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o·ver·re·act
intr.v. o·ver·re·act·ed, o·ver·re·act·ing, o·ver·re·acts
To react with unnecessary or inappropriate force, emotional display, or violence.


that's what you are doing imo. just wait on what happens in the next days.

Not really.

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Your government has joined the same alliance as Poland, you no longer have a choice now. Poland is the master or when you leave their alliance you will be their enemy again.

A master? You mean an equal? Otherwise the point of alliances would be rather strange.

If it was equal the status would be officially SIRIUS and not PRO-SIRIUS 🙂

Still we're still brothers :3

I believe you kinda, i will research this to the bottom. Recht viert zegen.

it's not like we really have a choice is it?

Okay I'm going to answer you per paragraph maybe per two or three.

1. "I want to know your upmost honest opinion on our current situation with ePoland, who after following procedures, is still keeping us wiped under a motto named 'Its for a mission"

This is right, during the time we had a RW there was a mission which said that you had to win a BH medal for your country, due to this RW lots of Polish people fought for their country to end their mission. That's logical, we just planned the RW wrong.

2. "I personally believe that its a lie As you know with the introduction of homes, the situation of resources changed.

Formerly our region Southern Netherlands offered Cattle, however due to the changes, it now offers wood. Poland occupied Southern Netherlands to get a food resource bonus.
Now eastern netherlands offers cattle"

Eastern Netherlands offers indeed Cattle, which is a food bonus, now if you look at the page of Poland they already have lots of these bonusses so I don't see why they would occupy us for one more.

3. "its due to that that i dont think that our regions per agreement will be returned.
I have simply no faith in that"

You can have no faith, but I think you probably based that on the things that have happened the past 2 days, that's rather short to make such a big conclusion. Wait for a few days.

4. "Poland has also treated us for the past years as resource, puppets and garbage
when something had to be done, it became a demand and it had to be done immediatly
when we did something not to their likings, we get punished.
and when we do something they dont want, its all our fault and never that of poland.

Poland acts like the spoiled brat in class."

My opinion is that you based that on an event that has only happened once in the 9 months we have this treaty, I think you're overreacting over this. We're currently working on improving relations and getting better conditions maybe in our treaty.

5. I want your opinion on poland
do you think the government must make a clear stand on poland?
do you think the agreement is breeched?
do you think the government works accordingly

1. We are already trying to improve our situation, so yes.
2. No it is certainly not, only circumstances "Gooide roet in het eten"
3. I do think the government works accordingly.

6. Now ofcourse government members are excluded from this general opinion gathering, but congress is allowed to share its opinion here too

So the government is not allowed to actually say what their side of the story is? That's rather sad in a democracy, isn't it?

My overall opinion is is that you are overreacting over this, and making conclusions on a very short time.

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1: And so do we, we had to finish said mission too
2: Poland always want more, isnt that clear yet?
3: It are these incidents that make people wonder
4: Its not just this incident. Poland always treated us a nothing, but a simple resource, a puppet, garbage.

1. So? Than there was nothing really wrong with it, right? They got some BH's we got some BH's, nothing really special than.

2. What I've seen in conversations with the CP etc. is that they want to help when needed.

3. That 's okay, nothing really wrong with that.

4. Well when we signed this treaty 9 months ago, that was the case maybe? We were just a tiny little nation compared to them, nowadays there has been changed a lot in our relation, and we're currently working on improving our relation and our situation

Voor jouw is er niets veranderd, maar de polen hebben geen respect, en als ik overdrijf, dan doet Aries dat ook, bij deze, Ik vertrek als hij vertrekt want ik voel me niet thuis in een land dat de kont van polen kust.

2-werf hoera!

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Ach je vind het leuk dat ik ophoepel? Minder tegengeluid zeker he! Wat een toffe CP houding! Dit land verdient jouw niet eens man, als je het echt persoonlijk wilt hebben dan gebeurt dat valeyard.

Can't change anything without getting wiped. Were stuck with this whenever we like it or not.

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I am not enemy of Poland and you had my support by now, but how is it possible that you as Country President cannot command returning of NL regions you are obligated by contract ?
I am witness that this ( http://www.erepublik.com/en/military/battlefield/54769 ) is second supported resistance war by NL government and still Poland fight to win it.

If you have some other plans of returning our regions let us know about it, or if you continue work all as you want and when you want to do it expect that I will try to form opposition to the current mood in NL that our countries are collaborators.

What do you expect from a known liar and traitor as this valeyard? For eNL it seems to late now, as already too many good people have left the country. Good luck to you!

WhenI commented on eNL matters you said people from other countries especially if they're in gov in another countries shouldn't involve themselves in eNL matters. I would suggest you take you own advice 🙂

The truth will always haunt you, you can't stop that. XD

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It's just funny how you told me something but when you're in that situation suddenly it doesn't apply anymore. Staggering your double standards, one set of rules for people you don't like and a complete set of different rules for yourself and people you like.

