched, and finally having a forum other than mongress to approach issues affecting all of us could see some old services restored. But this will require all of us putting our heads together rather than leaving it to the poor sod who volunteered to be CP for the month.
1 - Protective Dictatorship
I expect a couple of handfuls of us remember the last time we tried this under Mr Woldy. The object then was more to prevent a ‘military take over’ than a political one, but the mechanics work just as well. If we can command more damage than our would be PTOers, then the functions of the state are secured with whoever we’ve arranged.
There would be a question mark over our ability to indefinitely fund the upkeep costs; however we should be fine for a while. I expect some would also dread the necessary meta/guidelines on how the dictatorship would work.
2 - Community Merger
I expect English nationalists will be delighted with Woldy’s idea of merging with another small nation like Ireland. If we take the massive assumption that their community would be willing as a given here, there are many innate benefits and drawbacks. With more citizens, shared damage and slightly more active government the ability to react to PTOs and other threats is enhanced. There are also tangible bonuses to resources and our economy.
There would have to be cultural and political sacrifices in the loss of identity, however framed as a merger. Game mechanics demand one would have to wipe the other, and a meta ‘merge’ to avoid this would effectively be as meaningful as a close alliance.
3 - PTO the PTOers
Whether this would be useful given they can simply create and move to another party is up for a debate, but it sends a message. I expect that there are more natives, particularly half asleep, who could be roused to outnumber the would be PTOers in a straight up brute force election night. This would require a moderate degree of coordination to pull off, though I doubt there could be any avoiding their rise to the top 5 again for mongress.
Thus I expect it would end in a game of silly buggers being played every 15th until one side gives up.
4 - Naturalise the PTOers
For the optimistic among us, open hostility can be peacefully avoided. I expect if a couple of key conditions were met, then the some of the newcomers can be enthusiastically introduced to the rest of the eUK. For me, this would be a stop to citizenship passes unless mongress gives the nod; and a demonstration that they are eager and able to assist the eUK beyond the intention of seizing government.
That Pargali was given the mostly defunct MoE post was a major mistake (though continuing the tradition of lacking fluency in English). Newcomers need to get their hands dirty and work their way up, rather than demanding or PTO’ing a position.
Moving forward - the eUK
Whichever route we take from here, I hope we can at least learn from the process. If we can successfully defend ourselves then it would break several hearts to focus that sense of community into rebuilding itself. I’ve had a couple of ideas that Huey and I will be working on in the almost certain event he’s re-elected tomorrow; one of them getting a national leaderboard up again.
Ultimately however our survival will depend on the ability of everyone left to all try. I have a horrible suspicion that I’ll still be here in a year or so (if this still exists). The traditional divide will have to be crossed for the next round of our history and I honestly look forward to the opportunities that can present, with a little effort.
Cheers gents, sorry about the wall of text o7
Appleby
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o7
anarchy in the uk
One of the best account names in this game.
Ty mate xD
Personally a community merge is the one option that makes the most sense seeing as for years we have been talking about the eUK community dying. The other option is to just go on and on like we have been doing.
Not a merge but a permanent wipe, no thanks
so whats the alternative? I have been back around a month and no wonder people are leaving the game. The community is dead and pretty boring.
What does merge means by game mechanics? Because it is not possible to "suspend" the UK's national institutions so they will be exposed to PTO in any way. Nor is possible to wipe the UK regions permanently since it is not possible to reset determination.
All of the above \o/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiXgOQ9_-RI
Why is it that as soon as there is even a hint of more meta you rise like a vampire at dusk
4....
I send a messg to Pargali to stop bring members for a while untill the congress will decide that we need more members i full support to protect the borders for now, i will wait untill Huey will elected again and the cabinet will decide what should we do with this.
Translation: BP have run out of passes for this term, so we'll wait til the next session of Congress to import even more people to join our party.
I has offer to one of PCP player to join us to the cabinet that will rise up next month and we will have a discuss about this situation if it needs we will continue block the borders
We don't require positions in Cabinet or titles in order to discuss issues. No one does. Not even you guys...
yes but it will be much easier to talk about it on the cabinet with 5-7 ppl and not at the congress which contain 40 ppl, we will see what we can do to make our borders security safe again and we will see what we are going to do with those who will accept ppl without permission from the congress
There is only one thing we need to do. Stop your party from using citizenship passes to recruit foreigners and those that have zero historical connection with the eUK.
You guys created this issue, you can just as easily make it stop. But we all know come next Mongress term, you'll be using ya 10+ passes to recruit again.
ok Wayne 2 things, 1 - my party is W orkers' Rights Party if u didnt saw
2 - i already said, i was ask from Pargali to stop bring members for a while untill Huey will elected again and he and the cabinet will decide BP will respect them decision and work according it.
Just because you have moved parties to avoid the stain that you have been a part in creating does not negate the fact that you and Pargali have been the driving force in all of this.
Pargali has no control over issuing citizenship passes. For all we know, Pargali is just a bumbling idiot, along with you who thought just letting anyone in would be a good idea, and actual organised PTOers have been let in. That's giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Pargali has already stated what his intentions were with issuing passes and it was to gain control of BP.
You cannot trust Appleby. One of the least honourable people here.
You and Woldy are among the biggest fools in the eUK, and your lies know no bounds. You said the same crap when it was me supported by mostly native British people.
Wawa, you might lose a little bit of your power because another party is rising up. It doesn't make it a PTO. Must have went to the Joseph G school of propaganda.
This is about taking away all your power actually; no point negotiating with you Ajay
Why cos you don't like him, that is what a bully does, its my ball you are not playing, you don't own the eUK you don't own this game , you boys are so full up your backsides it's unreal, you know it's a game right, I think many of you have some real issues, some real issues. what do normal people think in the real world say when you tell them what you do here?
When I tell people what I do here they say "That's great, but I still need to know whether you want fries with that?" Then I feel all sad and wish I had a friend to talk to...but if I did I probably wouldn't be playing eRepublik, so I wouldn't be telling them what I do here.
It's funny how things work out, isn't it?
You eat McDonalds? says it all really.
What un-Kingly remarks, how quick you are to deviate from civilised discourse. Tut tut.
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1 or 3.
Control freaks.
I would have thoiught after 10 years of trying to control the EUK you and the so called King would have got bored, try some lego.
What have I got to do with it? (Or do you mean the pretender?)
Moving forward...no, it will be more like moving backward.
It'll be interesting to see for how long you'll be able to keep the dictatorship.
But it's not a PTO at all is it? You two just enjoy throwing threats around at ideas designed to protect the eUK from people who could be coming into do us harm due to the use of CS passes on literally anybody... lol
Maybe you should join the discussion with everyone else. Get talking 😉
He can't, he may give the game away...
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No, it's not a PTO.
Wikipedia:
Political Takeover - Country (coup) - When a highly organized group from a densely populated Country moves into a separate country and gains political power of said country by out numbering other citizens in an election. (In the Country President Elections)
Political Takeover - Party (coup) - When a highly organized group from an opposition Party moves to a Party to gain political power by outnumbering members of the Party in an election. (In the Party President Elections)
As far as I know we didn't install our own CP yet and we didn't take over anyone's political party.
It's more some people's hysteria and paranoia.
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PTO, ATO, MTO, BTO, BLO, BLT, whatever you want to call it.
Party Take Over.
Pargali already admitted to using passes to bring you guys in so he can 'gain control' of BP.
Those who side with him rather than stepping away from him will be treated accordingly.
It is not for the perpetrators to assign descriptions. It is for the observer.
V16, sub900
Can you sub my newspaper please?
i subbed your newspaper, i am an old sub (last i checked, you have 227 subs?)
please sub my newspaper back, and let me know your sub number, thanks.
link:
https://www.erepublik.com/en/main/newspaper/the-fighting-independent-294744/1
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I would like to restate the point that we're currently under the dark cloud of potential PTO - because I see a lot of people doing a rain dance. Hyping up a potential threat, because a group have taken actions that trip our PTO alarm.
This doesn't mean I believe BP under Pargali is faultless, we've had much discussion around the need to raise player numbers in a sustainable fashion that ensures those new comers are fully naturalized along with our other great eUK foreign rl or culturally foreign UK residents. Ignoring the concerns of other congress members has led us to this point.
I suspect that this was largely to establish himself and gain a stronger seat at the table. Now is the time to prove your detractors wrong and not continue to not take a PTO path, even if you're coming the point where you feel you've been talked into it.