The big difference is that I'm just an ordinary ex eNLer, living abroad, very simular to Garmr f.e.
You however were a CP of a so-called friendly state, yet you used every opportunity in eNL medai to mingle in our internal affairs., and attack me and my political party.😁
The difference is huge.

Man man, als je zo door blijft gaan staat je foto bij 'wrok' in het woordenboek. Let bygones be bygones.

Niet zolang daar geen excuses voor zijn aanboden.😁 Deze valeyard heeft eNL bedrogen, belogen, en vuil gemaakt in het buitenland. Daarna bleef hij als eBE ambassador eNL beledigen en beschimpen. En zo kan ik nog wel even doorgaan.

Er zijn zat mensen die dat ook over jou en mij zeggen. Mensen met kritiek aan de zijlijn zullen er altijd zijn, zolang je zelf over onzinnigheden heenstapt en kijkt hoe je met eerdere vijanden samen kan werken ben je zelf de winnaar, en niet de mannetjes die kritiek hebben.

I think it's sad that you keep bringing up past grievances, like Garmr said it is better to let bygones be bygones and move on and not keep going on about what happened. You won't let a chance pass to bring up again what happened in the past which is not helping anymore and not helping eNL with keep trying to divide the country.

You keep pointing fingers at me and mention what I have done wrong (in your opinion). I am not going to do the same thing I am just going to say that where two fight there are two people who are have done wrongs in the eyes of the other. I am willing to take responsibility for what I did, and for what I did wrong in your opinion, are you willing to do the same?

Instead of the blaming and fingerpointing we should try and move on and forget about what happened. When we both where CP, you of eNL and I was CP of eBE I offered to act normal and set personal feelings aside an offer you ignored. I have made multiple offered after that to you, your party and others who have felt grieved about what happend to move and and not hold on to the past. Like started this comment I think it is sad that people keep going on about what happened and hold a grudge, it is only hurting the country and dividing the country while we should work together especially in a small country like eNetherlands.

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And now you're just lying again... 😛

" Your (Our) arms are too short to box with a God! "

Sad to see a needed discussion being polluted by accusations, personal affairs, hyperboles and what not. I hope we can resume actual debating, because the matters at hand are serious enough.

The cake, now that is a lie

"government members are excluded from this general opinion gathering"

This is pretty sad by the way. Geert Wilders style politics, keeping people away from proper explanation and just shouting about how devilishly evil the opponent of the day is.

I've been waiting for almost a year for our situation to improve with Poland and instead it looks like it will never change. In fact it has gotten worse recently.

I'm tired of being a slave to Poland. I can't play that game anymore. I also fear that most people in Netherlands have grown complacent in their slavery.

That's all I have to say for now.

I don't think Poland is the problem, we are. We should get a couple of MPP's and attack somebody, anybody, instead our fear of losing and nasty habit of stockpiling gold for PTo'ers is holding us back.

You need regions to be able to attack you know..

We will be getting our regions back soon enough.

I think there's a couple of options we have. Start negotiating with Poland and renew our treaties, become a full member of their alliance or, more extreme, merge with another country. I think taking up guns and fight Poland will never be a long-term solution. Our population is simply too small and, despite several efforts on baby booming, only seems to shrink further. Personally, however, I dont think the situation is currently as bad as say, 1 year ago...

1. We are negotiating with Poland and are very close to a agreement, is a agreement is made it will be posted in congress forum for their approval.

2. Full member of Sirius is I don't think really realistically possible we are too small for that. There are a number of smaller pro Sirius alliances (like for instance ROOT) which we can join.

3. Merging with another countries doesn't really work anymore we used have a union with Belgium but with the current game it will be almost impossible. There will be 24/7 RW's, PP, CP elections will go on even though you're wiped etc.

And yes I agree, we are in a better situation than we were 1 year ago

Negotiate about a agreement? There already was a agreement right? Don't get me wrong I don't dislike Poland or having deals with them, but I wouldn't accept them breaking treaties. Let them pay for all regions tax while they occupied them. Talk with the SIRIUS HQ about sanctions.

tbh, the situation is now worse then a year ago.

lol

Care to give an argument for you statement?

Well, in regards to ePoland, as an ally I’d say there is no substitute, no doubt will get you out of a tight situation. Lets face it they’re a military behemoth, possibly eEurope’s watch dog.

If properly prepared i.e.: strategically and militarily ready. The eNL would have to find a formidable alliance to take on the likes of eSpain, eUK and ePoland. Might not be ideal at the moment.

If there is a signed document then yes there is a breech. By word of mouth I’d say it could go either way. Nonetheless, I don’t think it matters with ePoland.

Does the government have a choice?

My opinion is that it is now very clear that Poland does not see us an ally, but something far lower. Yesterday we lost our second RW, we just didn't have a chance. We need to find ourselves strong allies, that will help us against Poland.

Even if we do, we have regions with resources that they need. Fighting them isn't a long term solution only diplomacy will work