My dealings with BP recently (as Speaker) have been productive and several members stand out. Again, we should all be taking care to not push away players with powerful rhetoric such as 'tarring of individuals by association', this only causes distrust and hostility on both sides where it previously didn't exist.
Our CP has been fairly quiet on this issue, likely due to being busy but also being more diplomatically minded. I would like to take this opportunity to speak out on the inappropriate calls that he's made a mistake in appointing MoE to a Pargali. It's a powerful bridge builder and wholly correct course of action to offer a position to a representative of a large contingent. Whatever peoples views on the demographic of BP, they now represent a large portion of out community and as such should be treated with the same respect we would expect ourselves. Lest we forget what we believe makes us unique and is worth defining as distinct form foreigners, our trademark stiff upper lip, application of procedure to save us from becoming reactionary and our politeness to a fault; All things I see being readily surrendered by those overly keen to present themselves as champions of the eUK.
Using citizenship passes 'to establish yourself and gain a stronger seat at the table' is the very definition of a PTO, Michael.
Look at the dates of those being let in. This isn't a natural immigration flow, this is an organised attempt to bring people in. Using all your passes as a party within days to recruit for your party is the definition of a PTO, Michael.
If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it ain't a Swan, bruv!
As for 'tarred by association', we all suffer from that. TUP, by having numerous proud and loud RL Socialists are tarred by the Commie label, us Pirates enjoying a spicy meme or an edgy shitpost are considered Far Right Neo Nazis, UKRP, due to Appleby are the RolePlay meta fags, WRP due to their distinct lack of personality are tarred as the boring party.
What are BP known for? They started life as a Serb PTO party, they harbour King Willy (Ajay, he's no longer denying it) a known PTOer, their pp at the current time is also a known PTO attempter, that has admitted to using his position to 'strengthen his place at the table', it appears to be a party wide policy to recruit via citizenship. So by both 'associations' and 'actions', they are being labeled correctly.
Using titles to appease people is a dangerous slippy slope. You don't get a position in cabinet just because you have the numbers to cause a nuisance. You get them by proving your worth and your ability to the community. Sure, you can lean on your size to influence outcomes. That's politics, but to use the tactics that BP have in order to inflate their numbers in order to start demanding things is a Political Take Over.
BP no doubt have numerous players that would be a great addition to the community. They already have in the form of guys like Rusofil. We don't require players of the ilk like Pargali or King Simba and BP certainly don't deserve to have such players representing them. But until we hear grumblings from BP about the course Pargali and those before him have taken, then it's quite right that we consider them all with the same brush.
This reply is really for the benefit of people not in PCP. The main sticking point for me is that the crime hasn't been committed yet, sure we know the perp, the MO is 2x4 to the back of the head, our guys have seen em at B&Q buying a length of 2x4. But that bit of 2x4 hasn't come into contact with a victim yet. When we act on suspicion, we open the door for people to act against us on suspicion. By all means plan for eventualities, I see the PTO threat and it's wise to not be caught with our pants down. But taking hostile action in lieu of something being done against us is wrong and as phrased, is likely to lead to that very outcome.
Their's a thin line between 'I want to help out, lets bring people in to solve the first part of the problem' and 'oh to hell with these haters, lets burn it all and do it our way'.
I can't imagine Huey would have buckled under a demand for MoE, he's held out on MoFA rightly so. MoE is a great position to give to individuals you're not sure about. There's relatively limited scope for damage caused either through stupidity or malice, however they get a great opportunity to do positive things for the country. Also squandering that opportunity is a great way to see people who aren't looking to contribute positively. If our MoE produces no articles or related initiatives, we know that they have no intention of being an active member of the community.
I'm aware that there's a great deal of grouping of play styles, and that's both natural and largely positive. However, where is strays into hostilities I act as a correcting force, pushing back a growing tide before it get out of control. Part of the Speakers role is to play a dampening role that seeks to maintain the status quo.
The question I would ask Michael is, what would constitute "the crime" that you refer to?
If you've discounted the evidence of a dozen people arriving within a few days on top of those here this month as proof of the crime, then presumably you would discount the same evidence next month and so on?
I'm not going to deny I haven't considered the possibility that this whole PTO thing could be some elaborate ruse, a double bluff to stir up activity within the eUK - but even if that were true I don't see that it would change our position on the evidence available and how we should act.
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